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10 years ago
Jessica. She had just moved out of my hometown and I went to visit her in her new hometown in another state. Things clicked and went well for a while until we started trying to make it more interesting. It went downhill quickly after that.
Proof that practice makes perfect, and I consider that first time my first chance to practice, which means it was as far from perfect as I'll ever get.
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10 years ago
"In Detroit, $1000 would get me 3 strippers and a herd of sheep."
In fairness, three strippers and a herd of sheep are all that's left in Detroit. OK, all that's left that isn't owned by Mike Ilitch or GM.
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10 years ago
First time I go, I meet this impressively fit & busty brunette. She's friendly, she explains how the place works, she gives me great dances, the whole thing. I play the role of the puppy dog and kinda develop a crush on her.
I go back again, she's there again. This time, she's using this kind of thick, fake Spanish accent that makes it hard for me to understand her (she used no accent the first time). I dug it, though. We're doing dances and they say they're closing, but I think I hear her say in her accent to wait for me afterwards. Before I even knew what OTC was, I thought I was getting it. SWEET!
So I go to my car and I wait ... and wait ... and wait ... and she's not coming out. I'm confused. So, stupid me, I go back towards the door and go in, thinking maybe that's how it works. Wrong! She was there all right, playing pool, but the bouncers knew my car was in the lot still and knew I was still there. They made sure I didn't get to see her again and I was lucky they only put a hand behind my back as they quickly walked me out.
Guess that wasn't what I thought it was, huh. Early lesson learned.
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10 years ago
This is one of those stories where I'm sure we could find out as much as we want about it, but I don't really want to know. Considering how most of us here approach this mongering thing, it does seem like this could happen to any of us. I saw bits and pieces of the story, (ironically) Googled the woman and decided that was all I wanted to know.
The woman? No, not really my type (a little tatted up for me), but I'm guessing many of us have gotten dances from the equivalent or worse. In the pictures you see in the Google image search, she doesn't look awful when done up.
My thing is relatively simple: Sexually, I'm very open-minded. As long as no one is ending up with any unwanted children or diseases, hey, I'm pretty much game for anything. But when it comes to drugs: No thanks. In that way, I want to keep my system as clean as possible.
Without looking deeper, hard to say whether this guy was willingly doing the drugs, too, or she basically killed him. Either way, probably best to get away from anyone who wants to get you involved in that kind of stuff. At least that's my feeling.
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10 years ago
Had this happen fairly recently and it was the weirdest thing.
Away from my non-extras-friendly hometown in a place that's very extras friendly, but on a busy schedule, so I decide to hit my favorite, most-reliable place during the day (something I generally don't like to do, but had to take advantage of the opportunity). The place generally opens at 1 p.m. on the day I went, but I got the impression they were maybe getting a late start as it appeared they were doing a review when I got in at 2 p.m., which made me think that maybe they had just opened.
Anyhow, girl on stage catches my eye. Body like Kate Upton's. Black hair and not the greatest face, but I loved the big naturals so I tipped her a few times and told her to find me off stage.
We do some talking, including about some sexual things, and it turns out she's kind of a nympho who loves threesomes and has been to a gangbang or two and does some kinky stuff with her boyfriend. I discuss how I've tried to up my knowledge of female anatomy and whatnot through the years. She's also only 18. Goodness.
So we go in the back. She's great, but it's almost like it's too much pressure, given everything. Little Jim's just not in the mood. But, I at least wanted to say something happened, so I did some practice with my fingers. She had to cover her mouth a few times so she wouldn't be heard and may or may not have left a wet spot on the couch.
So we get done and price hasn't been discussed yet at all. I pick up my wallet, I look at her and say, "So, about this ... " She just kind of shrugs and says, "Well, whatever you think." I figure I better give her something fair, but I also don't want to give her too much. $200 seems like a good amount.
So she takes it -- and she gives me $20 back. "I like to take care of my customers. Put it towards the valet."
Really? I mean, really? Of all the things I'd never expect, that was it. Wasn't sure if this was common, or if it was because she liked it, or me, or what. But it really seemed like the absolute least likely thing I'd ever expect to have happen in a club. You expect to be milked for every possible dollar when you go, and a dancer gives you money back.
Just ... strange.
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10 years ago
Been through once. Stopped at a place called Angel's. Very pleasantly surprised. Talent was young and mostly very cute.
It's not often you see women smile in this business, but one did often on stage and it was beautiful -- a nice change from what you usually see. Wanted to get a dance with her, but it was late and I just ran out of time. Got a dance from another spinner who was kind of goth but was almost seemed too cute to be goth. Friendly and fun. There was one girl who looked a lot like Selena Gomez who almost seemed too young to be there. I didn't really have an interest in her.
Given your reviews, you probably know this, but Kalamazoo is definitely within shouting distance of Detroit (two-hour drive). I sensed, if you ask the right questions to the right girl(s), you might be able to find out about some fun things to do outside the club in Kalamazoo. But with regards to Detroit-like club mileage ... I didn't sense that was on the table. I'd still prioritize Detroit over Kalamazoo if given the choice.
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10 years ago
The first time I was ever with a woman intimately, my gameplan, which hasn't really ever changed, was to do a lot of work with the tongue and fingers first to prove my worth, then get after it.
I get everything off, head down there and she says, "No, I don't like that." SERIOUSLY?
I was seriously thrown and nothing went well after that.
(The second time, I got to start, but at one point, I pulled my fingers out and saw blood. I thought I had been too rough. Nope. Turns out I just had perfect timing, or perhaps I should say she had a surprise visitor with perfect timing.)
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10 years ago
One thing to consider might be finding a different position in your field that is fewer hours, less pay or in some way less taxing, then picking up side work in something you find as a passion -- especially if music or sports is your real "thing."
I have a talent for IT, so that's what I do as my day job, even though there are times it either bores me to tears or is frustrating dealing with folks who don't "get" technology. But I also do a lot of freelance work on the side. It doesn't supplement my income a ton, but it doesn't hurt, either. It gives me impetus to travel, it's what I enjoy and it keeps me much more relatively sane than if I didn't do the work.
It's only been in the last couple years that I've started to stress out about it, because I've been becoming good enough at the freelance stuff that people want to hire me a lot, particularly over the summer, which has started eating into my day job.
But it's like they say: Find a job doing something you enjoy and it's not really a job. For most of us here, the first thing we'd probably list would be "strip club dance quality control evaluator," but beyond that non-existent position, there has to be something that would at least ease your mind & body a bit.
I'll send you a PM with more specifics.
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10 years ago
kowalskypage.com -- gives you the best of all sites.
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10 years ago
Send over Keeley Hazell or Lucy Pinder to help me out and I'll gladly donate.
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10 years ago
I try to be polite but swift.
If a girl is hustling for dances, she's hustling for money. If I'm not interested in giving it to her, I want to at least be courteous enough for her to know that she's better off spending her time trying to get that money from some other guy. It's one thing to not give her what she wants. It's another thing to keep her from getting what she wants.
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10 years ago
lopaw: That's a fairly common tale about women, their vibes and orgasms.
See, I love the female orgasm. Love it, love it, love it. Have done a lot of reading about how it happens for different women. Very unafraid to get a vibe involved if that helps, or fingers, or tongues, or whatever. Giving is just as, if not more important than, receiving to me.
If a woman gives me a chance, she's usually not disappointed. You can't just go to a bar and advocate that you have studied how to give females orgasms, though, and the women will generally pick based on factors I don't have, notably height, muscularity and God-given looks. Most women don't give me the chance.
... and this is why I club.
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10 years ago
This is the rare time I have a quick answer:
The difference comes out of her tip. If it's greater than the amount of her tip ... then no tip. Her poor customer service, her loss.
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10 years ago
There was a shot girl at my current most regular stop, which is topless and not nude, I was really into. Part of the way she got me hooked was by allowing me to do some Y-dining while she stood in front of me in the couch room.
While she seemed to like it, and liked me enough to give me her phone number and seek me out in one visit afterwards, she was always busy with something whenever I tried to get together with her, even at the club. Damn shame. Gave up eventually.
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10 years ago
Remind me not to rent a tux from anywhere near you. Or to at least look really carefully for stains.
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10 years ago
If we were to play FMK with a stereotypical Playboy playmate, pornstar and your club ATF, mine would go like this:
F: The Playmate
M: The ATF
K: The Pornstar
The Playmate would be fun to get with, but would be too high-maintenance over time.
The pornstar wouldn't even bare very good at acting into it without sounding fake, would know crap about foreplay and would probably expect drugs at some point.
I pick my ATFs based in part on their sensuality and their ability to screw their heads on straight in conversation. It makes a difference.
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10 years ago
Stupid question on her part. All it takes is one girl to give you, and subsequently her, an STD. How many you've been with, while a statement on odds, still doesn't guarantee anything.
Nonetheless, to get what it's implied you want, "No" is the correct answer. Because that will make her feel like it's safer. You don't want to sound like it's your first time, because then she's going to think, "Why is he setting the terms?" (Goodness knows we all know it's not.) But you don't want her to think you've banged every dancer in Detroit.
She sounds fun. You might have to PM me more info as I'll be in that area in another couple weeks.
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10 years ago
Last time I went to an extras-available club, I held back for a while before going. The way she, um, handled things, I ended up getting some in her hair. She had to know what was, um, coming. Oops on both of our parts.
Thing was, it was early enough in the night and my budget that I felt like I could go another round later. Unfortunately, however, no one came along in time that caught my fancy. Disappointing.
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10 years ago
Avoid girls in a bachelorette party (I'm assuming that's what the dick-shaped rubber band is all about). "Woo hoo, look at us, we're so wild!" It's really just a giant woman-bonding experience. They're out to become better friends with each other by doing embarrassing stuff, not meet men.
If it was easy for me to get laid without paying for it, I wouldn't club. As a guy who's short and unathletic, it's not. A lot of the time, it's a lot easier to just skip the flighty women who barely give you the time of day at the bar, or say "Thanks" when you buy them a drink and not even give you the opportunity to start a conversation before walking away and just cut to the chase: You want money. I want to see you naked. Let's go.
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10 years ago
jerikson makes some good points.
Fact of the matter is, maybe it's all those non-stripper women who are wrong and the strippers who are right. They're finding a way to provide for their family and providing a service to guys that they want. As long as diseases aren't transmitted and no one's getting pregnant ... I have a good time and give you something you want, you have a good time and give me something I want. What's the problem?
It's all behind closed doors, anyway. It's all anonymous. That's the great thing. No one has to know, nor should anyone -- not the mom, or the kids, or anyone. Doesn't matter. Just two folks doing what they need to do and making someone else's life better through a trade of resources.
When you free your mind a bit and say, "OK, throw out what everyone else thinks, which you can do since this all goes on in private, and just consider it with logic," I don't see what the problem is either way.
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10 years ago
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shailynnThey never tell you what you need to know.
My limit is two hours.
Compared to Milwaukee, Chicago clubs provide a better combination of mileage and girl hotness, albeit at a higher price (but I'm OK with that). All things aside, I've had better experiences there than I've had in Milwaukee. But the south side of Chicago is as far as I'm comfortable going in one night. NWI starts getting a little far away for me, and there's not really anything worthwhile to the north or west.
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10 years ago
I've had better luck through the years with OTC when I've been out of town rather than in town.
Think about it: If you're business-like (i.e. not a trucker or some occupation from that ilk) and from out of town, good chance you're in on business and have a hotel room -- also, good chance it's a nice one. If you're traveling for business, you're probably in a fairly important, well-paying job, and you're away from home, where you're more likely to be without spouse/kids and perhaps open to some company.
If you're from around the area, good chance you live with your SO (or, for the young'ens, their parents), making OTC more difficult. You could have any sort of job and have just come home, cleaned yourself up and went out. At that point, the "where do you live" question gives a good indicator of your demographics, but I think OTC could be seen as less of a possibility.
The one time I had my most straightforward OTC experience, it was when I had gotten a great Hotwire deal on a very nice downtown hotel in a city that has a lot of conventions (but wasn't having any that weekend). Dressed sharp and let the girl know I was from out of town and where I was staying straight out. She straight-out proposed the idea of providing company almost immediately after. She wasn't worth it in the end, but it was a rather thrilling accomplishment, especially considering it took all of, like, 15 minutes at the club for me to pull it off, as she had just taken the stage when I got there and found me right after her rotation ended.
Nonetheless, I still answer this pretty honestly. I prefer my women high-end, so I've come to accept the odds at home are fairly slim. On the road, maybe a little better.
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10 years ago
I would think that there's a way a dancer could both see herself as working ethically and still get a good payday from someone with a disability. I think the dancer would have to be very understanding and figure out why the person is there.
I work with a man in a wheelchair and I think he gets tired of pity. I think most guys like him would probably know that a woman isn't really into him, but if they could just get the experience of having a woman on them, moving, for a while, they'd be happy just to have the experience.
Maybe watching "The Sessions" by Helen Hunt might be a good thing, both for dancers and for you guys.
As for the "love-struck kid"? I think most of us have been there with what I like to call our FATF (first all-time favorite, probably the woman who impressed us most the first or second time we ever went to the club). Interesting story on my first "education": First time I go, I meet this impressively fit & busty brunette. She's friendly, she explains how the place works, she gives me great dances, the whole thing.
I go back again, she's there again. This time, she's using this kind of thick, fake spanish accent that makes it hard for me to understand her (she used no accent the first time). I dug it, though. We're doing dances and they say they're closing, but I think I hear her say in her accent to wait for me afterwards. Before I even knew what OTC was, I thought I was getting it. SWEET!
So I go to my car and I wait ... and wait ... and wait ... and she's not coming out. I'm confused. So, stupid me, I go back towards the door and go in, thinking maybe that's how it works ... wrong! She was there, all right, playing pool, but the bouncers knew my car was in the lot still and knew I was still there. They made sure I didn't get to see her again and I was lucky they only put a hand behind my back as they quickly walked me out.
Guess that wasn't what I thought it was, huh. Early lesson learned.
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10 years ago
Checklist of things I expected to see here:
'Guts' pun: Check
Slim Goodbody reference: Check
My work here is done.