Comments by WillMunny (page 10)

Especially in the states where it's been legalized (or at least decriminalized), I'd guess a minimum of 3/4 of dancers are heavily into littering and... Littering and... Littering and... Smokin' the reefer!

@joc13 For a moment in that last pic I thought she was standing under mistletoe. Happy Holidays, indeed!

I recently struck up a conversation with a twentysomething gal that had a Star Wars tattoo. When I mentioned having seen the original in theaters, it was like telling her I remembered being present at a historic event: "Wooowww, that is sooo coool!" I tried not to think about the affection she probably has for Jar Jar Binks.

My experience has been that, contrary to popular belief, there are country music fans (more popularly, if pejoratively known as "rednecks") throughout the country. Some by birth, others by choice, but no region or city has a monopoly (or exclusion). Part of this has to do with the blurring of lines between traditional country, rock, hip-hop, r&b, and other music genres. In reality they've always been part of a spectrum, but the last couple of decades have produced more "hybrid" artists and "mainstream" recognition for genre music. I will say it's pretty rare even in the deep south to have a club willing to play country music, though. I've been to a few where dancers pick their own stage routine songs and a very small number picked it, but classic rock, rap, and r&b still rule by an overwhelming margin.

I've probably had a roughly 50/50 split in "home" vs "road" time since I started clubbing as more than a casual rarity. I'm fortunate to have a selection of above-average clubs locally with a good variety of options (dancer types, club atmosphere, and level of service), but I still appreciate the adventure of visiting a new-to-me club for the first time, or better still the novelty of sharpening my clubbing "game" in a relatively unfamiliar environment. Some pros of "home" clubbing: - Familiarity with local customs, market rates, and subtleties like the best place to sit or best day/time to visit to optimize your experience - Benefits of being known as a "regular" by both dancers and staff - Learning not just which dancers offer the performance you want, but also which ones have that "je ne sais quoi" to reach favorite status - OTC always presents three location options (her place, yours, or neutral territory such as a hotel room) Cons of home clubbing: - If variety is a priority, always playing on home turf makes that more difficult (or at least less frequent) - Anonymomity is to some degree inversely proportional to your level of "regular" status - most of us have some level of privacy we'd like to maintain, regardless of relationship or business status - Anything negatively impacting your home club experience can affect the whole clubbing ecosystem in short order. Maybe a local ordinance bans full nudity; or your favorite high-mileage club gets raided; or if you have an ugly break-up with a fave, she poisons the well for her co-workers you might otherwise want to replace her. Pro/con of clubbing away from home is largely the inverse. In some cases I've been fortunate enough to have recurring travel to top-tier clubbing cities, which in many ways offered the best of both worlds.

"Now that I've clarified my needs, do you have any recommendations for me?" Actually no, because other than quoting a price range (which on average would be sufficient in probably 2/3 of clubs nationwide to pull ITC extras with the top talent) you haven't made anything clear about your criteria. Repeating: what about Detroit rules it out for you? And you seem to imply something lacking in COI or Miami - if that's the case, what? I'm not hung up on Detroit as a suggestion, but can say that in my own experience if you want a top-tier girl that will be open to extras ITC for $800/hour all-in, Detroit would be my first suggestion. In most markets where a VIP "on the clock" is standard, a 30 minute session is more common than an hour. So taking $400/half-hour as your standard, even backing out "overhead" costs (room, tips, drinks, cover, parking, etc) you should still be well above market rate almost anyplace except NYC or possibly Vegas. The other subjective questions you leave open to the reader are what constititutes an8/9/10 (in your personal view), and how many you need to see in a club to meet your elusive standards? You might also consider being more cordial to people who are genuinely trying to help you out. Acting like a dick here won't get you better answers, and if you have a similar attitude while clubbing it could explain why you're not getting offers where others report positive experiences.

The way you've framed the question leaves a lot open to interpretation. Most cities with more than 2-3 clubs will have a number of 8-9+ dancers. If money is no object, their willingness to do extras is generally just a fuction of how much it takes to meet their price. What about Detroit rules it out for you, esp. compared to COI or Miami? I've clubbed in a lot of places and I have to say the best quality and value for money consistently for a city has to be Detroit metro. Other places have a single club as an outlier (e.g. Follies) but lack consitent quality and/or readily available extras in a majority of clubs.

Seems to me that you're creating a false dichotomy between strippers and "real" women. The issue with your ex-dreamgirl wasn't that *she* wasn't real, it's that the basis for your relationship was transactional instead of emotional. You seem to have reached the level of self-awareness to recognize a woman's physical appearance is important to you, so what's wrong with making that one of your criteria in looking for a 'real' relationship? Depending on the other traits you're prioritizing - intelligence, compassion, sense of humor, mutual interests, etc. - you're probably not going to find the ideal mate in the ranks of "pay4play" women you've been marauding through, so the search won't be easy but you have to decide what you really want from this endeavor: another hot girl you can tolerate just long enough to bang, or someone you're genuinely attracted to in a way that can last long after her looks have faded.

Best advice thus far from rh48hr, with honorable mention to JohnSmith - except if you're going out, you might as well swing for the fences and ask for your usual service for 50% your normal cost. Or anal at full price.

Unless your rating scale works on a curve, and/or you were particularly hard up, the 4 rating is sufficient to justify you passing on this "opportunity." Just for additional analysis, though, if her story is her boyfriend was bi on the down-low that's an enormous red flag. She claimed they were together 8 years, so it's impossible to imagine he wasn't still giving it to her at least occasionally, and who knows how safely he was playing with her or his boy(s) on the side? It's also possible this is the gal's hustle - outlandish story that builds both sympathy and visions of freakiness dancing in your PL head, whereas a conventional approach you would've dismissed right off the bat. The only potential up-side to engaging would be her openness to really get her freak on in that circumstance, but the most willing/horny/submissive 4 is still a 4. You made a good call.

Let's just say, for the sake of argument, that a hypothetical OP was as certain that the singles in question were counterfeit, as it were, as he is that his writing style, notwithstanding heretofore correct grammar and syntax, could be construed as both clear, and more importantly - concise (Details, if you will - consider the source). On a more serious note, I can confirm that standard procedure for retailers if someone attempts to pass a counterfeit bill is to confiscate the cash, notify the authorities, and (within reason) attempt to detain the person passing the bill. I recall a few years ago getting a pre-1960 $20 bill in a stack of cash from my local bank (it stood out to me immediately and I made sure it wasn't a silver certificate bill, knowing better than to spend one of those). I didn't think any more of it, until after I passed it on to a single mom friend to buy dinner for herself and her kid. She called me in tears after trying to use the $20 at a local fast food joint - the counter jockey saw a slightly strange looking bill and did what he'd been trained to do: swipe the bill with the "foolproof" iodine pen they keep by the register to verify currency. Except bills that old had a different chemical makeup, thus he got a false positive for the bill being fake. My friend wisely left in a hurry before the cops arrived. It was hours later before I could go by and talk to the manager, and even then - showing him multiple articles online about the problem with the pens and old bills - he wouldn't back down and even give back the $20. I finally decided my time was worth more than changing the idiot's mind, and just learned to be careful of those bills in the future.

Maybe Hermey the the Elf was onto something.

Two words: Oral Fixation. Probably 2/3 of my favorites have been smokers. I'm not a fan, but cigarette smoke doesn't bother me enough to be a deal-breaker. And the gals that "need" something in their mouth have been pretty consistently satisfying.

Can't recall any unwanted physical interaction, but I've had several occasions when a woman I didn't know (or welcome advances from) made her attraction known in a way that made me uncomfortable. On the first day of 7th grade there was a screw-up with my registration, so I ended up with a small group of students being walked through the halls as the administrator handling our paperwork went from classroom to classroom adding a couple of us to each homeroom group. While one group was being "handed off" the rest of us were left in the hall unescorted. A tall brunette that I'd never met before eyed me up and down and told me "You look gooood!" Not knowing how to react - the gal wasn't hideous, but a bit thick and a lot white trash for my tastes at the time - I just said "Thanks." We ended up in different homerooms so I never really saw her again the rest of the school year, and pretty much forgot about the incident. Fast forward to a year or two after college, I was visiting my hometown and went to lunch with a friend at a local restaurant. Who should turn out to be my waitress but the same tall brunette! I recognized her immediately and remembered the previous incident, which I obviously wasn't about to bring up, but she immediately started fawning over me *again* ("Oh my, you are so handsome!" etc). What made it all the more awkward/strange was that my friend, whom the waitress was blatantly ignoring to flirt with me, was female (strictly platonic, but she had no way of knowing that). I did tip her decently despite the "harassment."

No kids and no desire to have them anytime soon, but I figure there's plenty of time left (Tony Randall, anyone?). Statistically I figure if I ever end up getting married there's a better than even chance she'd already have at least one kid. For Eve, I'm sure it's frustrating to get all the runaround but I can see the logic - patriarchal though it may be - in making women wait to age 25, and counseling them clearly before making a permanent decision. You've got an awful lot of your life still ahead of you, and it may be better to deal with the hassles of conventional birth control than finding yourself 10 years down the road wanting a family and not having the (natural) option anymore.

Shailynn's point is a good one, you have to define your terms clearly. I'd assume the percentage of customers asking a breastaurant waitress out (with sex being the goal, stated or implied) ends up higher than the corresponding percentage of PLs in a club for two reasons: 1) A waitress has an implicitly higher degree of attainability (she's hot but she's "just a waitress") than a dancer; perception of costs would also tend to reinforce this if the custie is making a transactional offer (dancer's VIP time starts around the same base number as a waitress might make before tips in a full shift). 2) Seeing a dancer naked will satisfy a majority of strip club customers without pursuing more (ITC or OTC). Remember those who understand what "extras" are available are in the substantial minority.

White mocha latte? Chulo, I thought you only preferred dark and full-fat? In my experience there tend to be concentrations like this in most major metro areas. Moneyed professional men will naturally be more likely to have attractive stay-at-home wives - the ones with no kids have time and resources to focus on "upkeep" and a good percentage of the young moms go out of their way to maintain MILF status (whether for their rich hubbies or to prove to themselves they've still "got it.") Economics make this demographic highly unlikely to show up at the local club, but there are occasional outliers. And a whole different world of opportunities opens up when one of these deperate housewives decides it's time to spread her proverbial wings - I've known at least a couple that tried dancing during/just after getting divorced, and whether you meet them at the club or elsewhere they can be the wildest, freakiest partners you'll ever come across.

Probably one of the most accurate depictions of PL/dancer dynamics in a feature film is the 2001 indie The Center of The World. Socially awkward dot-com jillionaire makes a bargain with a stripper for a junket in Vegas. Pornstar Alisha Klass has a cameo as a background dancer.

@twentyfive "I knew a Mexican firefighter who named his sons Jose A,Jose B,Jose C, etc." Well doesn't a Mexican firefighter always need to have a bunch of joses at the ready? *tip your waitresses, and try the veal...* I've wondered on several occasions if dancers realize how common the stage name "Unique" has become.

Not interested in being seen in public with a woman wearing those, but definitely interested in seeing a gal that could rock that look in private.

Leasing a car? Don't you know that's a sucker's game, the real action is driving home right off the showroom floor.... Seriously though, it depends on multiple factors, including: 1) The dancer: is she new to me? How hot is she? Has there been a rapport established, or is the conversation just her standard script/sales pitch? 2) The price: Even if I'm playing the level of services by ear, it's just asking for disappointment to not be clear on the expected price. Even in clubs where the "standard" rates are well established, you'll still get an occasional gal with GPS that expects more than market rate - and waiting til you're done is just asking for drama. In the other hand, if I know the price is one I feel is easily affordable, I'm open to not talking about any additional details and just letting things happen. 3) The club: if I've been before (or done my research here) I should have a much better idea on the odds of getting what I deem appropriate value for my dollar. 3) The market: in some cities (e.g. Nashville) the clubs are universally low-mileage/overpriced, vs. others (Detroit) that the standard level of service in pretty much any club make disappointment unlikely.

Depends on what kind of experience you prefer - do you want your ample budget to go toward one top-shelf lady in the best environment your PL money can buy? Or would you be happier sampling a wide variety of women where your dollars go further but the atmosphere is less than pristine? Detroit metro offers about the widest range of options available in the states, and even the higher end of the scale is remarkably affordable compared to other markets. If you're looking for the premium experience I'd say you're on track with Penthouse or Coli, Flight Club probably also in that range. Mid-tier, BT's Dearborn or Cricket are generally solid choices. If slumming it's your preference you can find some rough diamonds at H8 North or Bogart's.

Have seen the "bachelor punishment" routine a couple of times at different clubs, always felt sorry for the poor bastards (and wondered if their buddies knew what they were in for ahead of time). May just be a coincidence, but seems like most of the clubs where I've seen above-average contact/interaction between custies and the gals on stage have been otherwise low-mileage spots in smaller or downright rural locales.

As a general rule I try to avoid giving unsolicited advice, however good it might be. In the club environment I think minding your own business is an especially good policy. Unless you're witnessing outright theft - pickpocketing, etc. - it seems more likely intervening would create problems rather than solving them.

Recently did a couple of songs w/an 18 yo "amateur" (read: touring semi-pro). She was fit and wasn't visibly sweating, but during the 2nd song when she positioned her body over mine at a certain angle I caught a whiff of pretty serious BO from her armpit. Shame, as she was otherwise a sweet gal and more than met my physical standards, but the funk was too much of a mood-killer to keep going. Moral of the story: Sweat? No problem. Stink? No thank you.