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11 years ago
Only scamming I can see for lap dances is trying to overcharge you for more dances than actually given. Unfortunately there are lots of girls who try to get away with this shit.
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11 years ago
Yeah this is pretty common. I wouldn't say it really "does" anything for me but its a welcomed practice. I am way past the point where merely holding a girls hand is something actually notable about a strip club experience though.
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11 years ago
In Manhattan a lot of strippers have drivers or split cabs with each other if going to nearby destinations. In queens many of them actually drive or even use just use the subway (at least on the way there, maybe not always for leaving).
I have noticed even outside of NYC a lot of strippers also just split cabs or drive.
I have taken a stripper out of a club in a cab before. Even right in front of one of the bouncers. Not all clubs actually care much. The thought of the manager driving the stripper sounds like bullshit. It is possible the manager arranges for drivers or cabs though.
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11 years ago
It happens. No matter how much experience you have, sometimes you can't discern an ROB. It's just part of the hobby, don't let it get you down.
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11 years ago
would not suggest sapphire in manhattan. management is not cool with touching outside of private room areas. the girls at sapphire are pretty hot, but overall, you'll see practically as good girls and better mileage at flashdancers. of course, this is if you decided to stay in manhattan.
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11 years ago
Stay out of Manhattan as much as possible and focus on Queens.
Galllaghers is consistently decent, and at least better than Manhattan clubs. Scandals allows plenty of touching and ITC/carry out might be possible. Sin City in the Bronx seems to be pretty chill as well.
Just stay out of Manhattan, unless all you want is eye candy.
discussion comment
12 years ago
http://www.twosheds.com/clubBB/viewtopic.php?t=15985&p=95611
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12 years ago
I have also seen to some degree success stories from younger guys gaining some degree of confidence from strip clubs; you aren't so intimidated of talking to a good looking girl in normal settings when it happens so easily in a strip club anyways. This isn't a factor for everyone, but it can make a difference.
So there are some positive aspects of having strip clubs as a "part of your life" as a young guy so to speak, it's just important to keep it in moderation.
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12 years ago
I am a younger guy like you and also frequent strip clubs. You have to understand what strip clubs ultimately are, and not use them as a replacement for things that civilian dating would be better suited for. I personally have a very busy lifestyle between work and school, and on some level the commitment of having a girlfriend right now isn't going to work. So I satisfy my needs my going to strip clubs.
You say you are getting sex from strippers for free, which is honestly quite phenomenal. I only have one such story that may come sort of close to that, but even then I wouldn't actually call it free as there were other expenses involved leading up to it.
Anyway, just don't let the strip club scene distort your vision and have you miss out of on civilian experiences - this is the age when they are most possible and probably the most fun as well. At the same time, the sheer existence of strip clubs in your mind can prevent you from getting too caught up on any single civilian girl and probably prevent you from being too emotionally invested. In some ways, this is a good thing. Some civie girl is being bitch? Just go fuck a stripper and forget about her for a night. Not a bad solution :)
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12 years ago
One thing that I have observed from the industry over the last few years is that sex and extras when not combined with any level of GFE can be had very cheap. On the other hand, GFE and fantasized affection when done extremely well is probably one of the most costly things in this industry. And there's a reason for that, it's actually the thing that is most sought after by men who have the largest funds. And it's sought after because it's certainly true that really good GFE is very memorable. Just cumming is only a temporary pleasure/release.
Everybody has a different viewpoint on strippers and prostitutes though. Some people prefer not to attach any emotional to it at all. I've tried going down that road, and it just takes too much away from the experience for me, and I just don't like it that much. GFE sex is the way to go, absolutely. Even a GFE sort of vibe without extras can be fun. DFK, etc with a hot young chick can be mind-blowing.
What it comes down to is - are you addicted to women, or are you addicted to sex? For me, it's women, and I am very content just spending a nice evening next to a beautiful girl - sex is the icing on the cake. The dancers who make the most money are the ones who cater to this kind of guy, too.
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12 years ago
It took me a long time of going to strip club to completely understand, but some women are able to provide such good company to a man that it may very well be worth the price of admission to VIP (and then some) without any extras being involved.
I would personally prefer if extras are involved, and I'm also not the kind of person who goes to VIP often to begin with, but I can understand the standpoint that some guys are coming from.
At the end of the day, if a guy goes into VIP and walks out feeling very good, he's done well. Some girls can make a guy feel very good without extras.
Some guys are just in it for the extras and could care less about any fantasized affection, etc. What I tell people is sex is honestly quite cheap, fantasized affection (when done well) on the other hand is very expensive.
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12 years ago
I'd clarify what that actually included the dancers, because $1000 in some places isn't even enough to cover a single dancer's shift. But if we're talking about a really small club in a more remote area, I could see the $1000-2000 range being a big enough budget.
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12 years ago
Another example - there's girls who are easily 8-9/10's offering FS for under $100 in places like Tijuana (although there are also some not so great looking girls there, but that's beside the point). The area you're in makes a huge difference- local laws, economic conditions, type of clientele etc.
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12 years ago
One of the most important things to understand about strip clubs is that the price for services is going to be based upon not only demand but also the economic conditions of the area. Even if you're a beautiful girl (e.g. 9/10, or even 10/10) and you live in Detroit working as a stripper, you'd probably have to do some degree of extras to get by, as it's simply an expected level of service from the clientele at the clubs. But take the same girl and throw her in some glitzy NYC (particularly Manhattan) club and she'll barely even have to allow touching, nevermind extras, to make good money.
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12 years ago
In a strip club - it's really more of a 'payer' than a 'player'
Nothing wrong with that, as long as you know what you're getting into.
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12 years ago
Whenever a dancer does something like that it just totally ruins the moment/kills the fantasy. I would have probably left at that point, or at least found another more chill dancer.
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12 years ago
At the end of the day the way strip clubs operate, even if they hire a girl who isn't very good looking relative to other dancers, she isn't going to make it very far. The system regulates itself as the girls who aren't up to par won't be able to make tip out (unless they start offering serious extras), and thus will be forced to leave.
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12 years ago
Generally, the price of lap dances also needs to be paid as a base, and any services rendered above and beyond a dance are where the tips come into play. But the key here is to negotiate with the girl upfront, as if you agree to a large number of dances like 10, you might have to pay less on top of that for FS.
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12 years ago
Strip clubs don't necessarily have to have any prostitution going on. Some of the dancers that turn the most money from this business haven't even directly touched a single dick.
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12 years ago
She's stunning, I agree. And lately i've been more into brunettes, but this blonde is certainly beautiful.
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12 years ago
Only for a few years? Body wise, I've known strippers who have stayed in shape for 10-15 years. Some even still look quite sexy overall, even with age. Not true of all, but still it applies to many of them.
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12 years ago
I have the opposite situation, where dancers sometimes comment on how smooth my skin is. lol. Apparently I have 'soft' hands. *shrug* One of the entertaining things about strip clubs is the compliments that dancers find for you - they're occasionally very random things that you'd never thought about.
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12 years ago
It's tougher to get non-rushed service out of Adelita Bar. Some people have more look doing that in Hong Kong where they sort of sit and develop some degree of connection with the girl first.