Asking about OTC

Be direct but not crude. The girls get this question all the time so they know how to handle it. Phrasing it in a new way will not likely make the difference. If you want a kind of indirect way of asking say 'I'd like to spend some time wiht you somaeplace less (noisy, crowded, etc) than here.'

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@inno123 - thanks. How likely is it that they'd be willing to actually do this?

@CTQWERTY - Just trying to do this right, without attracting too much attention.

Just tell her you'd like to fuck her sometime. Ask early on before she gets the idea that she can make more by stringing you along but not putting out.

Some girls do OTC, others don't. Some girls will agree to it the first time they meet you, others take longer. Which is yours?

The ones who are part-time escorts will usually let you know that OTC is on the menu very quickly - you don't even have to hint about it. She will initiate the idea with, "we should get together sometime", or something similar.

Others, if you ask, may suggest that "we should get to know each other a little better", or if they don't they will tell you flat out they don't fuck strangers.

If you've done your TUSCL intel on the club, and you're still not sure if you're at *Chateau de Hoe*, try mumbling, "wow, this would sure be better if we were somewhere else...". Chances are slim that you'll get tossed out.

The best kind is one you get to know after a period of time, the chemistry is good, and she is delivering increasingly hot dances. Probably some extras, or even FS ITC. You can be fairly direct about "could we get together outside of here"? and she will likely be eager to take you up on it.

These days, I'm OK with FS ITC where available. Takes a lot less time and costs less, too. Doggie style is harder to do.

As per mmdy26's comment, if a girl has OTC on the menu, she'll generally let you know, especially if you show some keen enthusiasm with her during LDs/VIPs. A dancer can sense you might be a good prospect and will often offer her number so you can "see when they're working again" (the indirect approach) or "perhaps get together sometime" (the direct approach). Either way, you have her unsolicited number, which is a good sign she'll actually answer/respond back if you call.

If she doesn't offer you her number unsolicited, and you still want to have sex with her, then it's a trickier situation. If she's an ATF-caliber girl with whom you gotten lots of dances and chatted up several times, I'd suggest broaching the topic fairly directly by asking her if she'd enjoy getting together at a favorite hotel sometime (or suggest a specific time if you have one). This removes any confusion about your intentions, so she doesn't get confused and think you just want to go out socially without necessarily sex (at least initially). And trust me, she's more likely to see you for OTC action than to want to "date" you socially.

If she agrees, then you're golden. If not, there's still a pretty good chance you can remain on favored terms. There's always a chance though, as has happened with one of my favs, that she'll feel like you're abusing the little connection you got going at the SC. She may truly be dancing part-time while in school, etc., and sees herself as a dancer only (not a potential prostitute) and you as a decent man with whom she can talk and relax in that crazy club, and make a few bucks dancing for you. If you reach for more, you could spoil that relatively innocent connection, and become just another PL she puts up with in the club.

I'd say if you really want to seek OTC in general, and you have a fav or two who'd make it a special experience, then it's worth a shot. If you do lose a fav over it, then there will be others who come along, any one of whom could fulfill your OTC desires.

mmdv26, Rod8432 - Thanks, that's really helpful. I've seen this girl a few times at the club already, the last time I've been there I got a number of lap dances (which have been amazing), tipped her quite well, got quite a bit of attention (little gestures like a hug, kisses, etc.). She also doesn't mind me touching (even though this club doesn't officially allow it). Overall she is probably one of the most flirtatious girls in the club. I'll be going to see her tomorrow, will be getting a couple of LDs, and I guess I'll see where it goes with OTC.

gsv, where are you located? If you are in NYC, maybe just go over to Canada and hire a legal escort instead. Much easier than dealing with stripper shit and their bullshit excuses that they make at the very last minute.

samsung1 - yup, I'm in NYC. Though I am not sure that going to Canada is really an option. I realize it may be cost exorbitant, but aren't 'escorts' legal in NYC as well?

samsung, Canada is several hours away from here - LOL. Kinda' difficult for a "scratch the itch" moment. ;)

gsv, after there has been some rapport building, and you have already paid her something in som fashion, usually something along the lines of "I'd really like to talk you out of her tonight", murmured discreetly in her ear, is as good a line as any. If she is game, she will let you know, but keep your eyes open for girls that string you along with "We'll see" or "I need to get to know you first." These phrases are almost sure signs that you need to move on.

And btw, NYC is a difficult place to monger, especially Manhattan. A lot of the girls in the better known clubs are making good money ITC so are not feeling much pressure to do OTC. It can be done, but it is generally harder to find and is usually costly. In fact, you'd probably do much better for much less by dialing up an escort. But if you have your heart set on mongering, you'd probably have a better time of it out in Queens or the Bronx.

In 20 years of mongering at strip clubs I have found:
- it's easiest to just have fun at a club within the normal boundaries (what most girls do there)
- it's not too difficult to find a girl that will do more in a club, but only in some clubs (in NYC area, try clubs in Bridgeport or Stamford CT, or Irvington NJ)
- it's more difficult to arrange OTC - it helps to cultivate a few girls to the point where they know you have the money and decent personal habits; then just ask, "Do ever have fun with a guy outside the club? I would like to do that."

In my experience, after you have done some lap dances, and paid her and made her nice and happy, you can usually ask in a gentlemanly way whether , in general, she meets up with people outside the club. Usually a simple "Do you ever do meetups outside the club with clients?" kinda thing. They always do a simple answer, yes or no, and never have taken offense.

Now that said, I recommend you save some money for a holiday weekend and take yourself down to Houston TX. There is so much sex to be had there, inside, outside, where ever you want it. Try Treasures, The Ritz, Michaels, St. James... There is so much action to be had, you may never leave.