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12 years ago
I personally love the reviews. I have my favorite clubs, but I make a point to check out someplace new fairly often. I usually agree with the prior reviews, but as with all of us, your mileage may vary.
Overall, I have saved time and money by reading the reviews on this site, and I am happy to share. The obvious shills seem to review the same club over and over with nothing but positive experiences.
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12 years ago
This should be stripper loan rule number one! Never give them more than you're prepared to lose!
When I was new to the scene, I gave out loans, that were never paid back, so I learned quickly! However, as a result, I cut them off right away!
Always ask yourself, who is going to need who first? You hold the power with your wallet! For as many manipulative strippers there are out there, there are always a few who will give you what you want.
There are way too many of them out there. Leave the loan requests to another sucker!
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12 years ago
Date her if you must, but have another stripper or non stripper as a backup insurance policy! Most of us on this thread have encountered similar situations many times,, and always have a working plan B! You may not realize this now, but you'll thank me later! Believe that!!
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12 years ago
I find it occurs in steps. First, you get sick of the money demands, next your desire for the pussy goes down, lastly, when the drama/games/mind fucking goes over the top. I had to blow my last OTC off with the daily 4:00 am phone calls! It became much more trouble that it was worth!
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12 years ago
That's priceless information! You hit any club in the NY, NJ or PA areas, and the Brazilians, more often than not, give the highest mileage.
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12 years ago
She is absolutely playing you. Don't give that woman another dime!! Allow yourself time to heal, and then see if she puts out first before you give her a cent! These women don't understand just being nice! Draw a line in the sand with her, and stick to your guns!!
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12 years ago
You've got to be careful about what you tell these dancers! Half of them are psycho! I have never divulged the truth about many parts of my personal social life with any stripper or former ATFs, and with good reason!
I have a good friend who was married and seeingp a stripper on the side almost 10 years ago. Well he decided that it was time to break things off, and she flipped out! He made the mistake of telling her all about his marriage and where he lived. She threatened to tell his wife, and call his job if he didn't give her ten thousand dollars! He gave her the money, and she went away. I knew from that point on to never give a stripper too much information. I create a persona for them, just like they do for me. This way, if the shit hits the fan, and it will, its only a matter of time, she hopefully can't come after me if she's crazy!
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12 years ago
Yes I do! I am a lot more discerning who I do lap dances with. I use the bar side chat as an audition for any action in the back. I don't go as often either. Too many of these dancers aren't worth it and seriously flaky.
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12 years ago
Yes I do! I am a lot more discerning who I do lap dances with. I use the bar side chat as an audition for any action in the back. I don't go as often either. Too many of these dancers aren't worth it and seriously flaky.
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12 years ago
I guess the lesson learned is to get that contact information if you both click with each other.
I have lost a few, even knowing their Facebook and phone info. You'd be surprised that 90 percent will come back to you over time. That's why it pays to have several on rotation if you can. They are like stray cats or Arabian horses. Trust me, if you get that contact info, and they still vanish, then leave it alone. There is always another future ATF around the corner....
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12 years ago
Pouring it on a bit thick tonight ladies....
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12 years ago
You're doing better than me! I met this Puerto Rican dancer about 2 weeks ago. A stone 12 on a scale from 1 to 10. Anyway I met her for drinks the night before Thanksgiving, and we really hit it off well! She invites me by her house last Monday night, and I swore it was going to be a night to remember! She couldn't screw for anything! It was the worst sex session I've had in many moons!!
So "poof", that fantasy is over. Boy, I'll tell you.., you never know what you're going to get! I got the booby prize this time. You did a lot better! Enjoy it while it lasts!!
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12 years ago
Yes, I've had free takeout with a former ATF. Font get me wrong, I had paid for her OTC in the last. It eventually turned into free takeout over time, but it wasn't worth it. The hurricane of drama, tears, family issues, and ultimately anger at me for trivial misunderstandings ultimately killed our takeout sessions. Trust me, nothing is got free! I would rather pay for a smooth takeout any day.
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12 years ago
I agree with you completely that you shouldn't throw a prospect away, but I believe after another attempt or two, the Id move on. If you don't, now you're considered a "mark", and she'll play you for every dollar you have for the foreseeable future.
I feel like a coach, so get back in there are try again, but if the excuses start pouring in, then kick her to the curb.
Good luck!! Just don't ever allow yourself to get played for a sucker!
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12 years ago
I generally go a few times, get to know her, and get inside if her head. Whatever works, so you don't look like the typical drunk and aggressive customer. Then, I will ask her directly about OTC. Sometimes they'll beat you to the punch and ask you. If it doesn't work, I may try once more, but then move on. You can't bag them all!
I think it would be a better idea to ask her to Applebee's yourself, instead if a gift card. Nice gesture, but if you want to find out where she stands, ask her go go out with you. If you get one excuse after another, move on quickly. There are too many others who will accept your offer!
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12 years ago
This is why you've got to keep strippers and clubs on a rotation. If you spend a lot of time with one, feelings are bound to develop. Play them before they play you. Most of them don't care because they've got a revolving door of men and endless bullshit, so when in Rome.....
I guarantee you this stripper will call you again, they always do. I love it! You've got to always remember that you have the money, and regardless of what they tell you, that's ultimately what they want.
If you play your cards right, you'll meet someone hotter and nicer within a few days.
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12 years ago
I never got money back, but I had one meet me for lunch, her treat , the next day. Then she gave me a HJ in the car afterwards, and refused my money. It's like a daily soap opera, they're all different.
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12 years ago
Yes they frequently of get jealous. That's what's weird...they're women with emotions and street hustlers at the same time. I've frequently seen them get their emotions get in the way of their game. Just try to get several friends with benefits and you see some ITC and others you can see for free outside. If you have the patience to listen to their personal drama, you might be surprised how much free sex you can get on the outside. This has helped me get rid of the jealousy situation, because the others don't know what Im doing, at least not yet!
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12 years ago
All of you make good points. I always use the term ATF loosely, because they will ultimately exit your life by my or her choice. They can be the best long or short term fake cash based relationships you can have.
Since I wrote this discussion this morning, the second ATF texted me saying that she doesn't want to share me. This is absurd, so I told her to leave me alone, which means no cash if she sees me.
It's all a game, and I could care less. How many times has a supposed ATF left you, only to call or text you again with a day, a week, or a month? Cash is king, so I never take it seriously. It was awkward because they are both at the same club, but the situation always works itself out, one way or the other. Never give a stripper too much power. Last I checked, none of them are paying my bills...
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12 years ago
They all do lie, that's why you should take precautions with all of them. It's like going to work at a sales operation, except all of your colleagues are backstabbing manipulative liars. I'm surprised more cat fights don't break out, and I've seen a few prizefights at different clubs from time to time.
I usually just shrug it off. Normally the ones with supposed STDs ate the most popular at any given club.
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12 years ago
We all have to learn the hard way, especially early on, but never ever prepay for anything with these con artists! This is a hustlers game, so you've got to out hustle the hustlers.
Never fall for their tales of woe, slow nights, needing loans, or the feeling that they love you. It's all bullshit. I tell them whatever I need to say to meet my objectives without parting from unnecessary Hamiltons. I suggest you all do the same. Experience is a painful lesson, and you can gain a lot by reading these discussions if you're a newbie.
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12 years ago
Yes, DFK has happened many times, and it has lead to things happening ITC and OTC. Sometimes the stripper will screw up and start having feelings for you. That's where it gets interesting. You always know because she will screw you for free, and want to spend time with you like a civilian woman. It's tough dating a stripper because many of them are so beautiful, yet so insecure. At any rate, everyone is different. Just my experiences....
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12 years ago
Stop complaining about how you didn't make any money last night. Either you're lying for sympathy and extra cash, which isn't happening, or you want more from me than I planned to spend. If you're as good as you think you are, there will be several others who will out earn you because they're not complaining.
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12 years ago
Hell no! She's more than likely lying to you, and even if it is true, ask yourself if the felon would give her money to bail you out of jail? The answer is hell no!!!
Tell her to tell him not to drop the soap!!
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12 years ago
Yes, your wallet is happy! I have found that every time an ATF leaves, she ends up calling you back. It may be a week, or up to a month. As a rookie, I would entertain them again. Over time, I've learned to not cave into any demands, and keep it moving.
You want a true test? See if she'll hook up with you for free, or offer you gifts or money. Then you'll know that she's serious! However, then you've got the mind fuck to deal with. I'm not saying Im perfect, but this always points to always have multiple options. I promise you, you'll never feel this way again Juice....