Comments by WillMunny (page 9)

What is your major malfunction, numbnuts? Didn't Mommy and Daddy show you enough attention when you were a child?

@BJ99 - I think you actually hit on the arguments for giving as much detail as possible. The definition of "good value" is wildly subjective, based on such myriad variables as: dancer quality (also subjective), PL's budget, PL's experience with oher clubs (local market and more broadly), PL's goals (anything from just see some pretty gals dance to hardcore extras/OTC recruiting). As you say, some folks are easier to please.

I concur on giving only limited information on the extent of what happens in VIP, for several reasons: - No sense giving LEO or anyone else with a contrary agenda too much ammunition - What happened between me and an individual dancer in private is exactly that - even without sharing names or other identifying details, I'm not eager to overshare on a public forum - My detailed experience may not predict the experience someone else may have (different dancer, different pricing, etc). To use the cliche, Your Mileage May Vary

A while back (after the "Cuban Invasion" had happened, but before the reports on declining quality became consistent), I met an unusually hot dancer at Follies day shift that was asking double the standard rate for VIP. I passed because I've generally had poor experiences with GPS cases (regardless whether I could afford it or thought she was "worth" the premium price). I did decline politely, and did get her number, though. Keeping in touch casually led to a much better experience than a Follies VIP could ever have been.

+1 To Cashman''s interest in the LFL (now "Legends" since the original "Lingerie" was clearly too politically incorrect to survive for long). Seriously, though, I think the trend with any of the traditional "major" sports is likely to be one of ddiminishing market share as the Millennial generation comes of age with a combination of diminished attention spans (how do you sit through a 3-hour game if you need a fidget spinner to make it an hour focused on one class or TV show?) coupled with being accustomed to all media "on demand." Specific to the US market, soccer may be the only professional sport with significant and sustainable growth potential. But that's mainly a function of how underrepresented it is compared to the global market.

Anyone else think Gawker should compile his ATF posts into a novel? I just hope it's a comedy, not a tragedy.

Great info already provided, just a couple of notes to add: - For best bang for your buck, Henry's North (Inkster) runs $10 dance days on Mondays (all day), half the normal price. In my experience the dancer quality on Mondays may be slightly lower than other days, but the level of service and value can balance this out. - Virtually every club in the metro has VIP dances starting around $20-25/song, but you can negotiate with dancers for a "block price" for time and/or services instead - i.e. I'd like 30 minutes for $X, or services A & B with no song count for $Y plus tip. - You can either have this negotiation on the floor, or during your first dance so if you can't reach an agreement you're only out the cost of a single dance. - Know market rates for the club and experience you're looking to have. Especially if you let on that you're a visitor, some girls will start out witj an asking price around double what you should normally be paying. Reviews here should be helpful, you can also check the twosheds forums for City of Detroit and metro area clubs (not updated often but gives additional insight on individual clubs & pricing).

Agree that having the toggle option is preferable to only the "short list" and having to load each individual review. On a related note, I personally prefer the pull-down version of the base navigation menu, which seems to be missing on the pages with the updated format. @Founder - let me know if you need a screen shot for any of the above. :-)

+1 to the folks advocating small gifts (favoring cash or gift cards) but not going overboard into RIL territory. Thoughtfulness can pay dividends, but be realistic about the type of relationship you have (or more importantly, what you don't).

Here's the thread in question: https://www.tuscl.net/?page=post&id=54577 From context it sounds like it's the infamous ATF he's referring to. @Shadowcat - So I guess it wouldn't be a thrill to put the "HO" in HOA?

I have a couple of "what might have been" dancers in my past. One was close to my age at the time, and we hit it off so well I wished I had met her in "civilian" life. Not only was she beautiful and in fantastic shape, she was a great conversationalist and had a sharp sense of humor. Only saw her twice before she retired from dancing (found out she got married so she was most likely engaged when I first met her). C'est la vie.

Spoiler Alert: @Emily has been trolling all of you for years.

+1 on the lobby dump. It's just common courtesy when she's still sleeping. @Ch3ll : an additional point of consideration deciding between flying vs. driving: do you think it's more likely you could pull off a trip to the Mile High Club, or road head?

@Shadowcat - I feel like there's an obligation to name this dancer, lest others be subjected to similar behavior. And for the weirdos with a golden shower fetish you'd be doing her a favor. The only "logic" I *might* see in this would be based on the reports the club will be expanding soon. In a dancer's mind that probably means there's no sense taking care of carpet that'll get replaced in a couple of months. And one final note: if this becomes a trend, I suggest an addition to the TUSCL glossary. Joining ATF and CF in the lexicon, POTF: Pisses On The Floor.

Elizabeth Hurley: Still shagadelic after all these years. @Shadow - Tara Reid was never that hot to begin with, and the years (and the crazy) have not been kind. Now a certain exchange student, on the other hand... http://www.hawtcelebs.com/shannon-elizabeth-awake-dream-standing-rock-premiere-2017-tribeca-film-festival-04222017/ Oh, behave!

@Clubber - Well played, sir. I had a similar experience in one club with the dollar dance promo where it was always preceded by a '"cattle call" lineup of all the girls on the main stage. A dancer and I commiserated before the call for the lineup started about our mutual dislike for the promo, which prompted her to suggest a trip to the VIP area (the only way dancers on duty were exempted from the lineup & promo). While the bewildered masses were busy on the main floor, we had the VIP area to ourselves. She was eager to show me her appreciation for her "rescue." Worth every penny.

Not sure about my record for consecutive lappers but normally I don't do more than 4-6 (max) before I'm ready either to take things to VIP, or take a break. Depending how much energy she puts into her LDs, most dancers seem happy to pause and get off their feet for a few minutes (it helps to make clear that you intend it as a break, not that you're done spending time - or more importantly money - on her). Cost per dance definitely affects the total, although there are diminishing returns - I have no interest in the 2 minute/$5 per "song" favored by some urban clubs. And I've seen relatively upscale clubs do a "dollar dance" promotion with all dancers giving 30-second dances out on the floor for a buck each - the vibe was more like a three-legged race at a middle school field day than what I want in a strip club experience.

Think your list covers all the "must-see" Atlanta clubs unless you're particularly interested in the 'urban' vibe. The only area for a mixed crowd you might want to browse that isn't already on your list is the Fulton Industrial area. It's been a long time since my last trip but Fannies and Riley's Showbar might turn up something of interest (or you can be a baller and pop into Babes and make it rain). Pay no attention to Shadow about Oasis, as long as you carry a minimum of 15 pieces of flair at all times.

Soft 6 on appearance. Loses points for the ink. Loses any interest whatsoever by dancing in Nashville. If she's got a decent personality and I ran into her on a Follies residency she might bump up to a 7.

Subra's got it right, although if the gal in question is within a year of her 18th birthday you'll need to see ar least birth month as well. Another option would be the "Juice Test." Offer to take her out for some "chackin fangers" - if she asks what toy will come with her meal, she's off limits.

Not 100% clear what "daytime hours" means, but keep in mind LA traffic can turn what should be a 20 minute drive into 2 hours of gridlock. As for club recommendations, Bare Elegance in Hawthorne is right next to LAX. Closer to Santa Monica, 4Play is a highly rated spot (though I can't confirm from personal experience). Tons of other options depending on your price range and preferences, try out the TUSCL map function.

I'd say at least 2 of 3 dancers I've met that have referenced being students actually were (in cases I have any means to verify). Statistically I suspect the percentage actually in school at least part time is high, but the graduation rates are probably abysmal.

+1 to grand1511 I suspect the vast majority of references you see to porn starlets are specific to their looks and/or performance on screen, not necessarily a specific desire to be with these women IRL. And while porn actresses benefit from makeup and lighting to look better on film than they would running out for groceries, the same has to be said for dancers. As for the notion of going "where no man has gone before," hold on to whatever fallacies you like, but the chances of hooking up with a virgin dancer are virtually nil. And while you certainly have a better shot at finding a "low mileage" dancer than a "low mileage" porn actress, keep in mind porn stars are tested regularly as part of their job so chances are higher you'd bring home a social disease from a stripper or civilian.

Elaborating on Papi's explanation, the City of Doraville annexed the land which included Oasis Goodtime Emporium several years ago (the club had operated for decades on unicorporated Dekalb County land). The City, in its infinite wisdom, then passed a ban on alcohol and nude dancing in the same establishment, which was functionally intended to shut the club down - in the Atlanta market, with exception of one "bikini" club catering to urban clientele, all the clubs have full nudity and full alcohol service. Economically offering no booze or less than full nudity wouldn't be viable for long against local competition. The nude dancing/alcohol ban has since been the subject of a series of court battles (most of which have not favored the club to date) but while the litigation continues OGE has made some adjustments to its operations to bolster the argument that rather than a strip club, it is actually a "nude cabaret." Associated changes include: - While dancing on stage or giving a table dance, each dancer has to keep a prop (boa, fan, etc.) in her hand at all times (in-house they refer to this as "flair") - At least a couple of times every night shift, the main stages are shut down and a side stage is used for an elaborate, theatrical striptease performance by a featured entertainer (earlier in the history of this battle the club had aerialists perform a routine suspended from the ceiling above the main stage, but rumor has it those acts didn't make enough in tips to keep it up) - Not directly related to the legal situation per se, dances on the floor can no longer be considered true "lap dances" - now they are generally table dances only, and mostly air; the VIP booths have also had "vision panels" added so a bouncer could stand and look in on the booth without pulling open the curtain

Giving benefit of doubt that this isn't a catfish scenario - congratulations on being the first would-be dancer to post here that actually did so *before* a rising chorus of "show us your tits." For those confused by "70EE" breasts (which may have seemed disappointingly small), the OP is obviously using metric/European measurements. A 70 (cm) EE is closest to our classic 32DD. The height/weight are roughly equal to 5'-4"/114 lbs. So the pics match the stats, and more importantly to Ms. NTMY the stats add up to a quite pleasing figure. Nothing wrong with your breasts, or the rest of what's visible. Depending on the type of club you want to work at and how selective they are, they may want you to tone up a bit, but I'd venture to say the majority of clubs would be happy to hire a gal with your body exactly as-is.