Am I headed down the wrong road?
Clackport
Washington
Strippers have what I desire- great bodies and great in the bedroom. I don't have a high paying job, but I'm usually able to get what I want in the strip club without spending too much. I usually just go in, find the hottest stripper, have good conversation with her, buy her a couple of drinks, get 2 or 3 lapdances from her and then convince her to come back to my place for sex (although lots of times it takes more than one visit to get her back to my place. All this usually costs anywhere from 80 to 100 bucks. All the OTC I've gotten has been free (I would estimate like 10 to 15 strippers), however there have definitely been some strippers that insist I pay for the sex, I just tell them no, and I move on to the next girl. There have been plenty of times I left the strip club without getting pussy later on because I refused to pay for sex. If I started to do the sex for money thing I wouldn't be able to afford it due to my low paying job. The point is my strip club addiction is not putting a dent in my savings account.
I definitely know some hot civilian girls, but I don't like waiting for sex, and some of these civilian girls will make you wait a month or two before they give it up. WTF? Also I've known some hot civilian girls with their clothes on, but their body is underwhelming to me when I take their clothes off in the bedroom. At least with strippers you know what you're working with right away. The crazy thing is every single stripper I've been with has had major issues, but yet I still go after strippers.
I know some of you have done the marriage thing, didn't work out (got divorced), and that's why you're visiting the strip clubs. I know some of you are married, but your wife won't give it up anymore, so that's why you're visiting the strip clubs. My situation is very different than most of my fellow TUSCLers.
Am I headed down the wrong road? Should I get some help? Someone my age should not be visiting the strip clubs as regularly as I do. I should be at the nightclubs and the bars. I should not be fucking with all these strippers with crazy issues. I should be looking for someone that is going somewhere in their life, like nursing school or something.
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Hold on a minute – I am not addicted to strip clubs - I just can’t stop :)
You are exactly right, its an addiction for you, and with most addictions, you will eventually suffer a painful withdrawal.
But you probably don't care right now.
Sometimes free isn’t really free
1. Mix it up. See strippers and civies at the same time.
2. Divert some of that energy into making more money; new job training, go back to school part-time.
3. I'm relatively young and kinda new to the strip club chase. In a transition to getting my own place, which hindered a few possible OTCs. But after reading some of the messages on here--I'm thinking I should at least see her at a hotel before taking her back to my place. Have you had any bad experiences taking girls back to your place?
But the point is moot since I don't believe you're routinely getting free sex from different strippers.
Only two ways in my opinion can this be true (Free sex regularly)
1. A cop implying he can help her out if she ever needs it (kinda saw that scenario play out once).
2. You have drugs available for her.
Not to come off as a hater, but pulling that off regularly for FREE, there has to be something in it for her in other ways.
jester is right about one thing though, if you're pulling strippers that easily, you should have no problem picking up hot civilian girls- and they don't have the issues that comes with a stripper.
Whenever you're concerned that you may be doing the wrong thing, I suggest it's important to ask yourself, who are you hurting? I don't see that you're hurting anyone by never getting married (or otherwise committed to a woman). If you talk yourself into a commitment that your heart is not really in, you're very likely going to hurt that woman and make her feel betrayed. If you do decide to commit to someone, I suggest being honest about any doubts you have, so she knows what kind of risk she's taking.
Many people would say humans are too dumb and/or subjective and selfish to decide right and wrong for themselves, they need to follow traditional morality (generally supposedly provided by God). Some truth to that, but, problem is, doesn't allow for changing circumstances. Only fucking one person your whole life is no longer remotely necessary or the best way to make sure that children are loved and well cared for.
In life it's rarely a good idea to only have Plan A. You want at least Plan B, and maybe C, D, E, etc. Your Plan A could maybe be, find a very special woman (some chance she could even be a stripper!). One who doesn't have hang-ups about sex being "dirty", nor sees it as a way to manipulate men. Also, her life is not a circus. Only join a circus cause you like circuses, not to try and shut it down. Maybe you need this woman to accept an open relationship. Maybe you need her to accept that, if/when she loses her looks, that will be the end of the sexual part of your love for her. One maybe hard question is, are you willing to accept everything you're asking her to accept?
Since this Plan A is a long-shot, you'd need a strong plan B. Which could simply be, keep doing what you're doing.
In any case, you don't need to decide now. You can wait till you're 35 to get married, longer if you don't want to have kids. Sounds like you need to get your income up before thinking about having kids anyway.
Yeah, I'd like to have his "problem". :-)
Based on what you said, I think it boils down to this: do you want a relationship with a girl? If your answer is yes, then you should reevaluate your time spent on hobbling vs. chasing civies. (I'm not that much older than you, but I'm not really looking for a relationship. Honestly, I've given up hope that I have what it takes to make a relationship work. I function so much better as a single dude, it just doesn't make sense to me anymore to bother with trying the relationship thing. The ATF thing was working well for awhile. Had some fun without any serious relationship overhead.)
Since you are in PDX, I would tend to think you'd have a better than average chance of finding a stripper who's got something else going on for herself school or career wise. I know others on here will disagree with that, but PDX seemed to me to be liberal enough and frankly high enough volume that you'd get more dancer with there life together, but I've been wrong before. You seem like a good guy, so I wish you all the luck in finding the holy grail of a stripper with her act together.
other thoughts:
Whether or not you change from stripper to civies, don't always blow off your friends. Spending time with you friends and having those memories and experiences with your friends will mean a lot to you in a few years.
Yep. And the guy above who said they won't do it unless there was some of reward. Hello? The reward is girls like to fuck too. Especially at that age.
I think guys like jestie are just jealous. Well, I'm jealous too, but at least I don't let that objectivity translate into conspiracy theories that anyone that age who is scoring free OTC is lying. (Now guys like alutard, and tittyfuck. Stupid 58 y/o fucks claimed the same, that one is a bit harder to believe... :-) )
You say you are getting sex from strippers for free, which is honestly quite phenomenal. I only have one such story that may come sort of close to that, but even then I wouldn't actually call it free as there were other expenses involved leading up to it.
Anyway, just don't let the strip club scene distort your vision and have you miss out of on civilian experiences - this is the age when they are most possible and probably the most fun as well. At the same time, the sheer existence of strip clubs in your mind can prevent you from getting too caught up on any single civilian girl and probably prevent you from being too emotionally invested. In some ways, this is a good thing. Some civie girl is being bitch? Just go fuck a stripper and forget about her for a night. Not a bad solution :)
So there are some positive aspects of having strip clubs as a "part of your life" as a young guy so to speak, it's just important to keep it in moderation.
1. As far as routinely getting it for free, I wouldn't say that. When I do get it, it is for free. That is because I reject it anytime they want me to pay for sex. I don't go to the club every week and get free pussy. Let me stress again that there are plenty of nights that I leave the club with no pussy for later. But yeah I would estimate I've fucked like 10-15 strippers for free. Who cares if you get it for free or if you pay for it? The bottom line is you're getting what you want. Me pointing out I get it for free I'm just making my point that my strip club addiction is not hurting me financially. I don't know how some of you thought getting it for free was the main point of this discussion.
2. I don't where I stated I can't get the civilian girls. Can someone point that out to me? I said they make me wait a month or two for the sex, and I'm impatient.
@sonic- no bad experiences at my place so far. I do smoke a little weed, so yeah sometimes they do smoke some of my weed at my house.
@tortillachip- wow you actually said something that didn't have to do with Alucard! I'm impressed.
Jester being a hater? I didn't see that coming. LOL. He's probably just mad that's he young and he can't get it for free. If you can't get it for free when you're young, you'll never be able to get it for free.
Right now I make 40,000 a year, but I'm working on my graduate degree in Heath Care administration, so we'll see where that goes.
Even though I'm as white as there can possibly be, I totally agree with the saying "ain't trickin' if you got it."
If guy has it (game) then it doesn't matter if he pays or not. He does not lose "it". So he doesn't care. As for those who ain't got it, paid versus didn't pay makes a world or two of difference.
I've also witnessed way to many guys fall flat on their face trying to do this to believe it's working for anyone regularly.
Most importantly if ranuk is young, attractive and charming enough to pick up gorgeous women with ease out of a strip club why not find a more normal avenue to do it, probably for less money?
The only reason this isn't suspicious to some of you is the same reason many of you believe every screen name purporting to be a woman is actually a female, you want it to be true.
Now perhaps I'm wrong and he's a Brad Pitt lookalike with a John Holmes size penis OR his "not high paying" job is that of coke dealer. But I'll err on the side of this not being accurate.
I find your claims to be likely exaggerated or missing crucial information as they run counter to what I've seen over the years in strip clubs. If that makes me a "hater" then so be it.
And for the record, if civilian girls are making you wait a month you need to find some new ones.
Most strippers I've followed get out of this phase with time, and become normal citizens, so I'm optimistic. Some never do, however. (Or "some will win, some will lose, some are born to sing the blues" as Journey put it. :-) ) Customers/junkies I feel less optimistic about, because the mind gets less plastic as we get older.
Some have a "three week" rule. If they real like the guy they make him wait three weeks for a couple of reasons - don't want him to think they are sluts, want to see how serious he is. Same girls might just fuck a guy they don't like before that since they don't see it going beyond a fling. Maybe if the girls are making ranukam wait, it's because they like him? (Could it be? Nah. Always got to be the bleakest interpretation, right, jestie?)
Most people your age don't have their careers figured out. I'm not that much older than you and while I have a very good job, I routinely think about making a change into something I think would be more enjoyable.
Unless actively visiting strip clubs would hinder a healthcare administrator's career, then I would suggest you can keep the clubs and focus on your career at the same time.
I'm a bit older than you (early 30's), but have never really been concerned with my frequents. That being said, I would never date a dancer, or even want her over at my house for that matter. Any girl who will fuck for money is a prostitute bottom line. Just because you're not having to pay doesn't mean a guy your fathers age isn't paying.
I mentioned moderation, because if you go clubbing enough your reality of women becomes distorted. 9/10 of these girls are narcissistic conniving whores who have no soul. However, they are great at satisfying one's carnal needs..
Treat these visits purely as fantasy, and you won't have a problem. See the club for what it is.
ranukam - just the fact that you would even question all of this indicates that you are aware and engaged and I wouldn't worry since you're obviously not breaking the bank getting dancers. It sounds like you've got a pretty good handle on things. Enjoy it while you can!
A large minority of strippers are very hostile people, generally due to their miserable lives. Their desire to crap on your day is often stronger than their desire to make $$$. Most of the rest, as is typical of commissioned sales people, have gotten very comfortable and good at lying. But adjectives like "conniving" only apply based on the falsehood that the rest of us are as pure as the driven snow. There are a fair number of strippers who know how to manage their money and are not compulsive spenders. Since they don't feel the same desperation for money, they don't become dishonest and hard-hearted. A more enlightened society would admire the way strippers tolerate the pawings and shriveled penises of icky old men, in the same way it admires those who change the bed pans of the bedridden.
Stripping is kinda like construction work. The work isn't steady, and the working conditions can be hard. So you get a lot of drunks, ex-cons and such, more than the typical occupation. But don't dump on strippers because they're women and they have no problem with casual sex. If doing that makes sense to you, you're an idiot who'll believe anything just because you hear it repeated often enough.
Is that what you look for in a guy, jester? Is that what it says on your OK Cupid profile: "Must look like Brad Pitt and have a cock like John Holmes. Or be a small time Coke Dealer."?
We're the same age, ranukam, and that's a question I've asked myself before. The last time I got ITC I left thinking "what am I doing here?". At the end of the day it's all just for fun. I don't think of it as anything else. Sometimes I'll shoot hoops, or chill with friends, or go to the SC, or whatever I feel like doing for fun at that moment.
As far as effortless sex goes: sometimes it doesn't even require crazy game. It's right place, right time. Being that he's there once a week, it wouldn't be so crazy for him to have those kind of numbers. The problem with some guys is this kind of thing is so far out of their reality that they couldn't even imagine scoring like that. So they don't.
1. A cop implying he can help her out if she ever needs it (kinda saw that scenario play out once).
2. You have drugs available for her."
He said that they smoke some of his weed, lol. Youth, good looks and free weed; I can believe it now, lol.
But I will say that I think one visit a week is a little excessive, and I do agree that some of your attention might be better off focused on other things. But as long as you're aware that it's an issue I think you'll be fine. It's when you convince yourself that you don't have a problem that it'll start to really blow up. Keep it in mind and try to keep it in check, but as long as you're still sociable in your everyday life, you'll find a girl you're willing to wait for, haha.
Sorry, jestie, but despite whatever your mommy is saying to comfort you "janitor" is not a very good job.
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" 9/10 of these girls are narcissistic conniving whores who have no soul. However, they are great at satisfying one's carnal needs..
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Hey, someone who gets the basics! Very nice to see. Welcome!
(To be very pedantic I think 9/10 are narcissistic or have sibling cluster B disorders.)
im in my 30s and have a somewhat established career path now.
my question is what kind of clubs are you frequenting regularly.
if they are barlike clubs i would say thats not an issue ... i stop at my local topless dive 1 or 2 times a week for a drink, chat, and some titties.
if you are going clubbing then i would be careful, it sounds like you are within your means but that can slip away fast.
take a look at your 5, 10 and long term plans .. ultimately life is about being happy.
And why do you jump to the worst possible interpretation of everything? Because you want it to be true? Why? Because it jibes with your inner disposition to want to hate everything. And why do you do that? Probably due to your upbringing and inconsistent parenting. Time to move on jestie. The world is not as bleak a place as you think it is. Try smiling and laughing (and not at others expense) once in a while. Go have sex with a girl without paying for it. Just because someone says something out them that is a little of ordinary (i.e. ranukam has sex with strippers pretty often, Carolynne is female but still provide of being a massive slut) doesn't mean they are lying. Not everyone fits into some cookie-cutter mold and deserves to because they don't.
Jester214, as I said I know several strippers outside of work and every one of them except one is sexually active. One who is ultra low mileage when she's stripping complains that her boyfriend wants sex less than she does. Why do I believe them? I've met most of their boyfriends. Am I the one that they're sleeping with? Unfortunately not. That doesn't mean that some of them don't go home with other men who they meet while they're stripping. Men who are a lot younger and better looking than I am I might add.
Canny I don't deny that strippers are sexually active just like other women. But that alone doesn't mean they are routinely walking out of the clubs with random customers for free. And even if it does happen I'll still doubt that the same guy is pulling it off even infrequently.
And what makes you think that was a gay joke? I've always thought you were really a girl posting as a guy. The only reason you being a guy isn't suspicious to some of the posters is the same reason many of them believe every screen name purporting to be a woman is actually a female, they want it to be true.
If you wanna do this we can do it, fart eater. But let's not flame out another thread.
While I'm same age as you, I don't fuck them for free, I'm not a good looking guy nor I take care of myself, but I make good money so I'm not ashamed to say that. Most of what I can get outside of strip club is ugly, and I don't like ugly girls, my choices are limited, but we're all dealt with a deck of cards so I'm just playing out mine.
I don't need to "do this", you destroy your own credibility with "witty" one liners like that.
Buuuutttt...lol You need to AddreSS the other thing...I'm ASSking you: are you a guy or a girl?
Besides, don't act like you don't know the history BEHIND "Fart eater". That's what makes it so funny.
But your one liners like "brown noser" enhance yours jestie? Ok. WHATEVER you say... (Also curious what age people use the phrase "brown noser" at?)
You think 40 grand a year is a low paying job for someone who is only 24 years old in an terrible economy? Lol. I couldn't disagree more.
Most people who are making much more than that are older. You don't start at the top. Now, if he was 40, perhaps it's a low paying job, but at 24 years old? Hell nah.
GoVikes, I wish I was making that much right now.
Not that 40k is a "good" salary per se, but it's a great starting point for a young person in the work force.
I would just second what others have suggested w.r.t. moderation.
We all go to the SC for the sexaul gratification in which ever form we undertake. So what you are doing is no different than what most of us do in terms of SCing execept you are in the rare minority of scoring w/ strippers for free.
You being 24 and liking hot naked women and wanting to have sex with as many as you can is the norm and not the exception. Most 24 year old guys don’t have as much sex as you b/c they can’t; not b/c it’s a “bad thingâ€.
Having said this, priorities are priorities and one needs to take care of first things first. Hanging around strippers and SCs too much can potentiallhy be detremintal if one needs to focus their time and energy on other important things such as establishing one self in their career.
As long as you see it (strippers/SCs) for what it is (and what it is not) and take care of what is really important, then you shouldn’t beat yourself up about it too much. Sex is a need that cannot (and perhaps should not) be denied – especially in your 20s. the only thing you are guilty off is having a sex drive and being able to do somehting about it – just keep things in prespective.
Liking and wanting sex is a need that does not go away until it is satisfied – it is like our need for food.
And these #s are for *households* - so being single (no dependents, i.e. no wife/kids) and making ~$40k/year may put one in a bit better position than many (although it means you can’t SC like a whale though, or any other very large marine mammal :))
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_i…
I'd work on my "game" or something.
@dalex- txtittyfag has another alias. Her name is Vivi24. Vivi is a off and on dancer. Vivi got mad with the way we portrayed dancers, so she decided to create the account txtittyfag to try to make fun of us. I'm willing to bet Vivi fucks for money. Vivi err txtittyfag is referring to me when she says rankyass.
I think we all know whose "alias" that is.
I was going to say have fun while you can. Maybe one day you'll figure out what you want. I would try to be careful about std's. The other thing I would be careful about is letting some dancers get you alone and take advantage of the situation. You don't want to pick up a std with a dancer you never cared about in the first place. Some dancers can be very aggressive and persistent. The other thing I might get concerned with is if a dancer seems to be getting a lot more attached than you want. If she says she likes you better than all the other guys she's known, watch out. Probaby just a matter of time before she finds someone else though if you maintain your distance and only treat her like a fuck buddy. Maybe.
This thread had everything you need in a good TUSCL thread. It had trolls (txtittyfag and tortillachip). It had spammers (NorrisJordan). It had conspiracy theorists (Jester214). It had flame wars. It had great insight. I think the only thing missing is juice.
Very Very entertaining.