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6 years ago
In general, I think dreads can look totally hot, they can really compliment the right look. "Can". Sometimes, they look not so hot. In an SC career that's spanned decades, I can only remember getting a dance from a stripper with dreads once. For whatever reason, while I have nothing against dreads, I haven't run into strippers with dreads whom I've found attractive
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6 years ago
The one thing I universally don't like are outfits that remind me of street prostitutes... and for me, at least, leg wraps evoke exactly that.
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6 years ago
VIP = Very Impressive Penis. aka 7" and above only. That's why most of the guys are stuck out here in the Front Room. Best news of all: founder personally verifies that you are eligible for VIP. Faaaabulous!
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6 years ago
There was a study done by OKCupid years ago, I think it was, showing that Asian men and black women are the least sought after (or at least, the least likely to get messaged or return-messaged). Just applies to their site, of course, at that point in time
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6 years ago
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LiwetIf she walks away smiling, you spent too much.
My experience with sloppy drunk strippers is nearly-uniformly terrible. So I certainly wouldn't engage. Since I drink with my strippers, sometimes heavily, there have been times where she's gotten sloppy, and I was too drunk to think very straight, either; again, never had a good experience this way.
Now, a *buzzed* stripper, that is fun
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6 years ago
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
-->"ITC I don't care. OTC? I care to some degree. Will he show up? This is true of BF's and ex's as well. I also prefer ladies that can stay the night. I also prefer to mix my pleasures and go to dinner, a show and get drinks with my companion. Those with a live in SO or children are less likely to be able to do that. "
Right. I didn't say it, but I care about SOs, BFs, husbands, etc. if it impacts the experience -- can she stay over, can I text her whenever I want, etc.
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6 years ago
No, no wristbands for 18-20 year olds here. Never been to a club that had that
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6 years ago
-->" I know some here have had some good experiences with the dating sites but I prefer looking elsewhere."
Yeah, totally understand why some of you would give up on those -- the women interested in the age range of most of us here, are older and less attractive as a group, but you can find some great, attractive women as well. Since you brought up SA, I'll say there's a parallel to the challenges there. With SA, no problem finding profiles of hot women, but sorting through the scammers, escorts, and flakes can take time (and is the reason many guys here aren't fans of SA). On Match, you can find attractive, amazing women, but you have to sort through a lot of unattractive women, women with insane expectations, etc, first. Depends on how motivated you are, I guess. Easier to find a hot SB on SA than it is to find a great SO on Match, but both can require some patience and work.
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6 years ago
I would say it's inconsistently enforced -- some underage girls seem to get away with drinking, others don't, depending on the club, manager, and bartender. In addition, I'm guessing that some underage girls who don't want to drink, use "I'm 20, they won't let me drink here" as a justification that's less likely to annoy the customers. In general, as I've posted before, drinking with me is usually a hard, non-negotiable requirement, so any girl who doesn't drink, for any reason, gets bounced. As I've posted before, I actually usually phrase things as "I'm ordering shots, tequila or vodka?" or sometimes "Can you drink here? I'm ordering shots". A "no" for any reason gets her bounced. Sometimes the girls seem absolutely shocked that their excuse of "I'm only 19" or "I'm on medications" or "I'm a recovering alcoholic" (yes! got that once!) doesn't buy them anything -- maybe that goes to my main point about what makes a "hardcore PL" that's going on in the front room, a hardcore PL pursues his desired experience without regard to stripper hustle/manipulation/excuses, club rules, etc.
Anyway! Long way of saying, it does happen sometimes because it somehow pops out in conversation, but I often don't know how old she is when I try to order our first round. Often, it's at that point that she'll tell me "I'm only 20, I can't drink", and then she gets thanked for her time, tipped if appropriate (that is, she had already spent a lot of time with us), and bounced. I have to admit, I have sometimes heard "I'm 20, but as long as we keep it on the down-low, it's cool", and have run with it
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6 years ago
What's the over/under on juice quitting? Like 4?
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6 years ago
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
"I understand why the concern (a reasonable one, at that) about "I don't want to risk an OTC where a jealous SO shows up" is more of a concern with a husband, than a boyfriend."
Should be: I DON'T understand
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6 years ago
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
I understand why the concern (a reasonable one, at that) about "I don't want to risk an OTC where a jealous SO shows up" is more of a concern with a husband, than a boyfriend. And since nearly all strippers have boyfriends, even if they lie to you and say they don't, that means you shouldn't be doing OTCs at all if this is a deal-killer for you. Hell, to overthink things a bit, I think a stripper husband is SAFER than a boyfriend -- in the few cases I know of, stripper husbands know the deal, and at least are the more long-term-thinking types, whereas a run-of-the-mill stripper boyfriend is often bottom-of-the-barrel and doesn't know what's going on (and if he finds out, who knows what he'll do). In short, "her SO might show up" is always a reasonable concern around OTC, and something you should address in your safety protocols; but I don't see how that concern is higher with a married stripper, I think it's the same or lower than your average stripper boyfriend.
As far as for myself:
- In general, I don' care if she's married or has a boyfriend, it doesn't kill the fantasy for me, and most of my ATFs have had boyfriends at some point or other.
- I do care to know, if I can get a true answer. Like I said, him showing up is a very real risk, and you're just burying your head in the ground if you ignore it. I like to know what I'm dealing with, if possible. She wants to show me his pic, I want to see it, just so I can recognize him, etc.
- Her SO status *may* limit whether or not she can make it into CF or ATF status -- I've had arrangement-like relationships with all my ATFs, which includes overnights, texting, etc. If she can't do that because of a husband, she's more likely to stay as a casual CF. None of this is an issue with you variety guys.
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6 years ago
I've only once had a great time in a threesome, but it was with two girls who I was already a customer of, and they were in-club BFFs. Other than that, there's a forum where I lurk, where they call this "half the fun at twice the price", which I definitely agree with. 90% of the time, based on both my experiences and a zillion reports I've read on SC forums, people are almost always disappointed, and in many cases it's two ROBs or other poor-service types who have banded together
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6 years ago
I'm definitely the reverse -- my ATFs last months and in a few cases, years. That said, there's something really special about the 2nd-4th times you're with her -- you've gotten over 1st-time nerves, but still have that amazing brand-new-girl excitement, uncertainty of what might happen, and there's still lots of discoveries to be made. That said, a stripper makes it up the ranks to become an ATF because I enjoy her personality, enjoy partying with her, and love sex with her, so I enjoy doing it over and over again, and enjoy the opening up of things that were previously closed to me. And, as I've said here a few times, my time on SA has taught me that all of my ATF relationships were arrangement-like, which I guess must be what I'm really after: arrangement dynamics with a smoking hot stripper who drives me completely wild sexually and who is incredibly fun to party with.
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6 years ago
"adorable" is the word for me. Unfortunately, too young to drink, so I tend to bounce the 19-year-olds from the table when I'm in a drinking mood. But otherwise, for sure
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6 years ago
Like JS69, I do online dating (but more than periodically) and have had a lot of success with it. Note that I've been dating women in their 40s and sometimes early 50s, with the concurrent drop in physical attractiveness from a young stripper. But there are still attractive women (relatively) at that age, and I've had fun dating there. But if you're not attracted to women in their 40s (or whatever age you're looking), it will not be fun.
Tinder is full of hot 20-somethings. I've followed the advice of the sugaring forums and tried sugaring there for a couple of weeks (basically, swipe right on someone; if she swipes-right you back, she probably knows the deal and is open to a sugaring discussion, since no super attractive 22 year old is otherwise going to be attracted to guys our age), but no luck during the initial 2-week foray and I turned my profile off. At some point I'll turn it back on and try again.
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6 years ago
I have to admit for me, physical attributes are important, but frankly, once she hits the Dushku Limit, it's all about personality and behavior.
Physically, I like petite, slim dancer's body with a beautiful heart-shaped projecting ass, pretty face, as few tats as possible. Amp this up until she hits the dushku limit, and that's all I need for an ATF.
Personality-wise, fun, interesting, sexy, charming, wild, sometimes impulsive (but not self-destructively so), likes drinking, gives me YMMV in the back and knows how to break the rules without getting caught, honors the sacred covenant of the appointment.
My ATATF is all of the above, along with being incredibly gorgeous...
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6 years ago
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GeneraI All your base are belong to us.
ddfnetwork comes in again FTW
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6 years ago
25: I'm with the millennials on this one. It's not just that you have to enter a few more keystrokes; it's just a pet peeve to have to do any amount of work when a small change could improve the user experience. Maybe founder has a reason for the 1-day timeout, of course
My #1 request would be: I'd like to be able to get to the last post in a thread, from the main page. Right now I have to click into the thread, and then click the Last Comment link (which is more clicks than needed) and then double click to get back again. Not the end of the world to have to click twice, but why?
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6 years ago
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SubramanCar key and wallet dating your sister
RM: my skepticism comes from years of seeing what happens. Every time I've seen a lawsuit -- either from the girls themselves (usually retired girls looking to cash out) or sex industry advocate groups that don't really understand stripping -- end with the girls winning, it's the current working girls who have gotten fucked, and invariably the clubs have gotten a little worse. Keep in mind that there are many reason that SF has gone from one of the best SC cities in the country (with arguably the best American SC ever) around the 2000s to one of the worst (including closing down of said best SC), but you can track each downward drop with another lawsuit. Specifically, MBOT's status went from "best club ever" to absolutely shithole, after the 2007-ish consent decree when the girls became employees, and from what I've read, it's that structure that eventually led to going out of business -- even in a city full of crappy clubs, they couldn't balance the limitations on their business structure vs profits vs providing a decent club experience.
You're right -- maybe this will be great, who knows. Your advice to "give it a chance" is something we don't have a choice about. But the past few months experience are pretty much exactly as expected: the girls have gotten fucked, they are paying their own salaries, their hours are strictly limited specifically to prevent them from being fulltime employees with benefits. The club experience has taken a noticeable turn for the worse already (at least to me). It is indisputable that many girls have left the SC business entirely in SF; many apparently headed to Reno and Vegas.
We shall see what happens. I've heard there's an SC industry legal challenge to this -- I'm rooting for it.
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6 years ago
I'm with 501 traveler. 90% of my instagram connections are the connections that one particularly hot instagram model was connected to (she encouraged me to follow her friends, to hopefully lower the creepy factor a tad)