Comments by knightwish (page 3)

@DG -- You can post a review for dancers. I always try in my reviews to give a "what sort of dancer" would like this club kinda review.

@jackslash FinDom is a ton of work for the women. Because she has to do truly conflicting work. On the one hand the guy wants to feel robbed in game. On the other hand he can't genuinely feel he isn't getting his money worth. So she's got to exploit him terribly for money and then offer services (selling time) which is often spent humiliating him for not having given her enough money. She's always got to come up with new humiliations. These relationships are super unstable because FinDom customers are flakes. Most doms won't even handle this breed of customer, it has become a speciality. If your dancer friend can do this sort of work. She's a seriously awesome actress and can get inside your head. Have fun with her doing whatever activities you are into.

First off New York (Manhattan) is not a great strip club city. It is tied with London for the best dungeon city on the planet. It has terrific AMP, it has a very good (though a bit pricey) escort culture. But it has below average strip clubs for a middle class guy. The Manhattan clubs have enough upper class traffic that they can aim for an experience that fits an upperclass customer. So the Manhattan SC scene is centered around highly stressed white collar men, if you deviate in any way you get a worse experience than in many other cities. In terms of the rooms often there are larger VIP rooms for just a little more money or the same money that a couple can use. You can just ask a host, Vivid for example definitely has that and also aims for female customers (though it is a low-med milage club so you are unlikely to get all the attention you want without paying way too much for it there). Space in general is at a premium this is after all Manhattan, it ain't Tokyo but rents are high. In terms of milage and money, in New York you can get lots of milage for lots of money but at any given price point that's sane it is a often below average money wise and well above average spend wise. In short, yes you can do this but you'll be spending silly money to do it. I don't know the clubs in Queens, Brooklyn... I think if you are looking for a high milage relaxed experience Jersey is a much better choice, Philadelphia an even better choice.

I'm usually reading to pick between clubs. So mostly is the club an experience. What I'm looking for are clubs that are niche in some way. But something interesting like extra beautiful, weird structure, weird policies, great stage shows.... For general mongering if I can't find a "wow" high milage and lower prices are always good.

@stenton1 I've had that sore throat thing too from stripper making out. Do you know what it is? Anyway about 2 wks for me, but it was short. 1 mo since awesome one.

@lopaw Yeah definitely not the dancer for you. Some dancers won't do black guys, some dancers won't do young... You may not hear dancers go off quite the same way about different types of men they don't like because well it isn't as relevant but trust me dancers hating some part of the customer base isn't abnormal. You do show class with her rants... OTOH unlike most SW dancers Tempest is posting her real attitude about what really happens in her club not fantasy nonsense designed to impress other women who are hearing lies. She is also pretty funny. @ReadyPayerOne The world you were looking for is "moll" -- the girlfriend of a criminal.

I like both those clubs and met one of those dancers in the photos (so yeah at least one is real).. They are both clean clubs, high prices, well run and clean, good-great service (bar, hostess, coat check...)... Decent places to play for a few hours after having to deal with the city or between meetings. But now Shadow. That whole string of quotes sounds like SW. I come here to get away from the whining hateful awful delusional blech of SW. Why would you bring that here? Why? And it was shitty advice to boot. I've never ever ever seen anyone in one of those clubs treat it like a grind house Ms. Harlowe. Within a block of both of those clubs are AMPs where you can get first rate HJs plus a pretty darn good massage for an hour for far less. So how many windbreaker pants do you actually get? And Ms. Cynthia if you can't talk don't work Manhattan clubs. Talking is mandatory because you gotta sell rooms. If I didn't know for sure one of those women worked those clubs I'd think it was all BS. Anyway Shadow so far this thread could get worse. We could have a bunch of sycophant men telling the dancers how right they are the best way to have fun at a strip club is to get taken advantage of by dancers paying a fortune for nothing. Then we could really make it SW like by having these women prop each other on their brilliance for those lines that are such obvious BS.

Tempest is cool. But 7th Heaven a high end club... without some interior work that's just delusional.

Those are all good reviews. I propped her.

Myfreecam girls have done a deck a few times.

@rockstar666 Awesome well put!

@Bavarian -- $300 for 2 times you likely just aren't paying enough for her to care much. $150 customers are not hard to come by, that's not a good customer level. You are clearly looking to become a regular but aren't spending enough. When that spending level drops (which it usually does with regulars) your showing up is going to be pulling down her average per hour. So she may be trying to blow you off. She probably is a bit of a flake but she's also indifferent. I don't know the level of club you are going to, so I'm not sure what a good customer level is. Guys who do 4hrs in VIP get their calls returned. Guys who do 4 LDs mostly don't.

Since this thread came back to life. Let me just say blown away by the averages being as low as they are.

Lately I've been getting lots of nipple abuse at strip clubs. But I get rubbed and played with there all the time.

@Kels01 Look I think you've made your mind up already. You asked for advice from an experienced group of men. They told you that more is available from escorts than AMPs on average, you rejected that deciding it was all prostitution so it doesn't matter. Besides the fact the men above were right. Let me just put it to you straight. If you are this impossible to talk to on a topic on which you are ignorant why would you expect your boyfriend to try and communicate with you? You obviously aren't interested in hearing other people? What answer would you want to hear for why he did it? Let's look at some options: a) He was getting bored of sex with you and wanted a little variety? b) You had refused him that day and he wanted to get off? c) He considers this part of his life and doesn't intend to change for you? What answer are you looking for? ____ Anyway you've decided to string the guy along and then dump the guy when a better prospect comes along. Which establishes that while extra marital sex bother you, dishonesty doesn't. As someone who has been married for 18 years... creating an environment of lying will do far more damage to a marriage then getting off with people other than your spouse. I think you've decided to learn this the hard way. So we'll talk in 5 years before your second marriage.

While I was over a strippers house for the purpose of having sex for money she went on a rant for 5 minutes about how much she hated "whores". I figure it is sort of like the George Carlin joke: everyone who drives faster than you is a maniac and everyone who drives slower is an asshole. While for strippers everyone who does more milage is a whore... so by definition they can't be whores.

@Detroit I think I was paying 70 euros 1/2 hr + tip (smallish). Some are cheaper but the quality of the women drops and this is a once in a lifetime experience. I doubt you will spend 100 on alcohol but if you drink that heavily then 300 would be cutting it much too close. No harm in having more cash with you, your money is in a safe the whole time.

@Detroit248 They are amazing. If you post here, definitely make time for it. Imagine a good quality strip club where instead of LDs CFS and CBJ were the basic services with more negotiable. Food, drink, naked girls, sex. You'll feel like Caligula. And it isn't that expensive (though bring at least 500 euro cash). Expect to spend at least a few hours because you'll need time to recover between sessions. Oh and most of the girls speak enough English for you to at least transact the basics. In terms of getting robbed, your money will be in a safe you have access to. In terms of what to expect read stories online. Just remember you are going to be semi-naked the whole time and possibly swimming naked or something so be presentable nude.

I prepay. I think you have to give trust to get trust. But you work up. If the girl is going to be dishonest let her rip you off for $100 not $500.

@deogl -- -- I do not agree with this. Right now we often see women turn themselves into baby factories in the poorer realms. Multiple babies, multiple fathers... the whole mess. Look at fertility rates among the poor and lower middle class they are way down. You don't see women turning themselves into baby factories in substantial numbers. Mostly they have 1 or 2 children early. If 2% of women are having 6 kids that does very little to aggregate fertility. -- And this isn't new - in less technologically advanced societies (ie, lower economics), having a lot of babies was the norm Absolutely true. But in poor agricultural economies fertility often boosted economic status while in our society it harms it. If having kids were profitable; say for example the government provided a $35k / yr / child subsidy then you'd see a much much higher level of fertility.

I'm not sure I buy the article. Because we aren't seeing the same long term procreative behaviors among the upper middle class on up and the lower middle class on down while both have experienced availability of the pill. I'd attribute the shifts more to a the falloff in male wages. During times of economic crisis humans drop their procreation. That correlates strongly with late marriage and less marriage: So low wages for workers -> lack of desire to procreate -> late marriage and less marriage. But people like the Austin institute don't want to talk about the economics, because that's something that's easy as a society to change; we just change tax policy and this can be reversed. Rather they want to guilt women into having less sex.

Tootsie22 I'm not going to be upset if you are aroused. I'm a heterosexual guy the smell of a women's arousal is stimulating as all hell. If you are getting wet and I'm smelling it... As for smelling after... to be honest I like to smell like the dancers on the way home. It makes me horny and I can think of them in the car. Heck, I even liked glitter because I didn't mind.

Being middle aged and white. Wearing slacks and a button down shirt. French cuff btw helps strippers tend to think these are more expensive. Also a shirt that can unbutton is more fun. Be personable friendly and fun. Be tactful about mileage.

@elle -- If you are acting uncomfortable and making him uncomfortable he's going to be sending all sorts of signs to the dancers that will get him low milage. If your husband spends $400 regularly he's experienced and he is likely getting far more than what he's telling you. If he isn't being honest with you then you need to create an environment where honesty can happen. So ask yourself the question do you really want to know what $400 is buying him? If you think the answer is yes, then why? Do you want to start swinging? Do you want an open marriage? Do you not really care that he's stepping out but don't want it to undermine trust? Why do you want to know? My guess is the answer is no and just don't press. But if you really do want to know then you need to change your marriage so that he's comfortable telling you the truth. Which means if you are participating you need to do something to indicate a change like buying him a BJ from a dancer. Or getting a very high milage dance for yourself. Or telling him something else that you've never told him as part of you guys not lying to one another.....

I was directing that at OP: ilbbaicnl. I don't get the reaction. Man was asking about hair pulling and anal and I weighted in on hair pulling and anal.