Comments by docsavage (page 41)

I would agree with Maz that clubs in the far northern and southern parts of the state can be good. I thought about including the Lawrenceburg club way down by the Ohio river. If you look at my article title, it says "my top 5" and not "the top 5". I used the word "my" instead of the word "the" on purpose to emphasize these are just personal favorites. My strip club choices are different than those of a lot of club goers. When I do reviews I'll often try to add in what I like. If someone likes what I like or doesn't like what I like, then my review will be useful because they know where I'm coming from. For example, I like clubs where the girls are unusually pretty or friendly. I'll often say that in the review so the customers looking for extras will know that is not a factor I'm using in picking a club to visit and can steer clear of it and look for a club more to their liking. In addition to the sexual attractiveness and friendliness of the girls, I look at a couple of other things when deciding which clubs to visit. I like to combine my strip hobby with my other hobbies. I like to hike in state parks so I'll go to the Anderson club after visiting Mounds State Park, the Bloomington club after a visit to Brown County state park and the Crawfordsville club after going to Shades state park. I like gambling casinos so I'll go to the Lawrenceburg club in the far south after visiting a nearby casino. I like trying new restaurants so I'll visit clubs in cities with a number of good restaurants to choose from. If I'm headed north I would go to a Chicago club. I like music concerts and Chicago has a lot of those. I can eat in a Chicago restaurant, go to a rock concert to see a group I like, and go to a strip club all on the same trip. I don't think I would ever go to a Gary strip club. Gary sounds like a sad depressing place with little there to see or do. It also sounds dangerous. I did some lap dances with a pretty little black stripper in an Indianapolis club a few months back. She told me she had just moved here from Gary. I asked her why she didn't stay in Gary and work in a club there. Her response was that she left Gary because she was afraid if she stayed there she would end up getting shot.

There was a club here in Indianapolis which at one time had strippers named Summer, Winter and Autumn. They should have had a Spring too.

Jaguars has not really improved since its Harem House days. In fact, it's worse. They seem to have a great deal of difficulty finding decent girls. The last time I was there they had even hired a one legged stripper, something I've never seen in hundreds of club visits. While I was there, a fat girl came over to my table. She wanted me to do lap dances with her. I politely declined. Then, instead of going away and leaving me alone, she wanted me to buy her a drink. I politely declined once again and then she got angry and said if I just wanted to sit there and drink I should go to a regular bar. I had really gone there to find a pretty girl to do lap dances with and was quite sad there were none to be seen.

One time a stripper sat down at my table uninvited. She asked me what I did for a living and I told her I worked for the army in accounting. She then volunteered that she had a brother in the army who had been sent to Iraq and asked me what I thought of the war. I offered my opinion we shouldn't be invading them and engaging in a long term occupation. I said they liked their ways and were unlikely to look kindly on attempts to force American ways on them. She disagreed vehemently and we got into an argument about it. Even though I disagreed with her, I ended up doing a couple lap dances with her. I thought it was somewhat admirable to risk alienating me and losing a possible lap dance sale in order to defend a political belief she had strong feelings about.

My first strip club experience was in my thirties sometime around 1990 when I went to Harem House in Indianapolis with a couple of friends. The girls all ignored us and they all had unfriendly looks on their faces. The experience left me with no desire to go back. I lived near three clubs for twenty more years before I decided to try again with a nearby PT's. I walked in and sat down. I saw a guy go up to the stage to tip a very pretty girl. I went up there to tip her and she smiled at me and said I could touch her. I touched her leg and then she asked me if I would like to do a lap dance. If I hadn't run across an unusually pretty and friendly girl that might have been my last trip ever. I wonder how many guys there are who had a couple bad experiences in clubs and then never went back the rest of their lives.

I'm 65 and have been going to clubs 12 years now. One thing that has made me aware of the quick passage of time is seeing the really attractive 22 year old strippers that everyone wants to do a lap dance with eventually turn into 31 year old strippers with declining looks struggling to make any money. For every stripper who makes it to the age of forty as a stripper there are a hundred who quit before then. From the time they start to the time they leave seems to happen really fast. I'm always a little unhappy when a long time favorite regular has to quit due to declining income. I've seen some of my regulars who bragged about how much money they made back when they were young with upset looks on their faces as they realize those days are over. The good thing, though, is that when their stripper days are over they are still in their early thirties. They usually still look better than the majority of other women their age and that helps them in getting decent paying jobs and boyfriends they can move in with.

It would be hard to do a comparison. I was in my early twenties in the seventies. I would have to also be in my early twenties now or talk to a lot of guys in that age range now in order to make a mental comparison and then explain the differences. I was pretty much average. Girls said I was "kind of cute" a few times but a lot of guys did better than me. My best friend then did much better than me. He told me one time his secret was that he dropped a girl if he wasn't getting anywhere with her and moved on to another one. I would get a crush on one and stick around and try to win her over if she wasn't immediately interested. Looking back, that was a bad idea. Guys who would tell younger girls what they wanted to hear would do better than more honest guys and I was a little too honest so that hurt me too. I did better in my thirties, in spite of the appearance of AIDS in that time period, than in my twenties. Women my age were more interested in having sex with me as we both got older because as they got older they wanted a long term relationship more, had given up trying to get one with the top guys, and sex was a way to try to lure me into a long term relationship.

There are some things many strippers can never be honest about, either to themselves or each other. The over friendliness to the customers is partly fake but so are the derogatory remarks about the customers they sometimes make to each other when the customers aren't around. Their real feelings are often between one extreme and the other. Some of them may be reluctant to admit it but they know they need the customers as much as the customers need them. They often make much more money as a stripper than other jobs they could do and they have the customers to thank for that. One of my regulars I knew told me one time that some of the customers at her club were rude and disrespectful but people were rude and disrespectful to her when she worked in a fast food restaurant and she got paid a lot less in the restaurant job to put up with the rudeness there. When a customer spends a lot of money on one of these girls and are not overly demanding they are often treating her like she is someone special, someone he picked over every other girl in the club or every other way he could have spent his money. It's hard to totally hate someone who thinks you are someone special so the friendliness these girls show towards some of the customers is not totally faked.

I personally agree that 18 to 20 year olds should be allowed to be employed by strip clubs and other sex related businesses. At the same time, the 10th amendment says that powers not specifically given to the federal government should be left to the states and the people. Control of crime was not mentioned in the Constitution as being a federal function. The Founders were aware the natural tendency of governments were to move towards tyranny. State governments can be tyrannical too but are restrained somewhat because of the ease with which taxpaying productive citizens can move to other states to escape government abuses of power. So the state government of Texas, which represents the people of Texas, can decide what the legal definition of a minor is and what laws apply in this area. Many liberals tend to support states rights when states do something they like, such as legalizing marijuana, and oppose states rights when states do something they don't like, such as restricting abortions. Many conservatives are exactly the same when it comes to the issues they support or oppose. It's important to be consistent in support of states rights in order to prevent concentration of all power in the hands of the federal government.

We have one local club that is so bad it pretty much has to hire whoever applies for a job and can't discriminate at all. On my most recent visit I saw a black dancer hobbling as she walked. I looked down and she was missing a leg. She had a mechanical leg as a replacement. Another time I saw an incredibly obese black dancer get up on stage there. When she started her striptease, there were seven guys in the club. While she was up there, one by one they got up and left and by the time she left the stage I was the only customer left. She actually drove almost all the customers out the door. This club has very few customers. All successful clubs discriminate in various ways when hiring. Black dancers are traditionally less popular and therefore less hired but with the changing demographics in urban areas managers have to change with the times. Georgmicrodong in a previous comment mentioned that the Louisville PT's manager had a reputation for preferring to hire skinny white girls and the club has gotten busier since he moved to Indianapolis and the Louisville club started hiring more nonwhite strippers. I live in Indianapolis and saw this manager arrive here from Louisville. He dropped the hip hop music and changed to a rock format and started hiring more skinny white girls. I liked it but I'm an old white guy and am not at all a typical customer there these days. The skinny white girls didn't make money and left, the numbers of customers dropped and this manager was replaced. His middle aged rock playing white dj was replaced too by a young black dj who now plays all hip hop music.

"No one knows that what the vaccine triggers is anything like the natural immunity you get when you are exposed to the COVID virus". Pfizer has 932 lobbyists in Washington, Johnson and Johnson has over 600 lobbyists in Washington and natural immunity has zero lobbyists in Washington. There is a lot of money to be made by mass vaccinations. In the first half of 2021 Pfizer's net income was 10.5 billion dollars, 7 billion dollars more than the same period in 2020. In addition to the government trying to make the vaccines mandatory for everyone, thereby increasing vaccine company profits, the vaccine companies were also given legal immunity by the government from lawsuits related to negative side effects of the vaccines. Since the beginning of this epidemic, the government has tried to herd people in the direction of profitable vaccines and expensive drugs to treat Covid. For example, the only antiviral drug approved by the FDA was Remdesivir, which is still under patent, costs three thousand dollars and requires an expensive hospital stay since it is given by IV. Studies show it has little effect on reducing deaths. This is because Covid is a two stage disease, with stage one being an increase in the viral load and stage two being an increase in inflammation. Most people don't go into the hospital until they are in the inflammation stage. At that point, instead of an antiviral drug like Remdesivir, patients need steroids and antioxidants like vitamin C and n-acetyl-cysteine. Cheap antiviral drugs that are no longer under patent like Ivermectin or HCQ that are available in pill form and could be used while people are still at home going through the viral increase stage have been blocked by the government, with doctors being threatened with the loss of their licenses if they prescribe them. Gilead, maker of the expensive Remdesivir, also has hundreds of Washington lobbyists. Merck, maker of Ivermectin, has hundreds of lobbyists too but has been using them to help get FDA approval for a new patented antiviral drug they can sell for seven hundred dollars. The Japanese discoverer of Ivermectin tried to get Merck to do trials on it for Covid treatment but Merck showed no interest since they can make little money off a drug no longer under patent. What has been surprising to me is that liberals are normally for the little guy and against big corporations but have mostly lined up on the side of Big Pharma here.

This reviewer said that maybe half the girls here are backroom only and don't go up on stage. I've been going to Brad's a long time and have never noticed many girls in the club never making a stage appearance. That doesn't mean it's not true, though. Is this common there? Is it common in clubs in general? I, and a lot of other customers I would think, use their stage appearances to approach them and ask for lap dances. If they don't appear on stage, then that would make them less accessible to the customers unless they circulate around the tables instead. It has always seemed here that only the less attractive strippers approach my table and the better looking ones require me to go up to them while they are on stage and ask for lap dances.

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A Mexican dancer regular of mine at a nearby club got fired and banned from the club for getting drunk and in fights too often. After she got fired, she went to the club to do some drinking. When the manager saw her she said "you're not even supposed to be in this club". The Mexican stripper's response was "I'm not even supposed to be in this country."

I still don't know anyone who has died from this. I thought I would never get it because I had gone 65 years without ever needing to go in a hospital or even go see a doctor. I was surprised when I did get it. A woman I work with said her aunt the same age as me died from it but she had lots of health issues before she caught it. I made a fast recovery. My doctor said his patients who were cigarette smokers had difficult recoveries and it was a good thing I never smoked. I also maintain a normal weight and take a lot of nutritional supplements. Most people have inadequate diets and don't even take a daily multivitamin. Three fourth of deaths are for people 65 or over and three fourths of deaths involve people who are overweight or obese. Rather than being an anti-vaxxer, I think everyone should do a cost-benefit analysis. People in high risk categories like being older, obese or cigarette smokers should get it. The deputy director of vaccine research for the FDA said if someone is under forty they have a higher chance of being hospitalized from the side effects of the vaccine than of being hospitalized if they catch Covid if they don't get vaccinated. For them, maybe the vaccine isn't such a good idea.

I've noticed every year there seems to be fewer old white guys in the clubs. At 65 years old, I'm one myself. Last Saturday night I went to a crowded club and I'm pretty sure I was the oldest person there. Old white guys in the clubs are like dinosaurs, slowly dying out and disappearing as the environment changes and is no longer conducive to their continued existence. They have moved out of increasingly poor and dangerous cities to the suburbs where there are no clubs. Their business travel has been cut back so they don't visit clubs when they travel. They are afraid of Covid and stay away. Rather than try to lure them back, club managers have decided to focus on catering to younger guys, doing things such as changing the music format. There are two problems with this, though. Young guys have less money and are better looking than old guys so they don't need to spend money at a strip club to get female attention. If they do go to a club they just hang out and the girls get frustrated by lower incomes. The best looking girls have the most other options and quit first. The young guys, who used to complain about the old white guys monopolizing the girls, now start complaining about there being no good looking girls in the club.

Yahtzee74, that Alex Berenson article you linked to mentions that SWA may be reluctant to stand up to the Biden administration on the mandates because they received 25 billion dollars in payroll support and another 25 billion dollars in loans from the federal government last year. There is an increasing problem of large corporations going along with whatever the government wants. If they go along, they get subsidies and loans if needed and avoid big increases in taxes or regulations. If they don't go along, just the opposite happens. In an industry with multiple companies, the lone company that refuses government assistance finds itself at a competitive disadvantage compared to all the other companies receiving government money. This ends up creating a system where companies are nominally under private ownership but the government is actually telling them what to do and what not to do. There is a name for such a system. The name is "fascism".

There has always seemed to be an interest among strippers to go out to dinner with me but only as long as I appeared to not be interested. One time I told a stripper the next day was my birthday and she offered to take me out and buy me dinner for my birthday. Another time I mentioned going to a restaurant to a stripper and she got a sad look on her face and said she wished she could go there, probably an attempt to get me to offer to take her there. Another time I asked a girl in a club if she thought my regular in that club would be interested in having dinner with me and she quickly responded "I'll have dinner with you". I think this may be a ploy to lure me away from a regular in the club I'm spending a lot of money on by offering to do something they think I'll like. Also, these girls do get jealous if a customer is paying attention to another girl and not them. It's not sexual jealousy but more a desire to divert the income stream going to another girl over to them. But it's not just that. Strippers also like male attention because it gives them an ego boost that the males in the club are focusing on them and she is out competing the other strippers in the club in being the focus of all that male attention in the club.

You may just be having a run of bad luck but it is more likely there really is a decline in the quality of the clubs and the professionalism of the dancers. I've been going to Indianapolis clubs for 12 years and have watched the slow steady decline in clubs, especially over the last three years. I think about three years ago my favorite club was Harem House which at that time had Stevie, Alize, Sparkle, Chloe, Karma and Fiona. Fiona was my favorite of all. All those girls are gone now and the line up there is much worse now. I attribute it to societal changes. There is less tolerance of strip clubs now and here in Indianapolis the city government has used zoning laws and licensing laws to block any new clubs from opening for the last 25 years. Indianapolis itself has undergone a slow decline with many middle class people moving further out. No new clubs are opening further out and the existing clubs, which can't move due to the increased legal restrictions, are stuck in slowly declining areas of town. The local club scene is being subjected to a slow strangulation. The middle aged white guy customer with lots of money to spend has mostly vanished. They have either moved away, been scared off by fear of Covid or, if they stayed in town, are put off by the changed atmosphere of local clubs now filled by younger and more nonwhite customers who tend to be more rowdy and troublesome. As the number of big spenders have decreased, stripper income has declined and there is a high dancer turn over as many quit due to lack of income and are replaced. This has resulted in fewer experienced girls and more new, inexperienced and less attractive girls. New inexperienced girls are more likely to do things like complain about not making money while at the same time socializing, staring at their phones and not focusing on their job and that is what you, and me too, are running into.

Reviews that say the reviewer immediately left because the club sucks aren't very useful but reviews that say the reviewer went and only stayed a short time because there were no girls in the club are useful as long as he says what day and time he was there. Dancer preferences vary but almost every strip club goer goes primarily for the girls. If I know there are no strippers at a strip club at a certain time of day I immediately cross it off my list as a club to go to at that time. You would think a strip club would always have strippers when it is open but that is not always a safe assumption to make. No restaurant would tell customers "sorry, we don't have any food today" but I've had multiple times where I've been in a strip club with no strippers.

Here in Indianapolis, clubs are as crowded as previously late at night but customers are down earlier in the evening. The decline is because of fewer middle aged customers, due to fewer middle aged business travelers, and fewer old guys, due to a continuing fear they might catch Covid. A lot of local clubs haven't even brought back their day shifts since most customers now are showing up after ten at night. Another thing driving off some older customers is that many local clubs have switched to a all hip hop music format. Brad's Brass Flamingo has a split music format, playing rock earlier and hip hop later when the customers are mostly young guys, and they seem to have kept more of their customers by looking at the type of customers in the club at different times and adjusting the music format accordingly.

The mainstream news sites and government officials have done a poor job on providing accurate information on this disease to the public. A recent Gallup poll found that a third of people polled thought that fifty percent of people who get Covid end up being hospitalized. The actual figure is one tenth of that. Generally speaking, most people think the disease is worse than it really is and the promoted alternative, expensive drugs and vaccines, are more safe and effective than they really are. There are a couple reasons for this. People consume more media when there is a crisis so when there isn't a crisis the media has an incentive to manufacture one. One study found that there were five times as many media stories when Covid hospitalization and deaths were increasing than when hospitalization and deaths were decreasing. In the case of politicians, you need to look at the underlying motivation for their career choice. Many of the people going into politics are power hungry individuals. When there is a crisis, the public goes into a mass panic and are more willing to give the government emergency powers than they would normally. The politicians enjoy wielding these new powers. Beside power, politicians are also motivated by money. Many politicians are receiving big campaign donations from Big Pharma so that gives them another reason to promote the current narrative that the disease is extremely dangerous, vaccines and expensive currently patented drugs are the cure, and nutritional supplements and cheap drugs no longer under patent are totally useless.

For guys in their twenties or thirties, PUA strategies might work but aren't going to work for older guys. I'm 65 and there is no clever conversational gambit or form of psychological manipulation I could use on a hot twenty year old girl to get her to have sex with a really old guy like me. So, instead of wasting my time trying, if I was interested in having sex with them it would be better to offer them a financial incentive. You should always focus on your strengths when pursuing women. If you are rich use your money, if you are handsome use your looks, if you are good at persuasion use that and so on. Some of the PUA guys make a mistake in thinking their way is the only way. Where some of them do have a point is where they say this is not the nineteen fifties any more so the romantic advice given to young guys in that era, get a good paying job so you can be a provider for a wife and children, doesn't work as well as it did then. Women have less interest in that kind of guy now because they are more financially independent. Feminism has encouraged them to pursue careers so they have money from that and affirmative action has helped many of them get higher paying jobs than a system based solely on merit would. Expansion of the welfare state has given women another source of income they wouldn't have had in an earlier era. So putting a little less focus on becoming the traditional male breadwinner type and more focus on improving your looks or social skills would be a rational strategy for many young men.

As a Indianapolis resident it was interesting to see the comment by FONDL above about why Brad's Brass Flamingo here in town is the perfect club with its cute, friendly, low hustle girls who offer high levels of contact for reasonable prices. Brad's isn't perfect but I have always thought it was the best club in town. In addition to being what I think is the best local club, Brad's is the most popular. I once asked a stripper who had worked in multiple local clubs including Brad's why the other club owners who were less successful didn't study Brad's and try to copy what they were doing right. Her reply was that it was an owner male ego thing. Most club owners think they are smarter than every other club owner and have nothing to learn from anyone else.

I can't tell what specific dancers do extras but I do know what local clubs have lots of dancers doing extras. If I have a regular who I know is a no extras girl I'll sometimes ask her if she has ever thought of working at a particular local club. If she makes a face and says she would never work at a place like that it is a possible sign it is an extras club. Sometimes they'll get more explicit and come right out and say they aren't willing to do what the other girls at that club do so couldn't compete with them. Dancers move between clubs and talk to each other a lot about conditions in the local clubs. If they are a clean dancer they use this stripper grapevine to find the clean clubs and avoid the others.