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Any Strippers Making Bank Without Doing Extras or Scamming Customers?

I think that most strippers who are top earners are either doing extras (ITC or OTC) or are scamming there customers in some way (consciously manipulating them into thinking there is the possibility of OTC sex and/or a relationship (friend…

Admiral Theatre

Chicago, Illinois

Hadn't been here in a while...

Hadn't been here in a while and I wasn't disappointed with the return. This place is the class of the strip clubs in the area. Yeah, the mileage isn't good, but then again…

PT's All Nude II

Denver, Colorado

The last time I was here,...

The last time I was here, nothing had improved, and probably things have slipped. The girls are pretty friendly, but the overall condition of the club can be best described as shabby. No…

Brad's Brass Flamingo

Indianapolis, Indiana

I figured I better chime in...

I figured I better chime in on this one considering that this is the one I go to most. This place has the working man in mind. You can always find a free pass in…

Lookers Gentleman's Bar

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

well i went to the JOD...

well i went to the JOD last wed night..very nice ladies although they need to tame there drinking just a little bit and the bartender should learn to cut the girls off she did…

Rick's Cabaret Houston Intercontinental

Houston, Texas

I haven't been to Rick's since...

I haven't been to Rick's since it was on Richmond years ago. At that time, it was the hottest club around. But as its ego outgrews its delivery of special treats, I went…

Flash Dancers

Tampa, Florida

I was there about a...

I was there about a month ago. We were in the VIP area drinking all night. A nice time. The girls ranged from pretty to Hot and 2 or 3 just ugly also not…

Rumorz

Weirton, West Virginia

The main club has moved upstairs...

The main club has moved upstairs to a new area. Entrance is now on Main street and now down the stairs. You enter into a corner of the club with the bar…

Allstar's Gentlemens Club

Northlake, Illinois

I was in town for one...

I was in town for one night and my hotel was just down the street from the Allstar so I thought I'd pop in for a visit. They are not kidding when they say…

Centerfolds

Louisville, Kentucky

Was in downtown Louisville last Saturday...

Was in downtown Louisville last Saturday night and decided to try Centerfolds. There are three clubs together on Chestnut, but I think they are all independent. The sign mentioned a 5 dollar cover…

TD's Showclub North

Albuquerque, New Mexico

I usually go to TD's on...

I usually go to TD's on Thurs or Fri night, but on my last trip to Albuquerque in May, I decided to try it for lunch on Fri. I'd heard they have good food,…

Tootsie's Cabaret

Miami, Florida

This club will be moving to...

This club will be moving to a new location just about a mile or so south. There is a room to the right of the entrance that has the blueprints on the wall and a…

Showgirl Video

Las Vegas, Nevada

Showgirl Video is literally what the...

Showgirl Video is literally what the name implies - a video/DVD store, that happens to have some "old style" peep shows in the back. Interesting reminder of the old days, when many cities had…

Oasis

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

Went to the club, as I...

Went to the club, as I was on my way to Airport on I-95. Drink price is $4, and lap dance is $20. Te club atmosphere is nice, and though it was around 5:00 PM,…

The Men's Club Flint

Flint, Michigan

Not a very high rating, but...

Not a very high rating, but that might be my fault. Stopped in here yesterday after a few years hiatus. Saw one familiar face and realized how friggin' old I'm getting. Drinks were $4.00…

Jiggles

Tualatin, Oregon

Jiggles is getting to be an...

Jiggles is getting to be an OK club. Visited on a Friday around 5. Half a dozen customers, a dozen girls. Only had time for two dances, with different girls, and…

The Crazy Horse

San Francisco, California

This place is not as seedy...

This place is not as seedy as the other Market Street clubs, but is not exactly the Taj Mahal either. Some very attractive and friendly girls, some high pressure saleswomen. It pays to…

Déjà Vu Colorado Springs

Colorado Springs, Colorado

Visited this club on a Thursday...

Visited this club on a Thursday night about a month ago while on vacation in the area. Reasonably full but still plenty of places to sit. Not too easy to find if you are unfamiliar…

Lenny's

Indianapolis, Indiana

I have been going to this...

I have been going to this club since I began college in 1989 and I love it. Call it sentimenal but I always have a good time here. The girls are not classic beauties,…

Mynx Cabaret Hartford

Hartford, Connecticut

Went to this club on a...

Went to this club on a wednesday night. First I went in the alcohol serving side and paid a cover charge but was stamped so I could also enter the nude side. Drinks are a…

Cheaters

Providence, Rhode Island

About a month back (May) I...

About a month back (May) I was here on a weekday afternoon. No cover charge and no one at the door checking for ID. The place was pretty busy for an afternoon. The beer…

The Gentleman's Club

Wellford, South Carolina

I went here on a weekend...

I went here on a weekend night and there were about 12 to 15 dancers working. They usually go nude on the second song but that seems to vary a bit from girl to…

La Chambre

Detroit, Michigan

Hard to get to this place...

Hard to get to this place right now because of construction, so the crowds are smaller than usual. This means the dancers are anxious for your business and they don't disappoint. The VIP room is…

Club Bristol

Sun Prairie, Wisconsin

Excellent club. The women are polite...

Excellent club. The women are polite and very generous in what they do for the money you pay. Mariah , Ryan and Jamaica give great lap dances. This is easily the best club within a…

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East coast

I plan on visiting Norfolk,VA next weekend. Where are all the best strip/lapdancing clubs at.

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avoiding the cover charge--getting into clubs for free!

Hi everyone. I do not like to pay cover charges and am wondering whether anyone knows how to get into clubs for free. One way is to show up before a certain time---for example, some clubs don't charge a cover…

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Has this ever happened to you?

When I was in Las Vegas at the Palamino, which wasn't the greatest night of my life, I made the mistake of getting worked up in a place that does not supply happy endings. So since it was dark I…

Baby Dolls

New Carlisle, Ohio

Went on Wednesday night. Nice little...

Went on Wednesday night. Nice little bonus not having to pay $5 to get in. Have to get one drink at $3, but that is still cheaper than other places. It had been about 6-8…

Rick’s Cabaret

Chicago, Illinois

So many better clubs in the...

So many better clubs in the area. Don't bother unless you are drunk downtown. Admiral can get dirty and Industrial is tops in the area.

Baby Dolls

Dallas, Texas

Went to Baby Dolls about a...

Went to Baby Dolls about a month ago on a week night. The place was packed. They had a lot of girls there. Overall, the quality of the girls was good.…

Treasures

Las Vegas, Nevada

The club is easy to see...

The club is easy to see from the I-15. And on the way there, a billboard sits just above another competing stripclub. Talk about competition. But the same entry fee of $20 as the others. Treasures…

Tiffany's

Atlanta, Georgia

Tplace was decent. Especially for...

Tplace was decent. Especially for ATL. I visited Wed. afternoon this week and had a good time. Very laid back and not crowded. No cover during the day & free parking.…

Flamingo Club

Lawrence, Kansas

if you wanna get the good...

if you wanna get the good stuff, go during the day. place is pretty cool at night too, but much more security.

Teddies

Bridgeport, Connecticut

Teddie's is open for business again....

Teddie's is open for business again. Went on a rainy afternoon around 5:00. Only 4 dancers in the place, around 5-7 range. Not…

Oasis

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

Visited again with a friend who...

Visited again with a friend who was in from out of town. He was equally impresses, as my favorites treated my out of town guest fantastic. Seemed to be a little more hustle than I've…

Bear Chest Lounge

Janesville, Wisconsin

Visited this place after a rather...

Visited this place after a rather lame visit to Mee Mees (see review). Serving alcohol is huge plus. Dancers do 2 dances and go fully nude on the 2nd dance. This club…

Rick's

Seattle, Washington

Rick's has always been...

Rick's has always been among my favorite clubs, and my last visit did not disappoint! Generally I visit during the day, but on this trip I went at night. Eye candy…

Rick's

Seattle, Washington

Took in Rick's twice in one...

Took in Rick's twice in one day -- first in mid-afternoon, then returning after midnight. Not to belabor the point, but the difference is night and day. The late night crowd is generally…

Fox's

Tacoma, Washington

Ended up going to Foxes last...

Ended up going to Foxes last Sunday afternoon on my way home from Seattle. Very lo-key and relaxed atmosphere. Good x-section of ladies all of whom were fine examples of womanhood. Had 3 inclose dances…

Wild Cheri Show Club

Indianapolis, Indiana

Was my third stop of the...

Was my third stop of the night. I sometimes stop here as once in a while you may find a diamond in the rough. Not tonight. All i can say is I have never been…

Th' Katch Show Club

Farragut, Tennessee

The music is still too loud....

The music is still too loud. The couches are comfortable for a $25 couch dance, but they're out in the open in front of the bouncers and everyone. The NO touching rules make…

PT's Showclub

Indianapolis, Indiana

This was my second stop of...

This was my second stop of the night. Great looking girls. Probably overall the best looking in Indy. Lots of enhancement here though which is typical for the PT's chain. My only problem with this…

Traffic Light

Mount Clemens, Michigan

Went to the club on Tuesday...

Went to the club on Tuesday afternoon around 1pm and there wasnot very many males in the place. Approximatley 7 girls range ing from a three to an 8 and one goddess named Cindy. If…

Wonderland NYC

New York, New York

I've been back to VIP's a...

I've been back to VIP's a bunch of time since my last review. Until this most recent visit, I would have said "skip it" but this visit once again renewed my enthusiasm for the…

Pantheon Club

Dearborn, Michigan

Went in a few weeks ago,...

Went in a few weeks ago, around happy hour. Pretty dead, but decent girls, all very friendly, most liked to sit around and chat beg you to buy them drinks. Might give this…

Paradise Gentlemen's Club

City of Industry, California

Lots of hot latin ladies, if...

Lots of hot latin ladies, if you like them thick this is the place. Diamond is a blast, she has a vouluptuos body and her specialty in the VIP will blow your mind, it…

Scarlett's Cabaret Denver

Denver, Colorado

I really think they have done...

I really think they have done a lot with this club. With the amount of space and the fully nude upstairs "club," you are going to definately get your money worth. I think the girls…

Palomino

North Las Vegas, Nevada

As much as Penn and Teller...

As much as Penn and Teller love this place there are definately better places in Las Vegas proper. The big problem I had with the palamino is the fact that it is so damn expensive…

Teasers Men's Club

Durham, North Carolina

Very very nice building & bar....

Very very nice building & bar. It really reminded me more of a martini bar than a club. Rumor has it that the owner had aspirations of purchasing the ground-floor and converting it…

TD's Eubank

Albuquerque, New Mexico

Now TD's on Eubank is called...

Now TD's on Eubank is called TD's "Gold"? Give me a break. This has always been the dumpier, lower class of the 2 TD's clubs here in Albuquerque. I guess the owners think giving it…

Sugers

Norman, Oklahoma

The club is very small and...

The club is very small and the staff is very friendly. The reputation of this place is worse than it is; there are several very attractive girls who work here. Place is no contact and…

Sugar's

Seattle, Washington

Last stop on a local club...

Last stop on a local club crawl, and really not the way to cleanse the SC palate at the end of a trek. About four dancers, none to write home about. Like what…

Subi's Place

Southgate, Michigan

Back to Subi's on 6/18/05. Saturday...

Back to Subi's on 6/18/05. Saturday night. Club was pretty dead for a Saturday night. This was good for my buddy and I, as the girls were plentiful. Had a real nice time with Mia.…

Stringfellows

London, England

YEOW.. The best one I have...

YEOW.. The best one I have ever been to. Though the dollar is weak against the pound, it was worth every cent I spent. The ratio of girls to guys was incredible and…

The St. James

Houston, Texas

St James is probably best for...

St James is probably best for those coming and going to Houston Bush airport and in a rush. Overall quality is good as in most of the high-end Houston establishments. Laps are conducted…

Pure Platinum

Wilton Manors, Florida

I've been there twice. Once right...

I've been there twice. Once right after it opened and once a few weeks ago. When it first opened had two of the most beautiful bar tenders in history!! and some great dancers. Went there…

Spearmint Rhino Las Vegas

Las Vegas, Nevada

Good looking girls but the setup...

Good looking girls but the setup is a bit cramped and uncomforatble. A bit "business" there and not what it was sold to me by my local friend. I usually go to Crazy…

Spearmint Rhino Las Vegas

Las Vegas, Nevada

All I can say about this...

All I can say about this place is HARDCORE. Girls are mostly enhanced, but there a few naturals hidden away in places. Place is packed every night. Lots of big parties going…

Southside Johnny's

Greensboro, North Carolina

Went there last weekend, what a...

Went there last weekend, what a good time! There are more hot chicks then before. At least 6 girls were 8 in 1 to 10 scale. While their stage performance varied from person to person,…

Showgirl 20's Night Club

Omaha, Nebraska

Stopped in this evening. The...

Stopped in this evening. The smoke is still a problem here. The ventilation seems to not work. You always walk out of this place smelling like you spent the whole evening there,…

Stiletto

Nanuet, New York

This club gets an 8 for...

This club gets an 8 for being in the NYC area but it would really rate a 6 in some of the better parts of the country. The contact is strickly limited compared to…

Scores Gentleman's Club

New Haven, Connecticut

Went on a Thursday around 6pm....

Went on a Thursday around 6pm. You enter through some kind of cement yard or something. It is a bit wierd, but it has its own parking lot. Pay a $10 cover…

Spearmint Rhino

West Palm Beach, Florida

new club, beatify done. Place...

new club, beatify done. Place has one main stage. When I went most of the girls (7-9) were from other SR clubs and where flown in to get this club on its feet. The…

Seductions International Gentlemen's Club

Niagara Falls, Ontario

This club is a total blast....

This club is a total blast. Stopped by on a recent Saturday afternoon. As soon as I walk in, I was approached by a pretty, 23 yo brunette French-Canadian chick. Bought her…

Satin Dolls

Lodi, New Jersey

Visited on a Wednesday night. Basically...

Visited on a Wednesday night. Basically all stage and pole dancing. Girls were friendly, bartenders easy on the eyes. About five to ten girls out and around most of the night. Good atmosphere, looks just…

Sapphire Gentlemen's Club

Las Vegas, Nevada

My wife and I visited the...

My wife and I visited the club on a recent trip to Vegas - as stated previously, the club is HUGE, with plenty of seating around the stages. It was pretty slow when we arrived…

Sands Showgirls

Seattle, Washington

The rollercoaster that is the Sands...

The rollercoaster that is the Sands -- I've had the greatest and worst experiences there. It all depends on whose dancing, what the crowd is like, what manager is on duty, the alignment of…

Safari Show Club

Portland, Oregon

Beautiful club. stellar carpetting &...

Beautiful club. stellar carpetting & lighting. music is good. Most of the girls are very hot; a few thow aways, but they allow for the the 9's to really shine. They…

Roxxx

Brooklyn, Illinois

Visited this club on Memorial Day,...

Visited this club on Memorial Day, Monday May 30. (Sorry about the delayed report) Glad they were open, as a lot of SCs close on holidays like this. This club is part…

Rachel's Steak House and Men's Club

West Palm Beach, Florida

Nice club, good place to relax...

Nice club, good place to relax and watch beatiful naked women. Dances are on the one stage, with a 3 song set. There is a smaller side "cage". Danceser strip down nude…

Body Shop

San Diego, California

I was in the area so...

I was in the area so I stopped by for the first time in over a year. It was midweek early evening. The place is pretty much the same. Large stage as you enter. Very…

Bottoms Up

Brooklyn, Illinois

Visited this club on Memorial Day,...

Visited this club on Memorial Day, Monday May 30. (Sorry about the delayed report) Glad they were open, as a lot of SCs close on holidays like this. This club is part…

The New Pink Slip

East St. Louis, Illinois

Visited this club on Memorial Day,...

Visited this club on Memorial Day, Monday May 30. (Sorry about the delayed report) Glad they were open, as a lot of SCs close on holidays like this. This club is part…

Babe's

Pensacola, Florida

This is the best Club in...

This is the best Club in Pensacola in my eyes. The place is very clean. There is a main stage and two smaller one on the side. The girls for the most…

Angels Adult Entertainment

North Miami, Florida

Visited Angels, would not rate more...

Visited Angels, would not rate more than 1. $5 cover. drinks were only $5.00 and dances were $5.00. The atmosphere was not good and filthy, lots of dancers, but no one looked good, most…

New Green Frog

Fort Walton Beach, Florida

If you love sleazy oriental girls,...

If you love sleazy oriental girls, this is the place. Very friendly but, the pressure to buy them drinks is a bit much. Music is not too loud and the girls are willing…

Key Club

New Haven, Connecticut

Went here the same day as...

Went here the same day as Teddies Much more a neighborhood hang out more than anything else. More customers, more girls. The range of…

Baby Dolls Fort Worth

Euless, Texas

Was in on a recent Friday...

Was in on a recent Friday afternoon and was a bit disappointed. The place was lively enough (a good number of both dancers and customers), but none of the dancers were very attractive.…

Oasis Goodtime Emporium

Atlanta, Georgia

I give Oasis a 10 in...

I give Oasis a 10 in the context of Atlanta's scene... I've been there about 8 times in the last few months and keep having a consistent great time. Free parking, free cover (with internet…

Night Shift

Baltimore, Maryland

Once you find it, it's a...

Once you find it, it's a nice little club with a friendly attitude and nice ladies. I haven't been since the remodeling, but I would say it needed it. The free munchies at…

PT's Brooklyn

East St. Louis, Illinois

Visited this club on Memorial Day,...

Visited this club on Memorial Day, Monday May 30. (Sorry about the delayed report) Glad they were open, as a lot of SCs close on holidays like this. This club is part…

Mons Venus

Tampa, Florida

The club is poorly lit, just...

The club is poorly lit, just like I like it - my friend is a regular there but it was my first visit. the hustle is on the minute you hit the door the…

Mons Venus

Tampa, Florida

The club has been back all...

The club has been back all season - i think i have been in there more than most of the girls! It has been great!!! Things have slowed down again and its been less crowded.…

Mons Venus

Tampa, Florida

Went on a weekday night. ...

Went on a weekday night. It was still very crowded with an incredible turnover of guests. The best part of the night were the two members of the crowd that danced on…

Market Street Cinema

San Francisco, California

Market Street rates pretty high in...

Market Street rates pretty high in my book. The only reason that I won't give it a higher rating is because it lacks in the area of atmosphere. However, what it lacks in…

Fantasy Show Girls San Diego

San Diego, California

Inner city club in a bad...

Inner city club in a bad neighborhood. Watch your back around here. The club is actually ok-looking on the inside, with one main stage circled by the usual chairs and little tables.…

Men's Club Of Dallas

Dallas, Texas

Not tremendously impressed with this place,...

Not tremendously impressed with this place, though I can see why a certain percentage of the population would prefer it to its neighbor Baby Dolls. I am not one of these people though.…

Little Daddy's Show Club

Kokomo, Indiana

Let me open this review with...

Let me open this review with three simple words: OH MY GOD!!! This was definately not a comfortable experience. Allow me to give you a walking tour in your mind. First,…

Lipstick

Lafayette, Louisiana

Just to add to the prior...

Just to add to the prior review. I stopped by late on Weds. night. A great looking girl met me and sat on my lap for a nice time. Real…

Legz Club

Martinsburg, West Virginia

visited on a recent Tuesday night,...

visited on a recent Tuesday night, arriving just after 8. There were 6 dancers at first, each dancing two songs, the second nude. The dancers ranged from attractive to very attractive. For the…

Lipstick Cabaret

Dallas, Texas

I had fond memories of this...

I had fond memories of this club from 3 or 4 years ago (attractive girls, high mileage, etc), but my recent return was a big disappointment. I was there for happy hour on Thursday.…

Mouse's Ear

Johnson City, Tennessee

Finally satisfied my curiosity. Stopped...

Finally satisfied my curiosity. Stopped by Sunday night on a road trip. This place is nice, bright, and clean, with naked, pretty girls. The girls are indeed pretty and friendly and naked.…

Rhode Island Dolls

Woonsocket, Rhode Island

An 8 for the attitude of...

An 8 for the attitude of the ladies, granted there were only 5 on a Tuesday evening. A pretty nice little club in a very nice small community 10 miles N of Providence.…

Honey's Showgirls

Everett, Washington

Looking good this past Monday night....

Looking good this past Monday night. Lots of attractive girls, seemed pretty busy, lots of customers buying dances. There was one absolute knockout, dark hair, beautiful bubble but not too large butt, thin,…

Honey's Showgirls

Everett, Washington

First stop on a club crawl,...

First stop on a club crawl, and a return to lovely Everett. Was a time this was my absolute favorite local SC -- it's still good, although it's become a little more Ricks-y over…

Hip Hugger

Kokomo, Indiana

Made the long drive here recently....

Made the long drive here recently. This place is in the middle of nowhere in Indiana. The girls here are suprisingly hot and the dances here are pretty cheap with nice contact.…

Henry the VIII Lounge

Inkster, Michigan

To me it's all about the...

To me it's all about the dances. How good they are and what is allowed. Second is the girls looks. I will get dances with a girl that is not really all that…

Heavenly Bodies

Elk Grove Village, Illinois

Have just been to this club...

Have just been to this club recently again and I can not but just like this place. I can not imagine any place where you can get all the beer you want for 20 bucks…

Jaguars Gentlemen's Club

Indianapolis, Indiana

Stopped in as my first of...

Stopped in as my first of 4 clubs for the night. Very disappointing this trip. Still the highest milage for your dollar in Indy but the talent was way down. Only about 6 girls working.…

Gossip

Melville, New York

Club is very classy; good for...

Club is very classy; good for business entertainment with nice atmosphere. Valet parking a must; drinks are not cheap. Now to the important facts: the girls were for the most part very attractive, not youngsters…

The Penthouse Club - New Orleans

New Orleans, Louisiana

My husband an I went to...

My husband an I went to the Gold Club in New Orleans in April and this was by far the most enjoyable time we have had at a Gentlemen's club in the Quarter. We…

Foxy Girls

Las Vegas, Nevada

Only the second club visited in...

Only the second club visited in Vegas other than Cheetah's. No cover charge was the reason for giving this club a shot. Got here close to closing time and only 4 girls left. Gave a…

Carl's Bar

Stone Park, Illinois

Carl's is a Guilty Pleasure. Of...

Carl's is a Guilty Pleasure. Of course, I like to visit during the week and early before the Riff-Raff and Thug Quotient increases. As stated in previous reviews, this club (check that: BAR) is less than…

Flamingo Showclub

Vandalia, Ohio

dayton is the pits for...

dayton is the pits for laps... if you like laps, dont stop in dayton ... I stopped in the afternoon....its a topless place...not to bad...but laps are air dances..so i…

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Gedankenexperiment For Understanding The Stripper's "Mind"

The next time you are in the club try the following thought experiment in order to get some insights into what motivates strippers: First imagine that the customers are females instead of males with the same distribution with respect to…

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private dancers

how do you go about asking a stripper if she does extras for like an extra hundred, is that rude? will she tell you if she does extras without asking? How do I go about this?

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Do the strippers in your club do this?

Do the strippers in your club laugh and point behind your back as soon as you start quoting Mark Twain. This is so unfair. I've spent my life learning these useless little quotes in the hopes I can whip one…

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Spearmint Rhino clubs?

[I posted this a few days ago but I don;t see it now, so I'll repost] Are the Spearmint Rhino clubs any good? What are they like? I know there is one in Vegas and supposedly many others, both in…

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What celebrity would be the best stripper?

At the end of the post on the perfect club parodyman brought up something interesting. A lot of stars have played strippers (Demi Moore, Salma Hayek, Elizabeth Berkley and Shannon Elizabeth come to mind). Who do you think…

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Surprises in the Club

The other night I visited one of the local clubs, which in my mind is considered to be a semi-high class club (not a dive, but trying to be very high class place, but won't get there) I chatted up…

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party

iam about to go to a party w/dancers during their off time What is to be expected?

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How many strip clubs are there anyway?

I've driven by a bunch of little rural strip clubs that have never been reviewed and aren't on the TUSCL list. I think there are a lot of little minority clubs in inner cities around here that aren't listed…

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Are strip clubs increasing in number?

I know a lot of clubs that have closed temporarily to remodel within the last 5 years or so, usually in an effort to move more upscale (and raise prices.) But I only know of one new club that…

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Hi Clubber . . .

"I visited around 3 PM on Saturday to drop off some mangoes and more lychees." I saw your non-review. What is the deal with mango v. mangoes? Unfortunately, I haven't been down south much and besides those clubs are expensive.…

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What kind of music would you like to hear in your ideal club?

For me I'd first like to limit the hip hop and rap. Probably I'd mostly play 70's to current rock. Also I wouldn't play it so loud that it is impossible to have a conversation in the farthest reaches of…