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14 years ago
HarryDave: true, not all dancers are gold diggers.. not all dancers are ROBs.. But, the problem is, there isn't a stamp on the foreheads of those that are. There's no way to tell. It's a dancer's job to "hustle" in order to make money. They have 8 hours a day to practice their game.
I don't know how many times I've told myself, "either what she is telling me is true, or she's an incredible actress". Think about it... if one practiced the art of lying and acting, it wouldn't take long to become very accomplished at it.
The sad thing here is, there ARE some dancers that are truthful and genuine, but you can't trust them either.
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14 years ago
Right Clubber... it's not like it broke me... pissed me off more than anything that I was soo stupid (and let that other brain do way too much thinking). Like I said, I DID have several good times out of it, too... some good memories, if I hit the mental "pause" button before the ugliness...
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14 years ago
I prefer the girls just starting their shift; preferably a girl that has yet to dance for a guy on her shift.
It's more of a cleanliness / germophobe perspective. I don't want to even consider that there is saliva (or worse) on her from a previous customer. I don't want to lick a nipple that might have already been licked by some scaggy guy...
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14 years ago
I would guess that all of us - or at least the majority of us ... well, I know >>I<< have - been burned once or twice in our careers.
Like MGAL said, you always think that it couldn't happen to you, especially us "savvy SC guys!" Well, my BIGGEST burn came less than a year ago, after 20+ years of clubbing experience.
Admittedly, I was on the "rebound" after spending almost 3 years with my ATF, OTCing almost exlusively and about a year and a half of that I had a second OTCer (same club - BBF, different shift). I would spend the afternoon with my ATF, then the night with my 2nd OTCer. My ATF basically disappeared (long story) and the secondary OTCer became too much of a drama case, so I severed that arrangement. I went from two at once, to NONE.
I needed another girl to play with and fill the huge void left by my ATF (that loss hurt - still does!). So I hit IS in Hammond and found THE perfect girl, who just happened to be from my little home town. OTC match made in Heaven. She agreed to OTC THAT night.. met a few blocks away from IS to coordinate the trip to my hotel. She told me she'd never done this and was still scared and apprehensive. She wanted paid up front, to prove that I could be trusted. (RED FLAG) I gave her $250, and she was going to follow me. We drove off, and about five minutes later there was a semi behind me, instead of her car. Man did I feel stupid!
The next day, back in my home city, she called me, apologizing and had a complex story about what happened, but said she still wanted to see me. We arranged a hotel visit for the next week, and had a FANTASTIC time with this scorching hot beauty (a solid 9). I'd got a room with a jacuzi, and she didn't hesitate to hop in and play... She gained back my trust. On the way back to drop her off at her other job, she tells me she needed money to register for class at SMC... all she needed was $1500. What the hell, I didn't pay for the afternoon, which was TOTALLY incredible, so we stopped at the bank, while she was all lovey-dovey snuggled up to me in my car, rubbin my thigh lovingly..
Next, she called me the next day crying... her "drug addict brother" stole the money that I had given her and she still needed to register for class. PLUS, he'd taken her rent money, too. Now she needed $2,000.00. I told her I could only give her money if she met me again. I booked another hotel for the following day. The plan was, she would meet me at the hotel, we'd play a little, then she'd go register for class and come back later in the afternoon and spend the night with me... "free". (such a bargain!!) We played.. and played, and after I was nearly delirious, she got dressed and headed out to register. You guessed it... she never came back. Stupid again!
Two days later, she called with yet another story of what happened (blamed ME because her ex-boyfriend supposedly saw the hotel key in her purse, and made a big scene, yadda yadda...) She wanted to get together so that she could make it up to me..
Yet again, I arranged a hotel. (incidentally, my wife was so suspicious of the sudden numerous business trips... pretty nearly got me on the divorce path). The plan was to go to dinner, then back to the hotel for the whole night.. again "free". She showed up, I met her at her car, ready to go out to eat. She greeted me with a tremendous kiss, and some hand work that made me want to take her right there in the parking lot. Then she tells me that she really hated to ask, but she needed money to buy a new car (her car actually supposedly belonged to her parents and they needed it back). She only needed $800, but if I gave her $1000, she could pay for her books, too. Instead of going out to eat, she needed to go pay for the "new" car, and exchange cars. She would then come back to the hotel and give me a night I would never forget (which she said as she'd worked her hand inside my pants and had all of the blood in my body, now throbbing inside her sexy fingers). Off she went with the $1,000. You guessed it.. she never showed.
The funny thing is, every fuckin' time, I KNEW she wasn't going to come through.. fuckin' KNEW it, but still, I shelled out the money.
I knew how COMPLETELY idiotic I was all along, but typing this just now, I cannot believe that I could've been taken like that. The only redeeming factor is that I had some REALLY hot sex, with probably the hottest girl I have ever been with... for "free", but I was out $4,750!
It was a VERY expensive lesson, but a lesson well learned. Upon my return to the SC scene, I had another "sure thing" OTCer lined up, who even before we hooked up, was calling and asking for money (geesh, do they have a list on the internet of PLs that are easy to take money from, or what?!) I turned her loose.. haven't seen her in the club since.
I should have my lifetime membership at TUSCL revoked for my stupidity.
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14 years ago
MR... two at the same club, and same shift.. That's a recipe for drama if I ever heard one.
I innocently fell into that - without even knowing it was going to be viewed as a faux pas, quite a few years ago, in my less experienced days.
Probably almost 10 years ago, I'd been visiting one dancer (Brandy) for several visits in a row, however she wasn't out on the floor when I came in. I didn't even know if Brandy was working that night, when a most delightfully hot girl sat at my table (Destiny). I knew right away that I had to have a dance with her, so we went off to the wall for a dozen+ dances. By this time, Brandy had come out on the floor, and unknown to me had been sitting at a table not far from us, glaring. When Destiny and I adjourned back to our table, Brandy also came over and had some things to say. Desting, 'caught in the middle said she didn't know I was a "regular" of Brandy's and then BOTH Brandy and Destiny were pissed at me. Destiny stormed off with Brandy on her heels reading her the riot act. I heard things were heated in the dressing room. A while later, Destiny came back out, eyes red.. saying that she wouldn't dance for me any more.
My gosh! I'd only visited Brandy on like 6 visits.. I STILL cannot believe it became such a big deal.
Moral of the story, once I find a "curr fav" dancer, I tend to stick with her - and away from her co-dancers - it's easier. (at least until recently, though they ARE on different shifts)
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14 years ago
Thanks for the great advice... I think I might use a mixture of the solutions. Right now, Miss Night Shift is "performing better" in the way of communications, and I'm pretty sure she is looking at this as more of a "relationship" than a customer / provider type thing.
She's going through a tough time, and from the sounds of it - maybe divorce, so I think she's vulnerable. This pattern seems to happen to me over and over for seem reason. I've mentioned in other postings that a similar situation is what led to me leaving the SC scene for 3-ish years... Things damned near came to ME getting a divorce and ending up with what is my ATF - and probably always will be.
Vulnerable girls are just that... vulnerable, and might, in the long run, be the better play.
Next week is my next scheduled visit.. still debating... Night Shift might win out on this one...
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14 years ago
Well, after "experiencing" Ashley Madison for about two weeks, I've totally given up and decided it was a waste, cut my losses and forget about it. BUT, another site is showing some promise. www.fling.com. Being in a mood for some strange, and knowning that my next visit to see my dancer friends is about a week off, decided to give that one a try. In two days, I've gotten messages (and replies to MY messages). One appears to be VERY promising... pictures look good enough to eat (and hope to). Well see where things go... will update if/when things change...
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14 years ago
When I find a dancer that I like and want to spend more time with in the future - especially of the OTC variety, I give them my card (I know... that ISN'T the wisest thing to do, but I live on the edge in many ways). Sometimes, they ask for it first, which is a good sign.
To me, it's important to establish a communication channel. I need to be able to coordinate my ITC visit when they are there.
Agreed, they will promise to call, and almost always they don't call when they promised (ie I'll call you tomorrow), but sooner or later, they always call. (probably the major reason is they need you to come in and spend money)
Once things progress to the OTC phase, communication is a necessity. Gotta make those arrangements! Also, if something changes at the last minute - and sometimes they do for me OR the girl, you gotta be able to adjust. I've even had to direct them to my hotel, turn by turn...
The bottom line is... you GOTTA establish the communication channel!
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14 years ago
THanks for the diversion... always up for lookin' at hot girls!
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14 years ago
Where'd this topic go from terms of endearment (a phrase for a hot girl) to the phrases describing ugly girls?!
Well, here's another ... you've heard of Cougars (older woman attractive to younger guys)... how about Bengals (nice uniform, but ugly helmet - translated, nice body, ugly face)
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14 years ago
Agreed... I think I'd play to have someone perform that service. Hmmm... that's KIND'a like a wingman... maybe we could call him a CHICKENwingman...
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14 years ago
I'm very picky, but I have had pretty good luck finding good dancers to play with, for the most part.
My biggest problem is losing them before communication channels are established. I've found a few dancers that could easily have risen to ATF status, but after the first encounter I have never seen them again. That is totally frustrating.
One recent dancer might have given me THE best dances that I've ever had... between her talented hands, perfect style, beautiful face and sex facial expressions, she kept things hard all night (thought I might have to go to the ER for the 4+ hour erection! [wink]) I've been back at least six times since, and she's not been there. No one knows where she went... or when she will be back.
Fortunately, while making visits to the MIA blonde goddess, I have established two curr favs (one day shift, one night shift) so I can't complain too much.
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14 years ago
The biggest strike against our local hooters... they let their pregnant staff wait tables. A few weeks ago, one of the pregger girls (who was actually one of the least appealing when she WASN'T pregnant) waited on our table. Pregnant, she is pretty much disgusting. We pissed her off by relocating, and experiended the wrath of her and the manager by way of dirty looks the entire time we were there. I don't care... it was worth it. Having an unattractive Hooters girl defeats the purpose of going there.
Another drawback is, as was mentioned, the prices. We joke about the free lunch (after 7 punches on the Hooters card, you get a free lunch) costing about $6.00. That IS pretty sad.
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14 years ago
My local Hooters happens to have some top-notch talent. One is actually in the 2011 calendar. They also have a hostess (meaning she's probably not old enough to wait tables, yet) is the hottest girl I have seen in a long time. If she were dancing at a SC, I'd spend the farm on that!
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14 years ago
I come in on the high end, I guess. I like to have fun and enjoy a party atmosphere. I buy a lot of drinks (for me and any dancer[s] at my table). Plus I spend a lot of time getting dances (don't pay per dance, though).
I also spend a LOT of time when I make it to the club. I come a long way and not that often, so I more than make up for it.
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14 years ago
I've also heard the food is good at BBF, but I can't bring myself to eat it. I just have this thing about worrying who hasn't washer their hands and where those hands have been...
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14 years ago
Player: agreed on the photo session turn-on! I have a pretty large collection of pics from several of my OTC friends. Not all of them will allow it, but when they do, it can be a lot of fun, for both of us.
Several have enjoyed it so much that it became a routine everytime that we met. They'd bring their entire collection of outfits, spread them out on the bed and let me pick which ones I wanted to see them model.
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14 years ago
My last visit to HH (last week), there was a guy that was sitting in the crowd, front and center in front of the stage. He was there the whole time that I was (plus had been there a few hours before I got there). The thing was, he didn't spend a cent... didn't tip a single dancer, didn't get a single drink. Just sat there. He was freaking the staff out. He was kind'a nerdy looking and I'd guess he was shy or something. My dancer informed me that the doormen were debating on kicking him out. That debate went on all day, while I was there. I was actually torn between feeling sorry for the guy, and concerned that maybe he was about to pull a gun and take out as many people as he could.
Ultimately, he left while I was out to dinner with my curr fav, and never was kicked out. Probably best for everyone involved.
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14 years ago
I typically don't get out that often to hit clubs, and when I do, it's not like I can just "go home" if it's a slow night; the closest club that I visit (HH) is a 1.5 hour drive.
Fortunately, it is extremely rare that I experience a visit that I would term "boring."
On my last sexpedition, however, "it" happened. I had spent the whole afternoon with my current fav, followed-up with a few hours spent OTC with her (just dinner). We parted ways a little after 9pm. I headed back to HH, expecting to have another great night.
Talk about slim pickin's, geesh. Part of the problem was I was spoiled by my curr fav - after her, not many girls look good (in my opinion). Looking at the girls that I'm seeing on the floor, I'm not seeing ANY that are of interest. (that NEVER happens at HH) I'd purposely not told my #2 that I was going to be In Da House that night 'cause there were a few girls that I wanted to spend more time with. Of course my luck showed through and none of thosed girls were present.
The thought crossed my mind that I could hop in the Doug mobile and be at BBF in an hour, but by that time, it'd be about 11pm before I got there... I should'a done it - but didn't.
Instead, I watched a little of the Bulls game on pool table side of the club. Like was said earlier, what good is it to go back to the hotel? Even if I wasn't in to any of them, half-naked women is better than a hotel room by myself!
I got a wild hair and decided to pack up and see what was shaking at Big Daddy's (probably the 2nd best club in Kokomo, but usually lame as hell). Sure enough.. when I arrived at BDs, it was more than lame... I sat there and saw fugly after fugly, until I'd had enough. Back to the Doug mobile, and for lack of a better idea, HH.
Sitting another hour at HH, it just wasn't happening. It was actually getting depressing observing the whole scene as an outsider. What to do...what to do. It hit me about that time that during our dinner, my curr fav had mentioned another Kokomo club that I'd heard of but never visited. She'd said it was "right next to the restaurant" that we ate at. I headed for the restaurant, then drove around until I found Big Daddy's 2 (Ultimate Place 2B). This was worse than Big Daddy's. A heavy girl immediately came over to the chair that I'd taken and started dancing in front of me. ALMOST cute face, but she didn't do it for me. After about 2 min of dancing in front of me, she sat on my lap and started stroking me, while she asked if I wanted to get "naughty". I had no doubt that mileage would be off-the-charts, but I couldn't get past her looks - even though I was tempted for a minute. I apologized and said I was tired, tucked a five in her g-string (I know... I'm too nice), and headed for the door.
That was when I finally called it a night and went back to the hotel... alone. Thankfully, it is rare to have a night like that.
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14 years ago
GMD: Patience does pay off. I'm not on your "accelerated" plan, but my visit last week to my fav club and several more hours spent with one of the two girls that I've been concentrating on produced an OTC, after she got off (and she DID, I might add, but that's another story). The OTC was after the third time that I visited her in the club, which doesn't require THAT much patience! Admittedly, the OTC hookup only lasted about two hours and only included dinner and some great conversation, but it was a big step towards my planned destination. With plans to spend more time soon.
Really, the key I think, is that we all need to have our own style; what feels comfortable and enjoyable to each of us. The beauty of it is there are no "set rules", and as we learn things along the way, we are free to employ new tactics and techniques. With that said, I think I've learned something from this post and may modify my plan of attack - just slightly - to add a LITTLE pushing of limits.
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14 years ago
One word.... C A U T I O N
Is it worth losing (or at least risking) your marriage?
I was with my ATF for three years... started out seeing her in the club, then we progressed to meeting at my hotel when I was in town. That question I asked above? MY answer was YES, and I threw caution to the wind.
We had a pretty strong relationship, and spent many hours together. SHE got a divorce, though to be honest I don't think I had THAT much of an impact, but I think our relationship was part of it.
Sometime, I will go into the details, but for now, let's just say that it ended... and suddenly. I still don't know what happened, though I suspect that she suspected I was ready to move forward and follow her into D land (not Disney!), and maybe she wasn't ready or didn't want to feel the blame. I don't know!
I don't advise developing feelings for a dancer... been there, done that... Even if she shares those feelings, it's not necessarily a road that leads to happy pastures, and there are plenty of issues and dramas that are built into a relationship like that which you would not have to deal with, if shea were a non-stripper.
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14 years ago
Thanks for pointing that out, Primo! [wink]
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14 years ago
That is a BAD idea on several levels!
First, if the wrong person catches wind of it (police, excise, local gov, church group... the list goes on and on), at the minimum, the extras will go away.
Second, if some girls are offering and some aren't (which is usually the case), the ones NOT offering will get pissed because there is no way that they can compete with the girls that ARE offering. Again, most likely result, extras will go away - only most likely after a ton of drama, fights, and probably firings.
Third, the more guys that find out what is going on where means more competition for the customers. Personally, I'd just as soon I was the only customer in the place. That means more attention for me, less waiting, etc.
There's more, but you get the idea...
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14 years ago
Y'all are obviously better than I at pushing the limit, but I have a slightly different philosophy that has worked for me, but on the other hand doesn't get results as quickly, nor does it most likely get me laid as often as y'all.
First, I'm not just looking for any dancer that will let me do what I want. There's a dancer at HH that wants to take me into the "love corner" and fuck, but she just doesn't do it for me. (actually, I find her to be a turn off - mostly because she has ratty hair)
Second, I, like someone else said in another thread, look at the dances as an interview process for OTC. And that goes BOTH ways. I've always felt that I need to gain HER confidence and prove that I'm not Doug Bundy that is going to drop her body off somewhere. Also, I think it's important that she knows if she decides not to fuck and says "no", that I will stop. I've found that the type of girl that I'm interested in, responds to me NOT pushing her limits. I've had several girls say that they can give a better dance when they aren't worrying about where the guy's hands are and where they are going next. She can then relax and go as far as she wants.
Admittedly, this takes longer and a lot of times probably doesn't get me as far, either.
BUT, when I start talking OTC with her, I always am able to point out that she can trust me, and that I have proven that we will only go as far as SHE wants to go.
I HAVE had a lot of success employing this philosophy, and even though they don't always agree to the initial OTC proposition, eventually they have ALL agreed. Most of the OTC arrangements have been long-term that were very rewarding - in more ways than one (though that ONE way was good, too! [wink])
My recent three-ish year absence from the clubs was because I had two OTC "relationships" that I was involved in. (no reason to spend time in the clubs, when you can OTC with them) Eventually both of those relatiionships ran their course, but I was lucky enough after a visit to Industrial Strip (Hammond) to score another OTC arrangement that lasted until recently. Currently since returning, I've been working on two girls at my fav club, and I THINK I am nearing that first OTC meeting with at least one of them - maybe both.
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14 years ago
That's one of the most annoying things that happens at the club! I have a few suggestions;
1) Until I go to a table with a girl of my choice, I have been sitting or standing at the bar. This cuts down on the annoying "wanna tip me?" or "wanna dance" bitches, and it also makes it pretty much impossible for them to plop down next to me.
2) When I AM at a table, I'll order TWO drinks, and just drink one of them, leaving the other drink in front of the chair next to me. So dancers see the drink and think I'm with someone. If a dancer sits down (and I'm not interested) I just say politely, "sorry, someone is sitting there and she'll be back soon".