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13 years ago
Frankly with what we know about the health risks of tanning beds do you still expect your dancers to be tanned at all? Honestly I am beyond thinking that pale skin is ugly, but then again several years ago I had a melanoma.
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13 years ago
Male bartender OK. Waiters rather than wiatresses, more unusual. Bear in mind that if the club had an absolute must be female rule on anybody other than the performers they would be open for sexual discrimination lawsuits.
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13 years ago
The biggest factors are whether (and how large) the club charges a 'stage fee' and a 'tip out' amd whether or not the girls are required to be employees and get a minimum wage. A club with a minimum wage, no stage fees and no tip out might well get all of the dances up to a certain point. A club with a large stage fee and/or tipout may have the dancers keep all of the dance fee.
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13 years ago
Be direct but not crude. The girls get this question all the time so they know how to handle it. Phrasing it in a new way will not likely make the difference. If you want a kind of indirect way of asking say 'I'd like to spend some time wiht you somaeplace less (noisy, crowded, etc) than here.'
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13 years ago
Sexy pole tricks rather than simply gymnastics.
Definitly slow and sensual
I don't mind conversation, but at a flirty level. I don't want to hear about all your problems. I am here to get away from problems and worries.
lingere and bikini's are costume. Would you normally be wearing a bikini in a bar? Don't go with an outfit that might be complex to get off.
One further hint that a lot of performers miss...exit the stage gracefully and sexily. The performance may be over but you are still being watched by the customers who are evaluating your personality.
Smoking absolutely not although that is not a problem here as there is a no-smoking law. Don't be so soused as to be unable to dance well.
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13 years ago
Well, to start with, does this club deserve to stay open? Have they operated in a responsible manner. Has there been any record of underage performers, drug use, violence outside or inside the club? Do they handle their own security well? Do they cooperate with law enforcement whenever asked and kept their place well maintained? Do they draw a clientelle that is well mannered and not unruly folks like bikers and gangbangers?
They do? Well there you have the basis of your presentation. Without saying so imply that there are a lot of other club owners in other places that run that other kind of place and who knows what might move in if they got rid of their responisbly managed adult nightclub.
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13 years ago
Going simply by the words of the term it ought to be the one dancer that you have enjoyed best.
I agree that many folks use ATF to mean their current number one. If their ATF leaves dancing they find another 'all time' favorite?
Personally I would regard using the term as a warning sign that I was getting too emotionally attached to a stripper.
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13 years ago
I thought that was what Pahrump Nevada was for.
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14 years ago
We all know that the majority of the money spent in a strip club is spent on dances. Unless the club operators have some way of tapping into that revenue stream they aren't going to cover their rent and expenses. Some clubs do it with stage fees, others charge the dancer for each dance sold.
As to what is fair I can only say that those system which place all the risk on the dancers, where the dancer could go home in ther red, are less fair. In addition systems in which the security is paid by being tipped by the dancer is ripe for coercion and bribery.
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14 years ago
Depending on rush hour traffic it may take you over an hour each way but two hundred should be enough to have you leaving satisfied in the following locations:
Deja Vu City of Industry
Strip Joint Pomona
Tropical Lei Upland
Synn City of Industry
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14 years ago
Strip clubs in California are required to treat dancers as employees and yet they do all right.
Nearly every place that this has been litigated the clubs have lost. The problem is that they put so many rules on dancer behavior that the notion that the dancers are independent winds up being unsupportable.
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14 years ago
You are much more likely to get a girl to hang with you for a while with drinks in a club. It is, at least secondarily, what they are there for. The club girls will be suspicious of a street girl in their territory, and vice-versa. Besides, the street girls are of a distinctly lower quality both is looks and conversation skills.
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14 years ago
I think a dancer wanting return visits would:
1. Escort you back to your seat.
2. Leave with a final thank you.
3. Give you a smile if she walks by you or catches your eye later.
Apart from that it might be considered selfish if she doesn't 'release' you for other dancers to try to sell to you or conversely get in the way of your getting dances with other ladies.
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14 years ago
@samsung1 Turns out that promptly after the 'sting' operation, and before Live Action had published, Planned parenthood had alerted the FBI about a possible national child prostitution ring that had been trying to use their services.
The planned parenthood staff had been 'giving advice' for the purpose of collecting information to give to the FBI.
Who was stinging who?
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14 years ago
@Santiago This is not a plan that I am actually expecting to execute. I do not have the money, nor do I know the details of this site. In general a cabaret license will specify a number of seats or a square footage and will specify an address. Usually to change any of those parameters requires an ammendment, and if the city is not granting any new licenses they aren't going to grant any ammendments to 'grandfathered' locations. So the bar part of the pair really would have to be a separate facility, perhaps not even including any direct connecting door.
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14 years ago
@steve...the not selling would be the official story. In reality more than a few guys would be looking to get OTC action by showing up at the after-hours bar, but you want to keep yourself clear of any accusation that your bar was a bordello.
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14 years ago
I live within a few minutes of the City of Industry. Definitly target-rich
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14 years ago
The thing is, prostitution is a paying of money for sex. It is not expressing desire for sex. Nor is it having sex. None of these lines include money. So to convict the police would have to then prove that the subsequent offer of two hundred to go to the vip was sex for money which she had already said she wanted to do without any money.
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14 years ago
I do not live too far away. I will try to swing by tomorrow or friday and at least say if the sign is lit and the doors are open.
I would not put to much into the speculation about the stadium. The COI is a long narrow stretch and the location of HT is over a dozen miles away. There are several closer clubs.
As to problems with the landlord the club has been there for some time and at least as of a few months ago also had two massage parlors in the same center. Maybe the landlord ran into problems and there is a new landlord with different standards. Anyhow, plenty of other vacant space is not too far away, most likely towards the east on Gale.
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14 years ago
I think we are confusing a couple of issues here. Performers do not charge less for a BJ than FS because they find one harder or easier than the other. They charge more because they think (correctly) that men will pay more.
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14 years ago
The stage is the ultimate quandry in current strip club management. Because the dancers and thus the club make so much of their money from the personal dances and so little at the stage rail the stage dance is frequently regarded as a waste of time and effort. Sure the guys are previewing the dancers, but the girls know that they can get personal and talk some guy to the back room whether or not they had a great stage dance. Many clubs make the situation worse by installing lots of TV screens. A girl is going to put a lot of effort into the dance if everybody is looking at the baseball game?
The problem is that a dull stage dance, or even worse long stretches of empty stage, ruin the vibe of the club. I think absent the need for a stage to maintain a cabaret license some clubs would just as well get rid of it for all it is adding to the club's appeal.
The challenge is how to make the stage the focus of attention and give the dancers a motivation for quality performance.
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14 years ago
I think she might be rationalizing that if there was no offer then there can be no way to get butstd for prostitution.
BTW, what generaly is the risk of STD from a bareback hand job? It is substantially greater if she uses her spit for lubrication?
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14 years ago
Honety plus humor usually is the best approach. "I may be getting a VIP just before I head out, but not yet. I'll let you know if you won the glass slipper"
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14 years ago
The Mons Venus cam is not live. If you want proof open it up and then in a different browser session open it up again. The two pictures will not match!
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14 years ago
Strippers are selling a fantasy. Why shouldn't part of the fantasy be that they are enjoying it?