Comments by docsavage (page 42)

For those who think something like Ivermectin or HCQ or any other drug is useless, no one is forcing them to use them. About 20% of all prescriptions filled are for off label uses. Normally this is not a problem but the drugs used for this particular disease have become highly politicized. Doctors have been threatened by government officials with the loss of their licenses for prescribing certain drugs. Politicians have also threatened anyone providing information on the possible effectiveness of these drugs or questioning the safety or efficacy of the officially sanctioned treatments and vaccines. For example, Elizabeth Warren recently sent a letter to Amazon saying they needed to do something about the misinformation in the books they carry on Covid. There is an implied threat behind this sort of thing and this is really only one step away from government censorship of the press. Every dictator in history who suppressed freedom of speech or press did so in the name of stopping the spread of misinformation so we need to worry if American government officials start talking this way. This all shows a lack of understanding of what science is. Science is not an official dogma enforced by government where anyone who disagrees with that dogma are heretics to be silenced. Science only advances when someone who doesn't agree with current prevalent beliefs is allowed to question those beliefs. Persuasion should not be replaced by force or the threat of force.

I see the girls at strip clubs as a superior alternative to having a girlfriend. I had girlfriends, one of whom I married for a short time, up until I was in my early fifties. During that period I never went to strip clubs except a couple occasions when I went with friends when they invited me to go along with them. The girls at the clubs were better looking than someone I could get as a girlfriend but not that much better looking. That changed around the age of fifty. Same age females started looking much worse than the girls down at the strip club. They also often had health problems, psychological problems, financial problems, and problems with their children or other family members. They wanted to move in with me and once they moved in with me all their problems would become my problems too. I had made good decisions over the years and had a problem free existence as long as I stayed unattached. I also had the freedom to do what I want if no one was living with me. I found that strippers had no interest in pressuring an old guy like me into living together, as a girlfriend would. I could go to a strip club and see the girls when I felt like it. No one stripper had everything I wanted but neither had any of my girlfriends and with strippers I could go visit whatever girl I thought I might like the most that day.

There is a market for non-sexual OTC. I've had strippers tell me about going out to dinner or engaging in other social activities with customers and they have made such offers to me. Generally, they want to meet in a public place. When they ask for money I politely decline but if they are willing to meet me in return for me paying for a meal then I'll do that. Usually I get that type of offer from regulars and I see them offering me that as a reward for me being their regular and spending money on them in the club. Compared to the majority of the posters here, I may be atypical in never doing sexual OTC activities with strippers. I don't see anything wrong with that. I'm just not interested. I want a girl who is pretty, friendly acting and able to do a sensual lap dance at the club. I don't like the hard grinding or bouncing up and down on my lap type of lap dance. I actually like some of my stripper regulars and if I was 30 years younger I might try to get one of those girls as a girlfriend but not at the age I am now.

The jealous stripper boyfriend in the club is definitely a problem. Fortunately I've only had a problem with one of those. He yelled at me not to stare at his girlfriend. She immediately chastised him and then a couple other strippers came over to me and apologized. I could tell they were angry he was potentially driving the customers out of the club with his behavior. If you are the kind of guy who gets upset when guys look at your stripper girlfriend when she's working you should not be there at the club. Even if the boyfriend isn't the jealous type it can be a problem. I had a favorite regular who started having her boyfriend come into the club. She ended up spending large amounts of time sitting up at the bar with him drinking and it resulted in a big drop in income for her. She stopped approaching customers and customers were less likely to approach her with another guy sitting next to her. One time I did lap dances with her and noticed she had a lot of bruises on her. I asked about them and she said she had fallen down the stairs. Later another stripper told me her boyfriend was hitting her and she had made up the stairs story to tell me because she knew I would worry about her if I knew the truth.

I go to a club about once a week. I may not always buy lap dances when I go, though. Sometimes I'll look around and don't see any girls I think I would be interested in and leave. I have three clubs about ten minutes away and another a half hour away and that is about as far as I'll go on a weekday. If I go to clubs further away it is almost always on a weekend. I'll leave early and stop and eat dinner at a restaurant, maybe stop at a park or store and walk around, then stop at a Starbucks to drink coffee and kill time. I don't go to clubs in the early evening because Indianapolis clubs are dead then so I'll wait until nine or ten before I head to the club. I've been to clubs far away a few times during the week but just to add some variety to my club visits.

One of my regulars had majored in music in college. Besides stripping she also gave piano lessons to children. She told me one of her pupils was a child of the rock musician John Cougar Mellencamp. She said his kid was really screwed up and felt sorry for the child but didn't go into any further detail. Nursing and psychology majors are the most common stripper majors in my experience. The most unusual for a regular was probably a drama major who liked Noel Coward plays. If I have a regular I'll eventually get around to the subject of their education just as a topic of conversation. If they are currently in school I don't offer advice but sometimes talk a little about my own college days. I've wondered if any of my female college classmates had a secret double life as a stripper that I never knew about.

I've always discouraged strippers from texting me by just telling them I'm old and never learned how to text. I've always been afraid they would be texting me trying to get me to come into the club to visit them when it was slow there and they weren't making enough money. Do they do that? If a regular texted me and asked me to come see her at the club and I didn't feel like it I'm not sure what the proper response would be.

The U.S. is such a large country so rather than thinking in terms of a national epidemic it's better to think in regional terms. The disease gets passed on more easily when temperature extremes, either very hot or very cold, force everyone to crowd inside. Staying inside more also lowers vitamin d levels due to lack of sun exposure. Lower vitamin d levels appear to make people more susceptible to the disease too. People in the south stay inside during the extremely hot summers and people in the north stay inside during the extremely cold winters so the north and south have different periods of peaks and declines. Since you are down there in Arizona, your summer peak is probably coming to an end and you are most likely right that the worst is now over there. You may have another increase in cases next summer but it is likely to be smaller. Up here in Indiana where I live we are likely to have one final big burst of cases this winter. People now are starting to realize how destructive previous lockdowns were so it is less likely the strip clubs and all the other businesses will be subjected to lengthy lockdowns here in Indiana this winter.

I understand the complaints of the younger guys concerning the older customers monopolizing girls here but the most attractive girls at a strip club go where the money is and old guys have higher incomes and therefore often have more to spend. Young guys think if the old guys weren't there these girls would have more time for them but it is just as likely that if the old rich guys aren't at a club then many of the most attractive girls won't be there either. Attractive women have lots of career options so only the chance to earn a lot of money will entice them into working as a stripper. I've seen plenty of strip club situations where new strippers would hang out with guys their own age but over time they would have to abandon this because they weren't making enough to pay their bills. As an old guy myself, I've had numerous girls ignore me when they were new at the club but over time become more friendly. The experienced strippers seem to focus on the guys with money to spend when they are at the club and save socializing with the younger guys their own age for their non-work hours.

I've been going to strip clubs in Indiana for over 10 years and go almost weekly so I've been in a club probably over 400 times. I can think of only two times in the club where the girl came right out and offered me extras in the club. It involved me paying more for a more private area rather than in a open lap dance area where someone might see us. For outside the the club extras, I've only had one direct offer of sex. When I declined, she laughed and said she had just been joking. Another direct offer came from a girl who offered to be my mistress and made me memorize her phone number and repeat it back to her before I left the club. The majority of offers, maybe 8 or 9 total, involved questions that could be interpreted as possible offers but may not have been or offers to do something ambiguous enough that I wasn't sure what all would be involved. Sometimes, maybe 4 in all, strippers have said we can do more in the private room without specifying what. A couple times girls have asked me if I ever thought of doing something outside the club. These may have been indirect offers or they may have just been curious why I never asked them. One girl talked about how she would go with me to Vegas. One Mexican stripper offered to come over to my apartment and smoke marijuana with me. These situations might have led to something else if I had taken them up on the offer. For every girl who might do something, though, there are probably several others who wouldn't. I've heard a lot of stripper complaints over the years about customers who want extras in the club or want to see them outside the club.

That doesn't seem to be limited to strippers. I started to take out a female coworker one time and other women in the office who had previously ignored me started being friendly and flirty. Another time back when I was young I was living in an apartment building with three attractive girls who never said a word to me. I got a girlfriend and as soon as she started coming over to visit the girls in my apartment building started being friendly to me. Many women have a psychological tendency to want what they don't have or can't have, especially if other women have it. When dealing with the opposite sex, it might be a good idea to make them aware in subtle ways that they have competition for you. If you make a desperate attempt to win them over, it signals to them that you have no other alternatives. This is true not just in the area of dating but even if you are just a customer at a strip club. I don't get too fixated on any one girl in strip clubs and try to stay aware that there are other girls whose company I might enjoy. If I'm trying really hard to please some stripper, that's usually when she starts to become arrogant and annoying.

Here in Indianapolis there are several clubs that haven't been reviewed at all since 2019. One club finally got reviewed after a long period of no reviews. Two of the adjudicators gave it a thumbs down and said there were "not enough details". I thought the review had useful information. In situations where there are few reviews coming in I think you need to apply different and slightly lower standards for what is an acceptable review and I think some of the adjudicators don't take that into account. I understand that no one wants to waste time reading bad reviews but sometimes I'm wasting time looking for the new local reviews and then finding there aren't any, possibly because they were rejected.

I normally try not to comment on purely political posts but wouldn't consider this purely political since it affects strip clubs. I wouldn't consider it cruel to cut off free housing. I work a job I don't particularly like and pay my apartment rent every month so I'm only expecting from others what I do myself. Society can only function if most people are out working. You can't have everyone sitting in the cart and no one pulling the cart. Having the government print up money is not the same thing as creating wealth. Us strip club customers shouldn't have any illusions that most strippers are there at the club because they love our company. Probably the majority of them are there because they would rather have some good looking bad boy loser type as a boyfriend than some boring average or below average looking guy who works hard and has a good income. It's fine if they do that but they need to absorb any costs involved with their decision instead of receiving the benefits and shifting the costs to others. That means they can't stiff their landlord on the rent and can't have the guys they won't have as boyfriends or husbands pay taxes to fund unemployment benefits for them. Forcing someone to support you while giving them nothing in return is slavery and that is exploitation. I've always liked the girls who are actually working in the clubs. They are there making an effort to be self-supporting and I appreciate them. I had a regular tell me last Sunday she always has a feeling of relief when she sees me walk in because she knows I'm not going to cause any trouble for her. I've been clubbing for years and know what is a reasonable demand and what is an unreasonable demand and stick to the reasonable demands.

I've always found that almost everyone is nice to me rather than be annoying as long as they want something from me. Strippers are no exception. The prettiest strippers tend to be the most annoying to me but that can be explained by the fact that a lot of high spending guys are interested in them so they don't particularly need to exert themselves being friendly to an average spender like me. There is usually a trade off when picking girls in a strip club. The natural tendency is to pick the hottest girl in the club. I've been in a lot of situations, though, where I walked out of a club feeling a little emotionally bad because I picked that girl and then she was a little rude or annoying acting to me or treated me like an inferior while I was with her. I find that if I've had a bad day I don't want to top if off with something like this so in those cases I'll go see a friendly and more average looking regular who I know from past experience won't act like this.

I've had several dancers I didn't recognize. They usually either fell into the category of overeating and becoming obese or a serious drug addiction. I've been a little surprised how even a 25 pound weight gain can be enough to move a girl from the attractive to unattractive category and end a lucrative stripper career. You would think that someone making a lot of money wouldn't throw that away by over indulging at the dinner table but I've seen several dancer careers cut short after they gained too much weight.

While not a standard review, I would consider this review useful in that it provides the most salient piece of information, whether there are actually any strippers here, and a warning that in this case the answer is "no". I had a favorite regular who got fired at another club and came over here to work the day shift. She had always made money at other clubs but made so little here she had to quit, much to my consternation as she then decided to retire from the stripper business. The nearby Club Rio has always had a more popular day shift. It has a reputation for looser rules, something that is important to many local customers. Dancers, to the south, also normally has a day shift so there may be just a little too much competition for the available number of customers. The lack of customers and dancers on day shift here has always extended into the early part of night shift too. They just don't have the type of customer who stops by on the way home from work or the old retired guys coming in days or early evenings, at least ones who will actually spend money. It's mostly younger guys who all come in late so the girls do too.

"What depressed me most about my recent trip up north is seeing clubs that were either closed for good or on drastically reduced hours." The drastically reduced hours are occurring up north here in Indianapolis, mostly from opening later. So there is a reduction or elimination of day shifts. Even when the clubs open, girls tend not to show up until later. This was always a problem but is worse now.

"How, exactly, would you rationalize the wretched vaccination rates of Texas, Alabama and Florida and their equally egregious rates of infection, hospitalization and death? Or why vaccination rates have started to rise in those states?" It's mostly seasonal. Numbers of cases rose last summer in those states too. When the weather gets really hot, people move indoors. The disease is more easily spread when people crowd together indoors. You saw the same thing in the winter last year in the northern states. When it got really cold, they moved inside and cases went up.

I had a regular one time on the verge of tears when I went to see her because a guy wasn't interested in continuing a romantic relationship with her and had told her so. She was also half drunk from drinking heavily, something I had never seen her do. If someone didn't want me I never cared because there are plenty of other fish in the ocean but some of these girls get all torn up if a guy doesn't want her. A lot of these girls in strip clubs are pretty and should have a choice of boyfriends but also have bad judgement and are always picking guys who cheat on them, can't hold a job, have drug or alcohol addictions, commit crimes and get sent off to prison and so on. This causes these girls a lot of misery.

I don't go to the clubs primarily looking for extras so I wouldn't go at times like the end of the month when they need rent money and are more open to providing extras. I do like it at the end of the month just because there are more girls there. As far as preying on desperate girls goes, I wouldn't considering trading sex for rent money to fall in that category. I did have a regular one time who seemed open to doing more to support a heroin addiction. I'm not naive and know some of these girls use drugs but I would never knowingly give a girl money so she can buy something as destructive as heroin.

If you can't find someone who gives lap dances as good as her while being more friendly you may have to just accept that other stripper doesn't exist. I've usually found my prettiest regulars have been less friendly. They have a lot of customers competing for them so they don't have to try as hard in the friendliness area. Since you can't find one girl who will give you everything my solution is to have different girls in different clubs who are good at different things. If I feel like I want a girl who will be nice to me I have a girl like that in a different club from the club with the pretty girl regular who does good lap dances. Most guys have more than one club within driving distance but if you are in a one club town this might not be possible. I had a similar problem back in the days I had girlfriends. No one female can give you everything you want. This was a problem when I had girlfriends because when you have a girlfriend you are limited to one. You can try to have more than one but you might get yourself in trouble if they all find out about each other. In this respect strip clubs are better because you can see more than one girl.

I've been going to strip clubs for 12 years and have never seen anyone getting arrested. The strippers have told me there are undercover officers visiting and they have been fined for not wearing pasties over their nipples but I've never even seen that. If a girl and customer get in trouble for doing something they aren't supposed to, it's always a staff member I see telling them to stop.

There's only two possibilities, either the vaccines work or they don't work. If they work, then a vaccinated person is protected from getting Covid from a person who is not vaccinated. If the vaccines don't work, then vaccinating people who aren't vaccinated won't stop the transmission of the disease. Also, if the vaccines don't work that means vaccinated people can pass the disease to others. It appears the vaccines only last several months. Israel and Britain, the first countries to vaccinate a majority of their population, had a big jump in cases among the vaccinated after several months. In California now, counties with higher vaccination rates have more cases than counties with lower vaccination rates. The vaccinated are catching and spreading the disease to others. Now there is talk in the Biden administration of booster shots every 6 months. These shots have side effects each time you get one. That may not be a problem if you only have a few years left but if, for example, a 25 year old gets vaccinated and then gets a booster shot every 6 months for the next 50 years in order to maintain immunity you are talking about a hundred shots during his or her lifetime.

So far I agree with all the comments. However, most of the comments seem to be discussing whether clubs are better or worse in terms of the availability of extras in the club or outside the club. This is an important factor. What I am seeing here in Indianapolis is something of a crackdown on extras but it seems to go beyond that. There is a general decline in the clubs overall. This may just be specific to Indianapolis. We have always been a conservative state with a lot of people who don't like strip clubs. This was offset, though, by liberals who believed in sexual freedom. This included the right of customers to go to clubs and women to make the career choice to work in them. In recent years many liberals have switched to the opinion that strip clubs engage in the sexual exploitation of women. They have allied with fundamentalist conservative types (talk about strange bedfellows) to put pressure on government officials to close clubs. Rather than do that, they have used licensing and zoning laws to prevent any new clubs from opening for the past 25 years. The result of that is that almost all the clubs are old clubs surrounded by declining neighborhoods. This decline has spilled over into the clubs and you see more drug dealing, fights and even shootings at the clubs. This has driven off many middle class customers who would have money to spend. High quality girls, meaning girls who are physically attractive, have plenty of career options and working in a dangerous club where they make little money is pretty far down the list. Many of the clubs are losing money. The number of clubs in Indianapolis has dropped from about 20 ten years ago down to about a dozen now. I'm finding the girls in the remaining ones don't look very good. All the clubs have also switched to a rap music format to appeal to their new customer base and sitting through that is painful for an old white guy like me. I've been cutting back on my club trips recently. I don't know if this same type of slow strangulation of clubs is happening in any other cities since I don't really travel.

My only offer to do drugs with a dancer came one time when a Mexican stripper said she would like to come over to my apartment and smoke marijuana with me and play with my cat. I had talked to her before about my pet cat so she knew I had one. I never took her up on that. I have wondered if it would have led once she got there to an offer of sex in exchange for money. Would that have been likely? I was twice her age so I'm pretty sure she wouldn't consider me potential boyfriend material. My favorite and longest regular was also a marijuana smoker and said one time if they ever legalized it here in Indiana she would like to get together and smoke it together. That would have been tempting.