Comments by HonestT (page 12)

I believe it's okay to feel good that you are enjoying your new ATF. But if you spend any significant amount of time or effort crafting your "revenge", then you done yourself a disservice. That time would be better spent enjoying yourself with your new girl. If your revenge came in the spirit of the moment, then more power to you.

Private Dancer on the west side of Columbus, Ohio, back in 2000. Visited on a Friday afternoon with a coworker. $20 cover, no booze. The place was right on the street and I almost got hit by a car walking in. The place is barely bigger than my home's partial basement. There was one stage, 1 "bar" (no liquor license), and NO PRIVATE ROOM. I could by a $30 coke for the girl and get a "free" table side dance. 3 girls were working (2 pigs, 1 crack whore), and the crack whore asked me for a dollar so she could put a song in the juke box. The stage was above eye level if you sat next to it. The girls would gyrate around holding a bar attached to the ceiling. All three girls stage danced naked, but had full bush. WTF? After dancing they would walk around and solicit tips from every guy in the place. I got a lap dance from one of the pigs caused she reminded me of Rickey Lake (it was the year 2000! lol). She totally smashed my nads and hurt my neck. I paid the doorman/bartender and gave her the $30 coke, no tip and left never to return.

I once had a wasted stripper blow chunks over my shoulder behind the chair. She ran for the bathroom immediately after. The good news was that this was near the end of a 2-4-1 LD, so I didn't have to pay. The bad news was the loss of erection and wet shoulder. Left the club.

While perception of what a 9 out of 10 is may vary, I can safely say the quality has gone down overall because there are a ton of new girls dancing these days. Definitely recession related IMHO as most of the new talent is not college aged, but older. Now there are definitely a good amount of hotties, but most only work Thursday-Saturday. And in Columbus, Ohio they gravitate toward basically 3 clubs (out of 12). On the flip side, Quantity has a Quality all it's own. lol

Actually had a similar experience. The old ATF gave incredible mileage for Ohio. Old ATF chose my new ATF for a girl/girl dance, so they were already BFFs. Old ATF breaks her ankle and is out of work for 2 months. So her BFF become my new ATF, and I got even greater mileage. Maybe this was systematic, but when old ATF came back to work, she said her BFF stole all of her customers and I had to choose between the girls. I stuck with the new because the old turned bitter and crazy while she was away. Ended up dropping the new ATF because she wouldn't let the drama between them stop. Both had been suspended for fighting each other, and the new ATF was fired. Jackslash is totally right on. I have gotten the jealousy stares/glares from dancers who are with other customers. What I'm supposed to only spend money on one girl? Even if she's busy? Get real.

I usually get a $50 wrap of singles from the bank and sit right next to the stage. I tip $2 each until I find a dancer I like (or ATF) and start with 2-4-1 LDs.

Shot girls are the easiest to get back to VIP. I just chat them up when they come around, buy 3-4 shots, and get them to do the shots with you. After that I usually ask them and 8 times out of 10 they dance. Regular LD have been turned down a couple of times, but VIP is always a winner. In my experience they dance in the 7-8 range with 10 being the best non-extras dance you could get. YMMV, but they usually have a smaller move set than the average dancer. With bartenders it's harder because there isn't always staff to cover the bar while they are dancing. Plus bartenders are the best at putting up that wall, protecting them from customer advances. Only once have I gotten that sexy bartender to do LDs, and a couple of times I have gotten VIP dances with them. I have never gotten that sexy waitress to dance.

Much of the above has been my experience. I will note two opposite labels that have come from this. The first time I noticed I had any clout at the club was when one of my night shift favorite dancers worked a day shift. I was coming every two-three weeks during the summer, split between shifts. Save 1-2 girls, day shifters were always the same. I always tipped at the stage and got dances from 2-3 girls each visit. One day the night shift girl was there when I walked in for lunch. She greater me after I sat down and said, "Hey great to see you. Did you know that you're the man around here? All the girls talk really highly of you." there may have been some SS in there, but she's one of these dancers that are real straight shooters, so I believe her. The other side: I was with a night shuft ATF and she commented on some PLs at the bar. "Man look at those losers over there. Those guys are here more than I am! And it's not like they're spending much, they just sit there. I'm glad you don't come in all the time like that." I wonder if she would have said the same thing if she was collecti paper from them. Aside from that, DJs and bouncers love when you talk up how great their jobs must be, and tip them. In the same period as above, I stopped havin to pay cover and the DJ always asked me if I wanted him to play my favorite songs. This were great perks, IMHO, even better than having your drink prepares for you. In my experience the waitresses turned over more than the dancers.

Being clean dressing nice is always popular, but I suspect it's the complimentary nature of being laid back and tipping well. Having said that, more than once I have heard this quote from day shift dancers: "What flavor gum is that? You smell good, unlike most of the guys. They usually smell like BO and juicy fruit." <lol> Which I can see as that crowd is way different than the night shift, especially on weekends.

@Otto22 and newmark: yeah it really kills the fantasy. I guess ignorance is bliss! Are dancers more fertile than the average woman? @Samsung1 and @OhioVoyeur: In 2007 Columbus was just fine, compared to most of Ohio. Then that conservative group from Cincinnati started loudly pushing their agenda, and snuck Senate Bill 16 in and Strictland didnt even sign it. Yet now it's law. Cincinnati was conservative enough without punishing the rest of Ohio. When Dayton became the new party spot, I knew it wouldn't be long before SB16 lovers would ruin it.

Thanks for the comments. Porn and the Internet have taught me that some guys like to watch their women with other guys. But both have also taught me that things are frequently exaggerated. lol @OhioVoyeur: I think I'm with you for future encounters. @johnbrwon001: Have you had to flex your muscles over stripclub shit in the past? I prefer to stay non-violent because you never know who's packing heat, but I have a few go-to moves that would get me enough space for a getaway.

I would take some of the above advice. There are three phases to your conquest: 1) Acquire Target - return to the club on a similar night and pay her drinks and money for her time. 2) Inquire about Prices/Availability - spending more time with you could just mean more dances ITC. If she really meant OTC, then ask her how much she needs for her time. Try to get her to offer quotes, which protects you if she is actually LE. 3) Establish Guidelines - make sure you and your husband are clear on what is acceptable and what is off limits. Then make sure the dancer knows. This can take place OTC. As the questionably talented Charlie Sheen once said, "You don't just pay a hooker for sex, you also pay for them to go away." Good luck! And we would love an update. ;^)

It doesn't bother me one way or the other, unless their man works at the club. Then it makes me paranoid and uncomfortable; and I'll find another girl. If a dancer is wearing a ring, I will ask about it.

I have been told by two dancers that they were an item outside the club, but I thought it was SS. I got girl/girl dances from them and it was hot. Since it was in Columbus, Ohio, there wasn't much mileage for me, but they took many liberties with each other. Get one girl to sit on your lap while the standing one dances. Then have them switch at the song break. Hot stuff. Also at the same club two (alleged) sisters would dance for me everytime I came in. Originally just the natural sister would dance, but one time I asked her if she had any friends se liked to do girl/girl with and she suggested her sister (who had a pair of orange sized upgrades). They didn't really do anything with each other, but they were excellent at tag teaming me. Every 20-30 seconds they would alternate doing something. After this discovery I requested this setup 5-6 more visits in a row. The non-upgrade sister eventually switched to bartending. I later found out her bf made that happen. :^(

I got sick from Stevies twice in one year. Now I never let the breasts surround my face. :^(

A few years ago a dancer who I had danced with on 4 different occasions over three months asked me to watch her cats while she went on vacation. Since this was before I found TUSCL, I was venturing into PL territory and thought thus was code for OTC. After meeting her at her apartment, she got naked and asked for a massage. I gave her one, shot the shit, met the cats and got ready for the payoff. Just as she starts unzipping me the psycho bf calls. She said she had to take it and got into an instant fight. Then she hangs up and said I had to leave, unless I could beat up her bf. I hit the heck out of there! Within hours she was blowing my phone up. Turns out she really did want me to watch her cats! No way I wanted to be involved after that close call. Took me months to scrape her off.

Those were really funny. The funniest things I ever heard: From a stripper in VIP after hearing her saying no, then saying no louder, then yelling: "if you touch my asshole again, I'm going to shit on your hand, MF!" My ATF and I laughed hard. I was getting a day shift 2 for 1 girl/girl dance with girl 1 sitting on my lap, while girl 2 is grinding on us. Girl 2 gets on her knees and says, "spread 'em baby" to Girl 1, spreads Girl 1's legs and moves her thong to the side. Girl 1 goes, "wait, don't do it! I just farted a little!". Girl 2 responds with, "girl I have 5 kids, nothing can gross me out-- I've seen it all. " Girl 2 then proceeds to tongue out Girl 1, with gusto. LOL I guess I should not have let that bother me, but it made me kinda ill and I left right after that dance.

I imagine friction burns on your wood don't count? My wife got an earring ripped out by a dancer's heel when she did a "crotch stand". Thankfully it was a hoop with a hook, instead of a post. I have dreadlocks and a dancer's navel ring got stuck in one. Almost ripped the lock out before we noticed she was hooked. That hurt like crazy, and ended the night.

Unless the dance is lackluster, the dancer is distant, or if she talks to anyone else during my dance, I will tip $10 per song. This is assuming $30 per song, and I usually only do 2 for 1s or other deals. If unsolicited extras occur, I double the tip. I typically dance with 3-5 girls per visit. After reading the above comments, I see why I'm usually popular with the dancers. I guess I'm tipping too much.

Atlantic City really needs these additions, otherwise (as the article states) the competition offers similar levels of gaming.

You'll know if it's real when she shakes, sweats, and collapses after she's done. If you don't get 2 out of the three, she's probably faking. I always tip extra for girls that orgasm during my LD, and they get my repeat business.

I usually start out point down the right leg. This lets a dancer locate your package easier, often resulting in that "blowjob through the pants" move many dancers like to do. After this warm up I usually adjust to due north when she gets up to turn around. Or if she is planning on on the cowgirl face to face action, I make a joke about politely rearranging. They always seem to enjoy that I did. Sometimes they move it for you. BTW, never wear tight pants to a strip club. You need room to adjust.

Why would any man want two women at the same time? Twice the nagging. Can you see your afterglow spoiled by "what are you thinking" in both ears? lol I think I hear Wanda Sykes use this in her material years ago. As mentioned above, two girls are not for the budget-conscious. I really do enjoy it when I have the cash. But I believe there is a science to it. First of all I only get do it after sampling one of the dancers first (previous visit or same visit). Secondly I don't invite in any random dancer, I as the familiar dancer if she ever does girl/girl, then if her friend is available to come back and get me. Most clubs I visit the girls can touch you, but not vice versa (unless the dancer okays--and not during the bouncer check walk). So getting two girls guarantees way more contact. Some from the confines of 3 people in a 2 person space, and some from the weight of 2 girls, and some from the chaos of 6 hands. Plus the dancers know you have money and are spending it, so they usually kiss, fondle and try to get each other off. YMMV!

Daisy and Stilleto I definitely appreciate your posts and opinions. I think Daisey is well within her rights to think what she posted, but to post those thoughts on this discussion is inviting the replies her post received. It's the nature of the Internet. I read pretty much the same back and forth on a gambling site intended for players, where the industry professionals played the role of Daisy. I also read a similar back and forth on a coupon site for consumers looking to get triple coupon values with Kroger's playing the role of Daisy. Please keep posting. On the flip side, my biggest SC annoyance is when the Playboy model-type dancer just walks around the club with her hand out, expecting money just because she looks good. No pole tricks, no slick conversation, no flirting, just begging. That's not even about extras.

For this topic, my money is on Dallas. They have some fantastic clubs.