Sad day brothers

IMHO it's a natural thing that can happen, UNLESS your opinion about dancers is SO low that you consider them as less than a human woman.

Good idea to break it off now before she becomes even more of a problem. There are plenty of fish in the sea...

Good move!

With time you may realize it was for the best. When things start going south they rarely ever get better and often times just keep getting worse.

Get her out of your mind – go to the SC tonight if you can and enjoy yourself.

Thanks fellas! I know it's for the best and had to be done. My life will be all the better for it.

Dumping a stripper and being sad about what you "lost" is like not buying a lottery ticket and being sad about the money you lost.

You never had it to begin with. If you gotta give her a $100 or pay her rent or cell phone bill....she's not your bitch...you're her bitch.

Ending any relationship, even a purely business one, can be emotional. Especially if it was ongoing and mutually beneficial.

I dont know....I stopped eating at Del Taco because their food gives me indigestion...but I didn't cry about it.

You think she's spending time (in between blowing the other dudes) telling them about how broke up she is that she needs to start paying her own cell phone bill??

Okay, bad example...she probably is...but still.

I doubt that she's too upset about it. Guys (and girls) looking for p4p OTC are a dime a dozen. You'll be replaced pretty quickly, as she has bills to pay.

Wait, there's girls looking for p4p??

Well...how do I get that action!!? I could use the money I make to go to the club!

jester214: "Ending any relationship, even a purely business one, can be emotional."

Especially for the jestie-girl!

It's a good move playa but yes this Shit hurts....I get close to.these bitches as.well

wow, all this honent expression of feelings is bringing a tear to my eye... i love u guys...

👍 @carolynne

yes Leonard....but the two girls that I know that do that are looking for women escorts. Sorry but you got the wrong plumbing, pal.

eh, I have no problem dumping a chick. Just ran into a ex who gave some super duper top (BJ BB/C) but was annoying to death and I dumped her with no remorse. Don't really see how it's sad if she's annoying. Just get another chick and call it a day. She'll do what your previous did and no doubt she's prettier (why would you go for the same standards)

Relationships between people do exist. In every context. I have never had a long term pay relationship with a stripper. I did have a short personal one once, years ago.

But when people spend time together they gain affinity and hopefully there is something they like about each other, especially under the intimacy of a sexual relationship. You guys do realize to men sex is probably the most important thing to them?

Anyway as a relationship goes on it carves deep memories in the brain. Kind of like a goat path so to speak. Once these memories are imbedded they do not just go away when the person goes away.

hmm I guess I'm one of those rare excpetions pertaining to men when it comes to relationships and sex. Sex is NOT the most important thing and I don't dote on romantic relationships, if she's gone, that's it. On to the next one. Perhaps because I'm still young and have many things to do and much money to make

I think sex is equally important to both sexes. Women just don't talk about it, at least not with us.

lol sclvr... well, one thing is for certain... u r not a woman pretending to be a man.

^^ huh?

I think she means sex isn't as important to most women like it is for most men. Lol

Get back on the horse. Find another.

Okay...this is depressing. It's totally reinforcing my long held belief that most strip club hounds are pathetic, clueless men desperate for attention from anything with two milkbags and a hole where their cock is supposed to be.

They are WHORES. They provide you attention...for a fee. If you think they care about you...ask them to do it for free. Odds are, that relationship ends in less than 3 weeks tops...and that only if you're hung and good looking. These are not "girls", these are not "puppies"....these are not "good women that got bad breaks". And for every one that is...theres 12 that aren't.

And like a female friend told me...strippers HATE you. They may hide it well...but they HATE your guts. They blame YOU for "making them" get naked and dance around for money. YOU're the enemy. Which is why, once they have your cash...they are either on to the next John or hiding out in the back room on their cell phones.

Its okay to have fun and believe the fantasy...thats one of the great parts of clubbing. It's fine to let them lie to you...but dont lie to yourself man.

Men value sex FAR more than most women do. Top to bottom, side by side comparison...not even close. Any woman that says, "I'm the exception"...let her live with me for 3 weeks...by the 3rd week I'm sure I'll hear, "Seriously! All you think about is sex! Is that all I mean to you!?" Game over. And yes.

You're reinforcing my opinion that you're an idiot.

There is no fantasy for me. I don't give a fuck if they think I'm awesome or the biggest piece of shit in the world. As long as I enjoy my time with them, then who gives a fuck? If suddenly I didn't get to spend time with anymore I would regret that. That doesn't make me pathetic, clueless or desperate, it makes me a normal person.

I'd also be sad if my barber retired, he's good at what he does and his jokes are fucking hilarious.

Dancers get naked or Topless and dance around and go into VIP Rooms to make money because it is a way to make money that may well be easier than a REAL job.

Neither myself or any other customer "MAKES" them get Topless, naked or dance or go into VIP Rooms. I am quite curious as to where you came up with that bit of reasoning, if it can be called reasoning at all.

Regarding hating, do you read minds Leonard313? Unless you can read minds, I doubt you know what anyone is thinking.

Alutard: "Regarding hating, do you read minds Leonard313?"

Word it that Leonard313 tried to read Alutard's mind, but was foiled because alutard doesn't have one!

" Any woman that says, "I'm the exception"...let her live with me for 3 weeks...by the 3rd week I'm sure I'll hear, "Seriously! All you think about is sex! Is that all I mean to you!?" Game over. And yes."


While I agree that I've never met a straight girl with a sex drive as high as my own, us oversexed gay girls are certainly the exception to the above claim. I suspect my heightened libido is a result of my lust for women, much like a straight man would experience. Maybe females who chase pussy, have higher sex drives than straight woman who chase dick. Who knows.

ever heard of a nympho? I'm sure you haven't since you don't go to regular clubs. But there are bitches who's sex drive is WORSE than the average male (though i don't count since i am not the average male and sex is not one of the top priorities). also leonard, your claim doesn't make any sense. Who the hell told them to go and strip on the pole. We didn't pick girls off the street to come and dance on the pole. They should hate themselves for doing it. If they really felt that way, they'd get a regular job and live a straight edge life. Its their own fault they decided to take the fast route for cash. Even drug dealers must work harder than strippers and drug dealing can be considered the easiest and the hard job in the world.

to me this reinforces my thought that women are too lazy for their own good in my opinion

"And like a female friend told me...strippers HATE you. They may hide it well...but they HATE your guts."

Probably true in some cases, certainly not true in others. I've met far too many who like the job, from both sides of the "extras" line, to believe something that one sided.

They may not all love it, and some of them are certainly better actors than others, but the ones how really do hate it don't last long, IME. That kind of feeling can't be hidden for long, especially in the strip club world, and us pathetic losers will eventually notice and avoid such people.

There seems to be lots of fallacies in many of Leonard's statements. This hobby isn't right for everyone. Perhaps its time for him to consider a new one.

Well, of course, any statement about "all" of any group of people is bound to be wrong. You just need to find one counter example out of a stripper population in the US of what? 50,000? 100,000?

There are some who don't hate their job (merely dislike it). Some have claimed to actually like it. Maybe true, but hard to believe, and, if so, I think the likeable days die off pretty quickly, then it's just a job they feel trapped in.

So even though his statement is not true about every single one of them, strippers do tend to be pretty hateful creatures. Their job is pretty lowly regarded by society and, often themselves, so they are looking for others to look down upon to make themselves feel better. And who better than loser customers who have to pay for it? But then, often, they are either jerking or sucking these loser guys off or fucking them, so that attitude only ends up compounding their internal hatred.

As for this statment:

gmd: "They may not all love it, and some of them are certainly better actors than others, but the ones how really do hate it don't last long"

You have got to be kidding! I think it's the other way around. The longer they have done the job the more likely they are to hate it. Ain't no stripper more likely to be completely consumed by hatred than the lifers. Somehow they can hide it from most customers I guess, and they also do extras so they get by, but, to me, I can detect their hatred oozing out of them in the first minute of talking of them. Not sure how others do not pick up on it.

So why do they continue in a job they hate when the rational thing to do is get out? I think it's just what they are used to. Feeling trapped in a situation/life they hate but suffering through it.

IME, it's actually the more balanced non-hateful ones who will bail on it quite early before it ever turns into something they hate. So the selection effect is mostly the opposite of what GMD is describing.

Yes, some of the ones who have been around a while are not the hateful ones, but that's not how it typical plays out.

@Dougster: Possibly. However, based on my observations locally, I think I'm closer to the truth than you are. Admittedly, I've only been here for 17 years now, so it might need a longer observation period to confirm or disprove.

I know I've seen a lot of faces come and go at the local clubs. The ones who've been there the longest seem to like it, or at least tolerate it well. The ones who seem to hate it, or grow to hate it after a while, never seem to last for very long past the point where the hate creeps in. My observation is, of course, anecdotal. It is, however, direct observation.

Yes, there are a few. I've met a few here and there who stay on for reasons I cannot even begin to understand. Intellectually, yeah, I get that they have few other prospects and they perceive that this is all they have, but I *don't* get how they can take doing something they so obviously detest.

For me, their attitude simply screams "don't come near me, I'm a poisonous bitch who will ruin your night", and while I suppose there might be a PL desperate for some company or a blowjob that will sit with them, but if it's common, then perhaps I'm simply more sensitive to that sort of thing than most.

Like I say the hateful ones probably know no other way to think, and don't want to imagine a life they would be more comfortable with. Masochistic and/or negativistic in psychological terms. "Suffering" through their "plight" make actually give then some satisfaction and comfort.

Maybe their attitudes are simply not noticed by their customers, or the customers like being around hatred radiators, or their plight ellicits sympathy, but like you I pick up on it quickly and will send them away in the first minute.

Dancers might hate aspects of their jobs but as one pointed out to me just the other day they love that they can work three days a week and leave after 6 hours if you feel like it AND still make as much or more than they would anywhere else.

Yep, there is "easy money" if you are willing to push moral boundaries in society and/or cross the legal/illegal line. Can be risky though and ALWAYS has a psychological toll.

This is why you've got to keep strippers and clubs on a rotation. If you spend a lot of time with one, feelings are bound to develop. Play them before they play you. Most of them don't care because they've got a revolving door of men and endless bullshit, so when in Rome.....
I guarantee you this stripper will call you again, they always do. I love it! You've got to always remember that you have the money, and regardless of what they tell you, that's ultimately what they want.
If you play your cards right, you'll meet someone hotter and nicer within a few days.

^^^ excellent post! You nailed it!

Jester, I see your point regarding barbers...but here's the one main difference.

One of those people, would steal your money if you left it on the seat next to you. One of them wouldn't.

And before it makes everyone's heads explode..."generalizations" are by definition not "100%" true. I realize and admit that. But if you're sitting there disputing the statements I made because you once met a nympho or you dated one of 2 strippers in your state that are actaully normal...you're not really making a very good case against what I'm stating...kinda making my case for me.

Seems to be how things go on this site. They'll try and argue that strippers are ok people overall because not every single one is terrible. Not exactly great logic. If you sk about strippers, in general, they either say nothing, say everyone's experiences are different, say they aren't willing to speak about strippers in general because they don't know every single one (more atrocious logic), or tell you to just stick with the okay ones. Always dancing around the real issues.

@leonard-just the fact that several posters flagged your comments as incorrect suggests that perhaps you need to be more cognizant of your wording.
And no....it did not support your case at all. In fact it pretty much reinforced ours.

If someone stole from me I doubt I would enjoy my time with them. Again though your logic assumes that all/alot/most would steal from you. I've had more instances where dancers didn't rip me off, when they could have tried, than I've had instances where they did try.

Back to my main point: as long as you get a generally positive experience out of the relationship, regardless of what the type, it's perfectly normal to feel negative emotions if it stops. Not pathetic, human.

In regards to 'generalizations' many on this site, yourself included apparently, suggest that the vast majority of dancers fit into them. Even if they really think it's only 98% I still argue that's ridiculously high. Either they are from an area that is far outside the norm and aren't willing to consider regional differences, or they WANT to believe that it's that way for their own personal reasons.

With respect to comments above about strippers hating their jobs – don’t most people hate their jobs and stick with them for a variety of reasons?

Jobs that consist of working directly w/ people (i.e. customers) are often the most frustrating and emotionally taxing IMO – and one could say that stripping is the ultimate “dealing w/ people” job.

Papi_Chulo I'd say my job is up there vis-a-vis dealing with people. ;)) :))

Aren't they unconscious most of the time you deal with them?

You still have to talk to them prior and deal with them. They aren't always asleep. But I was speaking about nurses in general, not specifically OR nurses.

I probably would have answered very differently a few years ago, when most of my clubbing was road based and I didn't see any one girl more than a few times per year. I used to laugh at these guys whining about fav/reg dynamics, shaking my head as I thought of the multitude of pussy that I was sourcing from clubs around the country without ever having to deal with this B/S.

Then, a few years ago, I decided to start patronizing a local club in between road trips and my opinions on this changed a bit. After 15+ years of dodging this issue, I finally found myself with a favorite. I enjoyed visiting her in the club and also enjoyed the OTC. After a year, she retired and I will readily admit that I did miss my interactions with her.

Human beings are complex creatures and, regardless of the transactional nature of a relationship, intimacy can lead to a certain amount of comfort and even affection. Feeling a bit of loss over losing someone with whom you spent time, and perhaps developed a certain level of comfort, is natural.

At the end of the day, you just gotta' shrug it off and look for the next candidate. ;)

Well put Rick!

Alutard sucking up to Ricky-boy, now? So desperate for a friend, he'll overlook all of Rick's admitted infidelity which even includes putting his wife at risk of STDs via BBFS? Even in your own "mind" (see how I put that in quotes) you must realize how low you're sinking now, alutard.

you guys are funny... arguing what dancers think, what there motivations are, etc. some dancers hate it, some are okay with it, some actually do like it. some enjoy their regulars and others couldn't care less. most are mostly about the money, but even then there are other factors that do matter. some enjoy sex as much as any guy, but most do not. this endless stream of speculation and "proofs" is a waste of time.

I should certainly hope we are all just here to waste time. Got a problem with it?

no, it's just that the level of self-importance attached to each post is laughable.