Comments by joesparty

Not only do you need to think about why you'd want to join the circus, as Steve calls it, but you need to consider whether you can realistically compete with the GOP high rollers who are likely to be in attendance. Girls will go to the guys with the dollars.

This wouldn't have happened had you been careful and worn your full-body condom. Always play safe, jacklash.

The Italians were pretty hot until the one starting crying during a timeout. Next! I also wouldn't mind the 6'3" Chinese girl satisfying my Asian fetish.

This just makes me all the more glad I live in Detroit. The first time I ever came in a club, the girl was giving me some Russian lessons, and I didn't warn her soon enough, and she ended up with sticky boobs. Just laughed it off. I tipped her a little more than normal, because it's just polite to warn someone before firing off a shot, whether in your own pants or not.

Hey now, give the lady a break. She must be classy: her bra size is in her e-mail address.

JohnBuford, I'm sorry it happened to you and for all the consequences that have followed. It sounds pretty miserable, to be honest, but as all the others have noted (and you yourself admit) you were lucky that the damage was not worse. It's stories like yours that serve as a wake-up call to all of us who think we're sober enough to drive home after a few drinks. I know I'll think twice before having any booze at a club again. Thanks for sharing.

Everybody else has given good advice, so to clarify: only the nonalcoholic (aka juice bars) are nude on stage. The only full nude clubs I've ever been to in Michigan are the Deja Vu chain. Pretty low mileage. Flight club is not nude on stage, but some girls will get naked in a private dance. It's still one of the nicer upscale clubs in Detroit.

I have a slightly different take on this. In my opinion, because most dancers are independent contractors, not employees, you will not need a work permit. Most clubs probably won't even ask, because they won't be paying you directly; you will be earning money from customers. Now, I suspect you probably need some type of visa to run a business in the US, which is essentially what you'll be doing. Maybe go about doing your research with this in mind.

Go for it Juice. Sounds like you've hit the holy grail. I'm jealous, man.

She's 33, almost 34. But she acts like a 22 year old.

2k for 8 hours and 4 pops isn't bad, but that is a little higher CPO (cost per orgasm) than I prefer.

Now that you mention it, no.

SuperDude, you are close, but not exactly right. All these service fees are indeed income for financial and income tax purposes; Spirit and others do pay income tax on these fees. (The definition of "income" in the Internal Revenue Code is "all income from whatever source derived.") There has been, however, a long-running dispute between the airlines and the government as to whether these fees are subject to various excise (different from income) taxes imposed on ticketed fares. I think tax avoidance isn't the airlines' main goal, though. They want to be able to advertise the lowest fare but keep raising revenue. They can do this by imposing "fees" that aren't a part of the base fare. The Department of Transportation has tried to curb this too, but with limited success.

Knew a dancer who could do it multiple times during a session. It was cool and a turn on at first, but I eventually tired of going home with wet spots on my pants. Solution: I dropped my pants to my ankles the next time. I'm sad to report I haven't seen her at the club the last few times I was there.

I don't think I'd do it. My ATF is a great girl, but she's much more of a "taker" than a "giver." It's not that I'd expect to be paid, but it could easily get out of hand whenever she needs help. Would you ask *her* to watch your kids (assuming you had some)? Do you honestly think she would do that for you? If so, great--you've found a gem. Otherwise, think twice.

Unless you count the old open "VIP" room at Bogart's in Inkster, I haven't done much exhibitionism in my day. As the others have said, I don't enjoy the prospect of getting kicked out of a club.

I agree with Alucard; there are a lot of factors at play. There were a couple of girls last fall who I felt were favorite material, but I never broke through the OTC barrier with them before they disappeared altogether. As for my current and ATF girl, it was about two months at an average of three club visits per month. I'd say maybe 1k, tops, before she brought up OTC. Sounds steep when I write it out like that, but it has paid great dividends. We've had an almost exclusively OTC arrangement for the year since we met that has worked quite well for both of us.

#1: She has sex with me every time I want it. Now, this could be due to the fact that I provide a little sugar on top, but as long as I'm getting what I want, we're both happy.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm with Juice here: I don't feel remorse, and I'm not constantly trying to stop. Other than that, great list!

Art, I'm the same, and I hear the same thing all the time. I think they're just telling us what we want to hear, though I could be wrong. It's not like we have a lot of other options.

What about us hairy guys? I would look absolutely ridiculous with no hair down there compared to the rest of my, um, hirsute body.

My first OTC was at my ATF's place. I'm still there an average of once a week. But I wouldn't do it with someone I'd just met, someone I didn't trust, or someone who lived in an area I didn't know well. Since my ATF fit those criteria at the time, I was comfortable doing it. She fits many of the stereotypes, though: empty fridge (except for liquor), no furniture in the living room, minimal furniture in the bedroom, and a bathroom full of makeup. But it is also clean and smoke and drama free.

Gotta make that quota.

Never given a girl a facial. Done in the mouth and maybe she spilled a little, but never a true facial, and I've always wanted to try it. I think they're afraid of getting it in their hair!

This is a pet peeve of mine, and my ATF does it. I just don't understand the fake eyelashes. As you say, they often look ridiculously unreal, and my favorite has long, beautiful *natural* eyelashes already. Lucky for me, she doesn't wear the fakes when I see her OTC.