Comments by FinalLap (page 2)

It's impossible to really know if a dancer is single or married. But my perception is that the best experiences come from dancers who are single and lonely. Yes, they are there for the money. But they occasionally let down the emotional wall and enjoy the closeness if they begin to trust a customer and enjoy being with him. Not often but occasionally. And I don't think there is any doubt that single guys get more and better action ITC.

In most areas it's extremely difficult to get local govt approval. If you aren't grandfathered at an existing site or designated district, it's highly unlikely. Most smaller cities and counties have adopted rules that make it almost impossible. Right wing churches and "do gooders" make it their cause and local officials are afraid to let common sense prevail. Emotion wins and the proposed club loses.

Even as a customer, I find the term "stripper" somewhat demeaning. Although I've certainly met some girls in clubs who were best described that way. The ladies I like to spend time with in a club deserve to be known as dancers because they usually do more than just "strip." They dance, they entertain and they relate to the guys who are their customers. If not, they don't get more private dances...and they don't make any money.

Another vote for Indy. Brad's Brass Flamingo and, just up the road 45 minutes, the unique Hip Hugger in Kokomo. Do the dayshift at the Hugger and nite at Brad's. Best prices in America on lap dances. And, if you happen to fly thru Detroit and have a layover, check out the Flight Club, near the airport.

Occasionally, I've found that after a few dances, while talking, the dancer will ask something about me. In turn, I'll ask her real name. Sometimes, there seems to be a slightly closer connection after that "transaction". A few times, after some nice two way give & take, I've had a dancer volunteer her real name. While it really doesn't change anything, it feels good at the time. And if you remember their real name for the next visit, they are usually impressed. All part of the game!

Rarely tip on a regular dance. Sometimes do on 30-60 mins in VIP. Occasionally if it's only five bucks, i'll say 'keep it' rather than waiting for them to run and make change. usually tip 20% to waitresses and never less than a buck.

I've found it more distracting than anything else. i enjoy watching two girls, but i lose concentration if i'm trying to do stuff with two at once. not worth the price to me. i'd rather have them one at a time.

1. Attractive. GND or college coed look. 2. Personality, conversation. Genuinely easy and fun to talk to. 3. Natural body. I hate fake "bolted on" look. 4. Two way contact: make each other feel good. Let me give, too, not just get. 5. Build trust. Share some real life info with each other.

I love talking to dancers before, during and after trips to the LD room or VIP. I like hearing about their lives, as long as they don't get into a list of personal problems, boyfriends, pimps, etc. I also enjoy talking about the strip club industry with them. Often, with younger dancers, I'm teaching them. I don't mind them asking me questions. However, depending on the location and simply how I'm feeling about the dancer, I may or may not answer entirely truthfully. I'm sure that's a mutual thing, so I don't feel bad about it. I enjoy the GFE, so questions and conversation are a big part of a successful club night.

I can't top that story but had a similar experience. Several years ago, I went to Hip Hugger in Kokomo for the first time. About 100 miles away. After a couple of dances from an hot blonde coed type, she asked me where I was from. I told her & she said "OMG!!! So am I." We laughed and I moved on to several other dancers over the night, as it was a bit uncomfortable, since I have a fairly high profile job, etc. Fast forward a couple of months and I'm at a wedding reception for my son's friend. His brother is the best man and introduces me to his fiance. Yep....it was her. We both were stunned & had a hard time covering it up. We avoided even looking at each other the rest of the night. It was very awkward. Luckily, they broke up and she apparently moved out of town. I never had to explain it to my son, his friend, the brother or my wife.

I have Two or Three ATF's I'd love to take on a long weekend or a cruise. That would be a fantasy-come-true. How it would work in real life is another story. I agree with whoever said, "pay for the trip" but not a nickel for what happens there. It would be great fun with the right lady.

I consider myself a fairly experienced customer. 15+ years of business travel gets you to a lot of clubs. But then I go & do something soooooooo stupid! How many times have I told myself to NEVER go to the Champagne Room without at least a couple of regular couch dances. It's like buying a car you've never driven. Stupid! She was a mid-30's blonde with an instant connection when she sat down at my table. I had just arrived, had no dances, hadn't even gotten a drink yet. We talked for almost a half hour about all kinds of things. Her job. My business. The club scene all over the region. Sports. We could have easily been having dinner together. It felt great. When she suggested VIP, I said "let's try the next special first." She had a laundry list of reasons not to do that, and I was loving spending time with her. So, I gave in. $300 + her tip + bouncer tip & 60 mins later, we've continued to have great conversation--some of it fairly hot--but very little beyond that. It wasn't "air", but it was pretty close. Almost 20 dances worth with other girls.

50 years from now, a special Nursing Home (probably in Vegas) will be done up in pink & purple tones. It will be populated by a group of women with horrible GLOBS where their boobs used to be--and unreadable, indistinguishable TATOOS that have long ago drooped, sagged, and wrinkled into an unintelligible MESS! I wonder what it will be called....

If your wife likes girls, she'll like a classy club. If she's just curious about what you do there, it's probably not a good idea. In Vegas, If I was in that situation, I'd try Sapphire first. There's enough space to "observe" without being in the middle of anything until you want to be. I wouldn't recommend OG or Cheetah's for wives.

Privacy, both in regular and VIP rooms. No roaming floor guys--just be there if they are seriously needed to protect a dancer. Fair prices & occasional specials that allow you to check out some new dancers without spending a fortune. Rules that allow dancers to spend some time with customers. Medium volume on the sound so you can carry on a conversation. Realistic prices on dancer drinks--no ripoffs. Two way contact by mutual agreement.

Shadowcat....good point! Travel budget has been cut and the "little lady" has had the same thing happen. Add those two together & it means fewer opportunities to do some clubbing for me. Still writing literally every time I get to a club, including a new one last week. I guess others are in the same boat. And it sucks!

Club Seville near the Target Center is the classiest place in town. Also impressed w/ Rick's. Deja Vu and Dream Girls both are sleazier than their namesakes in other cities. Read the reviews. I don't get to Mpls real often but have sampled most of the clubs a few times. PM or email me if you want to talk about it.

It's tough if you don't travel on the job. I can't imagine trying to work in club visits in my hometown or daily/weekly routine. When you are out of town or she is (we both travel occasionally), it's easy to find time and opportunity w/o serious dishonesty. "Don't ask, Don't tell" comes to mind as a good way to handle it. That would be very difficult without the travel. On the money question, try holding out a hundred here or there when you make deposits. That way, you avoid the withdrawals. Or withdraw an amount every week whether you need it or not. Stash the cash for the club trips. Never put it on your credit card. Good Luck!

So much depends on who's working. I've had awesome nights at Cheetah's although mostly a few years ago. But it's still a great place sometimes, especially in the daytime. My experience with Deja Vu and Little Darlings has been either great or terrible, rarely average. Both have younger dancers if that's your pleasure. I always feel ripped off at Spearmint Rhino, but damn!!! there are some beautiful women who work there. And earlier this year, I had a great GFE there that totally surprised me. Olympic Garden has slipped badly in the past couple of years. I've been disappointed at Sapphire and Jaguar (or whatever it's called now) every time. If you are clubbing in Vegas, always rent a car. If you don't like a club, move on. You can hit 6 or 8 in a night, easily, which increases your odds of finding Ms. Right.

Don't ask, Don't tell is probably the best way. Unless you have a spouse or SO who enjoys "being naughty" and going along to the club occasionally, I think you have to "compartmentalize" and never discuss it. Yes, I think wives know that when we travel, we go to clubs. But what happens there is pretty much beyond the scope of their imagination unless they have been to one. The sad fact is that most marriages "wind down" on the physical side. And men can be totally committed to a relationship but still need the diversion or adventure of a SC. Some guys go hunting, some guys gamble... I go to clubs. I don't tell and she doesn't ask..

I've noticed more 2 for 1 nights, particularly in markets where there is direct competition between clubs, either due to proximity or very similar mode of operation. In MI and Ohio, I'm thinking we'll see this continue. The money just isn't there, and it's getting worse.

There's no way to generalize that answer. The best dances I've had were damn close to that. In the case of one of my ATF's, maybe better. The elements of being in a semi public place, "breaking the rules", paying for it, older/younger all add to the experience and can work together to put it "over the top."

I feel awkward when I don't remember their names the same night. But I've rarely had a dancer be truly pissed about it. Occasionally, they'll kid about it, but I think they are pretty accustomed to the problem. I totally agree that I'm amazed when a dancer remembers me--name or not, when I haven't seen her in several months. I feel great when it happens because I enjoy the GFE and that adds to it.

I think there's a place for both type of club. However, somewhere there's a line between "seedy" or downscale, neighborhood bar type places and "dirty." I don't like dirty. A club doesn't have to be fancy, but it should be clean. And so should the dancers. I know immediately when I don't want to be there. As for super upscale clubs, I think it can be taken too far, as in Vegas. Several clubs are way too fake, way beyond an upscale classy experience. They are simply a ripoff. The best upscale club I've been to is Seville in Minneapolis. Dancers had great personality, spent a lot of time with you, and gave reasonably good dances. Going to a place like that occasionally is a treat. Like renting a fancy car, even when you know the "mileage" isn't as good!