Comments by FinalLap

Stay, watch, think carefully, then decide. If she worked for my company,I'd probably have to let judgement prevail. If just a younger acquaintance... I might take the chance. Life is short!

It was a happy day when Michigan went smoke free! I totally agree with you, Motorhead. And why so many dancers still smoke is a mystery. I'd think there are far more customers like us...who don't want to smell like an ashtray... than those who don't care. Also, consider the time away from money-making activity that smoking takes in a strip club. They can't make a nickel when they go outside to grab a cigarette. And, then--in the Winter--they often put a light coat on over their stripper thong and go outside into the freakin' Michigan Winter--just to smoke. One of Life's Great Mysteries!

It was a happy day when Michigan went smoke free! I totally agree with you, Motorhead. And why so many dancers still smoke is a mystery. I'd think there are far more customers like us...who don't want to smell like an ashtray... than those who don't care. Also, consider the time away from money-making activity that smoking takes in a strip club. They can't make a nickel when they go outside to grab a cigarette. And, then--in the Winter--they often put a light coat on over their stripper thong and go outside into the freakin' Michigan Winter--just to smoke. One of Life's Great Mysteries!

Anyone who would go to VIP without sampling the dancer via a couple of regular couch dances (at least) is looking to throw a lot of money away. Generally, I've found that if I have an unexpectedly good time on the couches, VIP will be at least as rewarding. I haven't found that talking about it gets me much. It's awkward, and sometimes the dancers are suddenly uncomfortable, because they are being asked to promise something they probably have been told by management NOT to do. Certainly, I've been disappointed sometimes in VIP, when it was even less exciting that a regular dance. But those are risks we take in this "hobby." One other observation: If a dancer heavily pushes VIP, vaguely suggesting that wonderful things will happen back there...I immediately suspect a hype job. And likely NOTHING will happen in VIP. I put much more stock in what she DOES in a regular dance, vs. what she SAYS she'll do in VIP.

While there are many WEAK reviews, I think there are few BOGUS or fake reviews. The honest truth is that many guys who go to clubs aren't accomplished writers. They fall short in organizing their thoughts and putting them on paper. But they are honest, hard working people who spend their hard earned money in clubs, just as I do. I appreciate their effort to contribute to the site. I try to read a variety of reviews before going to a new club. For me, this has become a hobby, of sorts. Almost all information is helpful in some way.

deja vu kalamazoo, MI Mondays--$10 topless dances, on the couches, all day & night. YMMV w/ dancers, but I haven't noticed any difference from regular $20 dances on other nites.

In the midwest, Wisconsin and Minnesota are pretty weak. Weird customs in WI, where you often have to pay a cashier and get a ticket, totally messing up the spontaneity of moving from one dance to another. Clubs in Minneapolis look great, but not a lot happens. Washington, DC is awful. A total waste of time.

My observation over the past several years (the recession) is that older, experienced dancers are willing to do more in VIP because they have to, just to maintain their income. But their enthusiasm may be half-hearted. On the other hand, younger dancers generally do more on the regular couches than the older dancers. I think that's just "life." They're comfortable doing what they routinely do with their guys--so they do it with their customers. But when you go into VIP with a younger dancer, you may get the same dance you would have gotten out in the club. Or, she'll be asking for more money for each move up the Touch Scale. And that drives me crazy. Tell me up front what it costs. Don't change the deal!

I haven't noticed a lot of true extras offered ITC. But I've definitely experienced looser rules, a lot more two-way touching and willingness to "play harder" in VIP in the last six months in the midwest.

I've found that the dancer will usually tell you if you "have" to tip an attendant or door guy. If he's clearly in charge of the area and is the "law" back there, then I'd tip him. I don't know that it really does any good, but it can't hurt. One of my ATF's would usually say "tip Oliver and we won't see him again", or "you don't have to tip Frank, he's not coming back thee anyway." If you go to clubs in Wisconsin, you'll run into totally useless "cashier" guys who sit near the LD area, collecting in advance. They serve absolutely no good purpose & I've never seen them anywhere else. They just take the money. If you want another dance, the girl has to leave, go pay him another $20 and come back. It totally destroys the atmosphere and discourages multiple dances. But many clubs in WI still do it. NEVER tip that guy!

Taking a clue from one of the "masters" (Shadowcat) I try to let a dancer know that "slow & sensual" is the ticket to selling multiple dances. It's pretty easy to see in the first dance if a girl has a mechanical, one size fits all, dance program. If that's the case, that's the only dance she gets from me. I try to give some verbal feedback early in the session, letting her know I like what she's doing, and where possible, giving a little back. Two way action is always best, but of course it's not always possible, based on local laws or house rules. The more you can communicate what you like and want, the better. But it has to be done in a way that's comfortable and natural--not passed out like a homework assignment.

In many cases, the "chains" aren't really chains. They are often franchisees who simply buy the use of the name, logo and a few service marked features. Deja Vu corporate may own some major market clubs. But most of the rest are independent or small regional groups. There is a HUGE difference between DJV clubs, sometimes even in the same city or state. Some are great, some are terrible. My impression of Spearmint Rhino is that it's more of a true corporate chain. However, my experience with them is limited to Vegas. It's my opinion that the biggest factor in the success of a club is local management, the rules and policies it sets and how it administers those rules. Much like a bar or restaurant. Great local management often means great success and many repeat customers.

If you are serious about the hobby, you probably go alone. Maybe one time in fifty, I'll go with someone else while on a business trip. But usually alone. You are much more likely to connect with a dancer and have a much better night, in every sense of the word, if you are alone. Absolutely no stigma to walking in to a SC alone. The only place where, perhaps, more guys are in groups is Vegas. But even there, there are lots of guys by themselves. And they will have the most fun!

My last trip to Vegas, the best offers came at the Rhino during a couch dance...and while sitting in a Coffee Bean at Mandalay Bay. why pay a middle-man? Go direct! If you don't get offered after visiting 2 or 3 clubs, you must look or act like a cop.

You'll find some native american dancers in MI and WI for sure, probably MN. My experience has been the younger NA dancers are pretty hot. Not a lot of contact w/ 30+, but it wasn't that great. If the opportunity is there, sample it!!

Mileage and extras, I'd definitely say Hip Hugger. But Brad's is excellent as a Club. Low prices, friendly, lots of girls. Either one is better than most in the Midwest. Haven't been to Detroit in awhile.

Where are the best escort/adult services ads at this point? I've seen Backpage, but am not familiar with any others. I do NOT want to subscribe, give them a card, etc.

The first time I ever went to Hip Hugger (3 hours away), I got a dance from a tall blonde. "Where you from, etc?" She shocked me by saying she was from my hometown. It ruined the dance, but we laughed, I got some dances from other girls, and didn't think that much about it. A few months later, I'm at a wedding reception for one of my son's friends. And I'm introduced to the the GF of the Best Man (groom's older bro). Guess Who??? Our eyes met and we both instantly knew. I flashed back to her long legs wrapped around me on those damn hard, straight back chairs at the Hip Hugger. We both retreated to separate far corners of the wedding reception. And, I dont't think we've ever said another word to each other except "hi". She eventually married Big Brother and they apparently lived happily ever after. And every time I see him, I silently smile. No one knows why.

Making a real connection with a dancer, so that she lets her guard down and actually gets horny as hell herself, is one of the real turn ons of this hobby for me. I've had 3 or 4 ATF's, spread across the country. All very different--from a law student in Vegas to white trash in Indiana. But all willing to trust me to make them feel good while they were doing the same for me. Great fun & highly erotic. I wish I could walk into a club & figure out who the next one is. But it doesn't work that way. Unfortunately, its more like real life in that regard. Trial & error...and sometimes it just happens.

wow. 15 years going to clubs all over the country and I've never experienced anything like that. Certainly some hot nights & some happy endings. And a few that continued elsewhere. But nothing like the poster described. I think he won the Lottery on his first ticket.!

I love to talk to them before and after. But during the dance, I'd prefer she concentrate so I can concentrate. A few hot comments would be fine, but not a real conversation during the dance.

I also got some great mileage one night by simply remembering a dancer's birthday, which happened to be the same as a close friend. She went crazy. Very nice.

Lots of bi dancers, or at least bi-curious. a few Lez. I think you can sometimes tell if she is lez, as the lack of genuine enthusiasm comes through.

i have to plan to go, but have found that the best experiences are usually not in the club, or with the girl, that I expect them to be. So spur of the moment from that perspective.

The experience for me is totally heightened if I can make enough of a connection with the dancer so she'll allow me to make her feel good as well. Certainly the exception, but it's happened enough times that I'm always looking for it. Rarely happens in regular couch dance area. Usually need to be in VIP or Champagne Room to have enough time and privacy to make the connection via conversation and mutual contact. When it happens, they're usually surprised because most guys don't like to "give", just "get." If you just ask them what they want or like, you'll rarely get a real answer. You have to earn their confidence via time & money. When you do, it adds significantly to the experience, if you enjoy that aspect. If you don't, it obviously would be a waste of time. For me, it's an important part of the "game".