When doing ITC do you ....
skibum609
Massachusetts
....always negotiate a price/act up front or wing it? I have negotiated up front maybe 6 times lifetime and in the cr probably another 6. The other 10,000 times I winged it, but not since Tuesday. I enjoy not knowing and would rather settle for a full contact dance without extras than take all the soul out of it and negotiate it like I was leasing a car. Tuesday even though we hadn't even done a topless dance before we never even mentioned price, as I just added a tip when I paid her. Daty led to bbbjcim without a mention of cash, so for me it was a grand slam. What about all y'all?
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There is a mixed-dive I hit where dances are done in private-curtained booths so in that situation I usually wing-it since I'm not big into extras thus I'll go for a lap-dance then get horny and extras ensue from there usually w/o prices being discussed since I know the club well and know the going-rates - but again if a hefty room-fee is involved then I pre-negotiate especially if unfamiliar w/ the club and/or dancers.
This hasn't led to any major acts yet but I may get "a hand on my pants" a tit in my mouth. There is some plausible deniability left for her. Ooopsie! I'm so clumsy, haha! It allows a dancer some scraps of dignity to not have been paid to do extras. And long term, it may be cheaper for me to get her to view it as all part of our participation together.
If I already know the girl - then there’s a reason why I keep coming back.
So far I have had one experience where there was no negotiation on price. It just happened to be the first time I went to a club seeking extras. The dancer was low-volume and doesn't get solicited for extras very often. There was no discussion about a price before going to the VIP. She delivered as promised, but she did not ask for any money after we left the VIP. I still paid her because it is the right thing to do.
The reason? What does she have to prove if she knows what she's getting? What if you get in the back and she's really lame? Not to mention, I find it more exciting to not know where things are going to go.
Of course, I only get to extras clubs once or twice a year. It's like a special treat when I can go, so I'm willing to pay a premium. If I went more regularly, I might work harder at mastering the art of negotiation.
I've considered "going nuts" and not negotiating to keep things a little more spontaneous. That's not my way, normally. We'll see.
Now, I did buy a 2 y/o CPO Subaru Imprezza (non-turbo), manual transmission . Getting a "new" car where I don't have to worry if the original owner followed maintenance is a good idea. The Tuscl hive was right about that. I plan to drive it into the ground (to 275,ooo miles).
For some reasons I thought all of the VIP rooms were $300 plus $200 tip for FS. Thanks for the clarification.
Here in Midwest-a-stan with Saria Law they have to wear 4 articles of clothing, fully covered, no contact. Or they can wear pasties and a thong but then they have to be 2 feet in the air (dance on a crate) and 2 feet away from us.
Much like here in the Bay Area I never go to clubs. You can certainly get more than an air dance but they still just suck to me. The talent isn't there and when you do find a 7 or 8 her dances suck because she makes money just off her hotness. That's why I haven't been to an SF club in over 4 years.
My first visit to an extras club was just last month and the only knowledge I had was from postings by you fine gentlemen. Still, I was kind of in shock by how straight forward the girls are. There was no *hinting* of extras. It was a Paradise handshake followed by "you can fuck me in the back room for $200". From EVERY girl. I didn't try negotiating any lower price I was just excited to even get such an offer. Like Anonymous Jim said, if I lived in those areas with extras clubs and paid frequent visits maybe then I'd try to negotiate.
Seriously though, it depends on multiple factors, including:
1) The dancer: is she new to me? How hot is she? Has there been a rapport established, or is the conversation just her standard script/sales pitch?
2) The price: Even if I'm playing the level of services by ear, it's just asking for disappointment to not be clear on the expected price. Even in clubs where the "standard" rates are well established, you'll still get an occasional gal with GPS that expects more than market rate - and waiting til you're done is just asking for drama.
In the other hand, if I know the price is one I feel is easily affordable, I'm open to not talking about any additional details and just letting things happen.
3) The club: if I've been before (or done my research here) I should have a much better idea on the odds of getting what I deem appropriate value for my dollar.
3) The market: in some cities (e.g. Nashville) the clubs are universally low-mileage/overpriced, vs. others (Detroit) that the standard level of service in pretty much any club make disappointment unlikely.