Vaccines nearly useless in preventing transmission of Covid?
Data coming out from around the world show that the Covid vaccines prevent neither getting nor transmitting the illness to any significant extent.
https://dailysceptic.org/2021/08/06/
https://dailysceptic.org/2021/08/06/
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That tinfoil headgear might well explain your difficulty in correlating that data.
It's mostly seasonal. Numbers of cases rose last summer in those states too. When the weather gets really hot, people move indoors. The disease is more easily spread when people crowd together indoors. You saw the same thing in the winter last year in the northern states. When it got really cold, they moved inside and cases went up.
This sounded interesting. The guy who started the blog is named Toby Young. For about a week he was a "non-executive member of the board for the new Office for Students" in Britain. He was appointed by Jo Johnson, the universities minister who is also Boris Johnson's brother. Lots of articles in the whole fiasco leading up to his resignation, but yes the blog guy is IRL connected to high level Brits.
I'll stop Preaching now !
regardless mr anderman i believe u have stated that u live in californium or some other place u consider benighted so i want to tell u that u should consider becoming an “honorary real floriduh man”(tm)
just go to a burger king and wash ur balls in the soda machine. let things unfold from there
But the vaccine is pretty much useless as are masks. It's all to give us a false sense of security so we support reopening coz the private sector wants more profits. Rich peoples money before everyone else's lives
The data!
Only they still want to lock down just because of case numbers.
75% of cases in MA county outbreak were vaccinated.
https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2021-0…
But what's especially interesting is how low the reinfection rates have been in those who developed immunity through actual infection rather than vaccinations. This of course is not getting much air time, but studies are increasingly concluding that the immunity developed from actual infection is much more effective against a wider array of variants than the vaccines.
Indeed. Also the person who has been the poster boy for high risk activity since clearing the infection over a year ago, yet I have not been re-infected. That alone would convince me, even if various studies did not now exist which support the conclusion that prior infection confers strong protection against future re-infection.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/…
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/…
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lance…
But truthfully buddy since you’ve never met anyone and much of your posting goes contrary to common knowledge there’s a high probability that your veracity is similar to Icees.
And the winner of today's "Unconscious Irony Award' goes to...
By the way there is also a covid lambda (we have not run out of greek letters yet) and the vaccine might not prevent disease severity or spreading. So we should not blame the vaccine we should blame the self declared clever people that aren't vaccinated (and have the option to be vaccinated).
If we wait too long before we get the world vaccinated, then for sure there will be strains that are resistant to the vaccine.
England, Germany, France and Israel are at >80% vaccinated and are now giving boosters. My 97 year old dad just got his booster. Many of the first people in Europe got Astra Zeneca (AZ is in England) and that did not cover the South African strain very well, so they probably needed boosters with a better vaccine.
The CDC site says they will be giving guidance on boosters for immuno-supressed people in September and maybe for everyone in October. They are holding off now for more data, and in a strange hope that the current supplies will suddenly be used by the non-vaccinated.
Myself -- I travel alot -- so I've been following my antibody level. I'll get a booster if it drops.
Do you really want to get your prostate biopsy and come home in a box from Covid.
Hospital workers have had the highest exposure doses (viral parti and therefore very high death rates.
As to why there is an uptick in cases, I’m inclined to look at the Southern Border for an answer. A million unvaccinated, often infected, illegal immigrants have been allowed in the country and housed in crowded warehouses before being transported around the country. If you designed a system for increasing cases, this would be it.
You forgot to mention Haitians. Have you noticed a few more of them in Florida since their President was assassinated?
Let's just say for the sake of argument there are more Haitians trying to get to the US. Their president just got murdered in his own home under some pretty nutty circumstances. We're talking Suicide Squaddy plotlines being thrown around. If I lived there and had the means to leave, then I might be trying to get the fuck outta dodge myself.
Conspiracy? Probably.
From a moral perspective it would be better if we all got vaccinated and just beat this thing. But there's a darker part of me that is ok with Desantis running a death cult for the people who still listen to him.
But please do keep going. After all we can never have enough drama queens, no? 😉
You post thread after thread in the “we overreacted to covid” genre and freak out when people disagree. But you live in a state where covid restrictions are essentially non-existent. My friends in Florida have told me that they see some places with “we request that you wear a mask” signs up but even those places aren’t forcing anybody.
Add to that the fact that your man-crush governor isn’t going to be up for reelection until next year and my friends say he’s probably going to win. I haven’t dug that deeply because I don’t care, but the point is that your utopian state is very likely to have the policies you want for some time. So what’s your issue?
You are clearly sinking time into this. You’re obviously doing “research” and, to be fair, you linked to an actual respected medical journal (the Lancet) and two medrxiv papers. The latter are not yet peer-reviewed but they do come from genuine medical researchers.
Color me skeptical that you understand said articles completely. For example, the article you cite as supporting the contention that “natural immunity” is 6.7x more protective than vaccination is entitled “Protection of previous SARS-CoV-2 infection is similar to that of BNT162b2 vaccine protection: A three-month nationwide experience from Israel” and it doesn’t mention the 6.7x figure in the abstract...y’know, where you might expect something so striking to be reported.
Instead they report values of 96.8% protection from severe illness [CI 92.5-98.3%] by prior infection vs 94.4% protection from severe illness [CI 93·6, 95·0%] by vaccination. In other words, essentially the same values... Vaccination vs prior infection values were similar for the other outcomes assessed.
Maybe the 6.7x figure is buried somewhere in the full paper, which I didn’t read. Although your links interested me more than Anderson’s because they were to reputable sources, I don’t have the energy or interest to wade through the details. But, again, I am highly skeptical that you actually understand the minutia and I am fairly certain that the authors wouldn’t bury greater efficiency in the paper rather than highlighting it in the abstract.
I will point out one benefit of that you may not quite understand...you don’t have to get the disease to get the immunity. I would think that is pretty obvious but given your posts I’m not sure you actually understand what the vaccine does. You just seem to be sure of one thing: ricky no like vaccine!
But here’s the thing: nobody is forcing you to get vaccinated. Sure, people complain that you’re an idiot for not getting vaccinated but somehow I think you’ve been called an idiot at previous times in your life. I’d think you’d be used to it and let it roll off your back at this point!
Dugan, you write well. You’re not fucking Hemingway, but you spell correctly and use proper grammar much of the time. Basic literacy skills put you ahead of a lot of internet posters. Why don’t you return to posting stories about your adventures in clubbing and OTC and lay off the covid?
Sure, you come across as a major douche in your “I’m letting my pervert flag fly” posts but you’re an entertaining douche in those posts. You’re just a douche in your covid rands.
As always, you’re welcome!
As far as the rest of your goofy characterizations (man crush on De Santis, "freak out" when people disagree, ricky doesn't like vaccines, etc.), nice melodramatic spin. Though while combined with your failed attempt at psychoanalysis and critique of my writing skills it was all rather interesting, a dude who routinely posts in a fake retard idiom for some reason only known to him should perhaps be a bit more self-reflective before criticizing the personality traits of others. 😉
As far as the data, if you are having trouble understanding it, you can always Google summaries of the studies I linked, which should simplify it for you.
Says Dr Phil, who has never reviewed a club but goes on for 10 paragraphs with CoVid snippets he found on the internet.
. In the U.K., daily confirmed cases of COVID-19 have fallen by 50% in the past week after the country experienced its largest wave of infections in months. In India, where the Delta variant first emerged, confirmed COVID-19 infections have dropped by a factor of ten in the last few months—after peaking at nearly 400,000 daily infections in May.
First, my “retard idiom” often gets funny reactions. Given that my goal is to have a laugh it serves it serves its purpose. In contrast, constantly posting covid bullshit on a site where all vocal posters - with the exception of twentyfive - agrees with you seems kind of pointless. Of course, you probably think it does serve your stated goal because you’re kind of a dumbass...
Second, you probably didn’t understand this but my contention is that you - MR. RICKYBOI DUGAN - are a DUMBASS WHO DIDN’T UNDERSTAND WHAT HE READ. I’d advise you to google more but you probably still won’t understand what you read.
I will give you credit for the fact that at least identified reliable sources - albeit two that weren’t yet peer-reviewed. I’ll cut you slack since you probably don’t understand what that is. Overall, that puts you up on Mr. Mark and Mr. Anderson. But if you want to shoot for “geneious” I would recommend aiming a bit higher.
Third, you may just have to live with the fact that other cities and states may do things differently that you would. I suspect you haven’t actually traveled abroad so I’ll tell ya something: other countries also do things differently. Just be glad your man-crush governor is doing what you want and accept that you ain’t gonna change what NYC and CA are doing by posting your opinions on a web site for perverts.
C’mon man. You’re obviously a demented pervert. Lean into that and tell some good stories! I suspect 90% of your stories are bullshit, but most of the words are spelled correctly, your grammar is passible, and you have a good sense of narrative flow. Go with your strength and don’t waste your limited brainpower trying to understand things beyond your ken!
My armchair psychoanalysis is that you panic when you think about your latent homosexual desires and the term “boi” reminds you of those desires.
You and markyboi should powwow and see if you can solve your internal conflict. Not sayin how ya might do that, just trying to help! As always, you’re welcome! 😉
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They do this with the vaccine and the masking, just like they had been with the testing and the masking.
At least they are not telling people who have no symptoms to get tested anymore.
We all need to fight back in anyway that we can.
SJG
I don't personally favor more lockdowns by the way, they unfairly punish us vaxxed folks. I'm fine with masks overall because I'm tough enough they don't bother me.
Thanks for that tough guy. 😉
Enough already with the kids stuff though. It's pretty clear that kids are overwhelmingly unaffected by this thing. Finding a few one-offs and then pounding them doesn't make you more right, just more of a drama queen.
covid first hits. i go on living life.
i get covid. june 2020.
rest up. then live life again.
get the jabs of moderna.
live life more.
still living!…
#COVID19 spreads at:
-Church
-School
-Trump rallies
-Motorcycle rallies
It doesn’t spread at:
-“Peaceful” protests
-The southern border
-Democrat wedding receptions
-San Francisco hair salons
-Governor Newsom’s dinner
-President Obama’s birthday party’
School districts in Austin mandating masks -- direct middle-finger to gov Abbott. What great news.
https://www.statesman.com/story/news/202…
My contention: Masks don’t work. Show me evidence to the contrary
Your response: You’re ignorant.
25: You’re ignorant
Random: You’re a Republican, so that must be wrong
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/3…
Virtue signaling my ass,, if you’re wrong you’ve harmed and killed lot of people, if I’m wrong I’ve merely made them somewhat uncomfortable but they aren’t harmed
Bunch of weak idiots looking for medical advice from politicians.
I can't seem to find the edit button.
Justin: I totally believe that masks work
They are ganging up on Texas Gov Greg Abbott. I am not generally a supporter of him or of Red State thinking. But when it comes to the schools, Texas Authorities said no mandatory masking, testing, temperature taking, or social distancing.
All they are saying is that if someone is sick or has recently tested positive, they should stay home. And this has always been the policies in schools. If someone is sick, they are very vulnerable to getting something else, so better to stay home. The cure for COVID is sleep.
They are saying that in Houston there are lots of children in the Intensive Care Unit. All this really means is that they want to watch them while they are likely on immunosuppressants. Its just like when Donald Trump had it. Immunosupressants mean that there won't be much in the way of symptoms. But they need to watch for any signs of an allegoric reaction. And then I don't think they want these kinds of drugs getting into the hands of the general population. They could be used to make narcotics, probably. So they want them to be administered by medical professionals in the ICU.
What really bothers me about the hysteria is the total dishonesty in it. The original idea, as I thought was understood, was to slow COVID down so that we did not overflow the hospitals. And as I saw it at the time, this was clearly accomplished by the end of April 2020. And the plan seemed to have been to reopen at the start of May.
But then the focus changed, and they were talking about case numbers being up or down, and we had Gavin flying over our beaches in the helicopter and scolding us, and getting all exercised because the positive test results had gone from 5.1% to 5.6%. Well what this means is that for every case that tests positive, there are another 18 people standing in line to get tested, who are not showing symptoms and could not be seeking treatment. Why on earth are those people standing in line?
It was all total hysteria.
Yesterday I was at City Hall. New signs say, that masks are required to enter. And then at the bottom they say, "Thank You For Keeping Our Community Safe". Well this is crazy, the precautions cannot be expected to reduce the number of persons exposed to the virus. They only things they keep safe are the jobs of the public health officials who are behind this.
Covid Hysteria
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“The effectiveness of masks, however, is still under debate. Compared with N95 or FFP2 respirators, which have very low particle penetration rates (~5%), surgical and similar masks exhibit higher and more variable penetration rates (~30 to 70%) (2, 3). Given the large number of particles emitted upon respiration and especially upon sneezing or coughing (4), the number of respiratory particles that may penetrate masks is substantial, which is one of the main reasons for doubts about their efficacy in preventing infections. Moreover, randomized clinical trials have shown inconsistent or inconclusive results, with some studies reporting only a marginal benefit or no effect of mask use (5, 6).”
So, name calling really is the only arrow in your quiver.
25 seems to have spent all his time in comedy clubs listening to second rate insult comics.
And I suspect Johnny Carson would have had you stand in for him as Carnac always an idiot LOL
SJG
There have been exactly two posts in this thread that have referenced SCIENTIFIC LITERATURE. One was dugan’s and the other was Justin’s.
I responded to dugan’s by pointing out that the TITLE of the article that he advanced as evidence that prior infection is substantially more protective than vaccines. Both the TITLE and the ABSTRACT implied that prior infection = vaccination. So dugan is wrong about the details. But I’ll be fair and say that if that preprint passes peer review it definitely suggests that previously infected individuals don’t need to be vaccinated. What else do YOU take from that paper?
Justin posted a paper which you promptly dismissed. Then you went back and looked for info to back up your contention that the Justin’s link to a SCIENTIFIC PUBLICATION was just guesswork. To be fair, you actually quoted the paper. Your analysis of the paper would have been more convincing, however, if you had actually quoted material from the end of the paper, not the beginning. In other words, you quoted the authors’ INTRODUCTORY material (i.e., right now we don’t know if masks work) rather then their CONCLUSIONS.
Look Mark, I don’t think anybody on here is going to change anybody’s mind about anything more substantive than the best kind of pants for a lap dance. My intention was to bust your balls a bit and have a laugh. I’m perfectly happy for you to throw shit back at me. And the truth is that If you can’t take a joke that’s fine. You could politely PM me and ask me to lay off.
But I’m just you look kind of foolish when you hold yourself up as the expert debater trained in rhetoric, logic, and philosophy and then you don’t actually engage with the source relevant material
Okay, give me a minute to analyze this substance from 25
“Like I said go fuck your self dumbass motherfucker.”
I’ve said this before it’s really difficult to change the mind of a smart person with a stupid person it’s impossible
I’m unclear. Was that the time you called me a dumbass ? Motherfucker ? Stupid ? Nuts ? Ideologue ? Autistic ? Beyond help ? Weak idiot ? Right wing extremist ? Ignorant ?
Which of those comments was you trying to have a legitimate conversation ?
The CDC and Sleepy Joe and the Ho are all lying.
Pushing the vaccine on everyone just to line the pockets of the fat cats at Pfizer, Moderna, etc.
He may be too busy gargling fish piss in a cock sushi buffet, but who knows.
But instead you switch back to complaining about how twentyfive is insulting you. Personally, I don’t see the appeal of a real debate in this forum, but if you want to have one it is within your power to make that happen.
The truth is that you are guilty of a fallacious debate tactic; the “Gish gallop”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallo…
That’s when you move from topic to topic so fast you’re opponents in the debate can’t engage with specific points. Dugan provides links to three scientific publications, stating that one indicates that post-infection immunity to covid is actually better than vaccination. I respond by stating that his his interpretation of the publication is inconsistent with the title of the publication and with the abstract summarizing the work.
Now to be fair, it is clear the Mr. Dugan doesn’t want to debate. Ever notice how even the people who agree with Dugan on specific issues think he’s a douche? Hell, I’ve been shitposting for giggles and people have PM’ed me with comments about what a douche he is. Given that I’ve been being an asshole that should tell you something. Trust me, dugan does not have the high ground.
The point is that YOU claim you want to have a debate. So start a thread about the topic, avoid the Gish gallop, politely ask participants to be serious, ignore off-topic insults, and have that debate.
Definition: "Empirical evidence is information acquired by observation or experimentation. Scientists record and analyze this data. The process is a central part of the scientific method." This would be the observation aspect because you are not going to experiment on humans with a potentially lethal pathogen. Approximately 60 relevant studies were cited.
Their conclusion, stated in the abstract, in the second paragraph of text was "We find that most environments and contacts are under conditions of low virus abundance (virus-limited), where surgical masks are effective at preventing virus spread."
I have fulfilled your request to "Show me evidence to the contrary". I am not inclined to try and dissuade you from your path of willful ignorance.
The government keeps telling us what to do but does a piss poor job of explaining why we should. Don’t mask. Mask. Triple mask. Vaccines are the answer. Although, you can still get and spread the disease after vaccination. But, you should still get the shot. And, vaccinated people really need masks. Here comes Delta. Now, it’s Lamda. Maybe we should lock down again.
The “experts” have surrendered whatever credibility they once had. It’s a shit show.
Now, it is like they think they can eradicate it, and this is completely unrealistic.
When are they going to eradicate the flu, or chicken pox?
And then people die everyday. Its called finite life expectancy. COVID is not increasing our mortality or shortening our life expectancy. Universal Health Care would add 5 years to our life expectancies. But the COVID precautions accomplish nothing except the promotion of irrational superstitious fear.
SJG
The damn CDC didn't know about Delta before it existed! (Even though they warned about variants being possible)
What we of the general public need to do right now is forget about the virus, tell the public health officials to fuck off, and dump the precations.
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