Your experiences with stripper employee status in CA so far
Subraman
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I've only made a few trips to the club since the change, and that's not enough to really know if anything I notice is just a weird thing from that day, or a trend. But, to the extent that I do notice any trends:
- At the clubs I've been to, the scheme seems to be this. First $150 the girl makes goes to the club (I do not think this counts stage tips and other tips). Or, in other words, the strippers are paying their own salaries -- the club takes their first $150, and returns it to them as salary, minus taxes. The next $XXX ($200, maybe?) goes 60% to the club, 40% to the girls. Any money after that, 40% to the club, 60% to the girl.
- Lots of girls have left the clubs due to this, according to the girls.
- Much fewer girls per shift -- confirmed by the girls they notice this, too. Makes sense; now that the club is paying a salary, no longer risk-free to pack the house with girls, particularly on slower shifts (which are the shifts I go to).
- The result of fewer girls per shift, means that even on really slow shifts, the customer-stripper ratio is nowhere near as favorable to customers as it used to be. Again, confirmed by the girls they notice that too.
- ANd, adding that all together: even on slower shifts, it's become harder to get the experience I enjoy (multiple hours with one girl) as even the slow-hustle clubs & shifts are developing a wander-around culture. Last time I went to the club, both my and my buddy's strippers left us at some point to dance for other customers, something that usually just doesn't happen, at least for club regulars who indicate that they'll be continuously buying VIPs. And again, some of the girls confirmed this and seemed to enjoy the change in dynamics.
In short, IF the observations above are not aberrations but are the real trends, I'll be again shifting more of my time & $ to SA. Will give it a few months to shake out, though.
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Similar to Subra, I've heard all SF Bay Area clubs have made the dancers employees. I've heard same about the Sacramento / Rancho Cordova (RC) clubs. SF girls say they're paid $15/hour and RC girls say they're paid $11/hour (hourly wages, not salary) out of the first part of their daily earnings ($150ish), and after that earnings are split by % with club. I've done some clubbing in Reno recently and the Reno girls talk all about it, saying the NorCal dancers are heading to Reno clubs for weekend work when clubs are more crowded but not on weekdays when PL population is lower. I'm guessing same is true of Vegas, especially in slow winter months where Cal dancers head to Vegas clubs anyway. I haven't clubbed in SoCal since this all came down and so don't know if SoCal clubs have followed suit but probably yes since it's a Calif-wide thing.
What I've noticed in my few Cal club runs since this became a thing:
-The girls complain about it, not so much to make it crazy annoying, but you do hear it. The smart ones know the non-white knight regular doesn't want to burdened with it.
-Pressure for cash tips is higher.
-Girls that dance once or twice a week but don't depend on dancing for entire income are leaving, especially the hottest ones. Maybe that's a high self esteem thing or a reduced return on investment for the dancer thing, I don't know, but there's a few I hope will miss the $ and return even if the $ is less.
Not sure if this will make previously-OTC averse girls more open to it.
All girls who've mentioned it to me say the new wage and % split has reduced their income.
In SF:
-Dancer population is down during dayshifts.
-Dancer population is down during nightshift at clubs that already had slow nightshift.
-Has not significantly impacted nightshift dancer population during at clubs that were already hopping during nightshift anyway (like Gold Club near convention center) despite girls leaving because new girls are replacing them - the night sausagefest at busy clubs are not my thing, but that was my takeaway the one time I went at weekend nightshift.
Of the ones that have changed over, most dancers hate it as they are taking home less money each night and have to hustle more for stage or lap dance tips. So plan on getting hit up to tip more or given a guilt trip.
The clubs now schedule the dancers to work certain shifts (usually 3 -4 nights per week), so no more coming and going the nights and times they please. It also means they can't work past 5 hrs without taking a 30 minute lunch, so clubs are scheduling them for 5 hr shift. The dancer can stay past her scheduled shift as long as she is making the club money selling dances.
That means if you are planning multiple VIP dances with a girl, she may have to stop in the middle and go to lunch. Their lunch time has to be off the floor or out of the building.
A dancer can work on a night she is not scheduled but has to give a larger percentage to the club that night. There does seem to be less dancers vs customers in the clubs and I think we will see a lot fewer of the part time dancers as they will go to Reno or Vegas to work for a few days instead.
This happened to me. Well, not stopping in the middle of multiple VIPs, but she dipped for 30 minutes.
I had forgotten to add: because the clubs do not want to pay overtime, nor have the girls considered full time employees, there are limits on how many hours a week they can work (I think it's 32, could be wrong) and at least in the clubs I went to, the common practice of doing double shifts (dayshift & nightshift on the same day) is now verboten (again, could be wrong about that, this is all from hazy alcohol-fueled memory)
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In my view, the money can be made to work. That is, there is enough money to go around, things can be adjusted so that it works out.
The real issue is a collapse of plausible deniability.
Using a talent agency goes back to Jim and Artie. And sometimes Erotic Dancer's Alliance was such an agency.
But here, the court ruling cuts into this Gig Economy badly.
So I say that the remedy is to set up some Exotic Dancer Services. They do not provide you employees or contractors. The dancers are already employees of the Service. So they provide you with those you have requested, according to a schedule, and for a stint. Then the club gets billed for this. You can request them by going thru a computer system, letting the dancer decide which requests she will service.
So the dancer is supplied for this Assignment. It is not a Gig, it is an Assignment.
If need be the club manager can suspend an assignment. Need to have the ability to enforce rules.
The dancers will have signed a sheet of rules with the Service, and with each club that they do Assignments at.
Chains which use different business models at their various clubs, can suggest to dancers when they would be better for a different club.
Best if the Territory Manager handles this.
So if LE ever says anything is wrong, just hold up the sheet of rules, and then say, "And a cop got her to do what?"
This way the club is not a target for LE, and basically LE just has to give up on it.
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I get the reasoning behind it. Honestly, most clubs that categorize the dancers and independent contractors and then have the litany of rules they must follow is really treating them like employees, without the benefit of being an employee. BUT...in this industry it's going to hurt the girls more than help them.
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I was thinking about the healthcare aspects, too. Same thing applies to low-wage jobs in retail and fast-foods -- employer just limits the hours so that providing health insurance isn't required.
Dancer under 26 could stay under her parents' policy under the ACA.
Even if a dancer worked the requisite hours, the club only has to provide a very-high deductible plan (like $6000) and she'd have to pay a portion of the costs from her salary. Young, healthy, dancer would probably decline the coverage. Depending on how much she makes, it might be better to quit and take the ACA subsides.
Seems like it's just a way for the clubs to shake out to the girls who are actually worth having in the club versus the crack hos who just linger and manage to squeeze out $80 for the night. Since the clubs would be forced to pay minimum wage and at least some benefits, all girls working at the clubs initially will get the bare minimum $150. Any girl who can't make at least that will be costing the club money and they'll get the boot. I get that it will reduce the overall number of girls floating around a club but it also means the ones nobody would want to spend money on will disappear, which leaves more $ for the remaining girls who can actually make money.
Right now I think the way it works is it doesn't cost the club anything to have as many girls as possible on a shift, those girls even have to pay a fee of some sort one way or another to be allowed to walk around to make money off the customers. This is actually just as much of a problem, as customers going to clubs have to deal with lots of bottom-of-the-barrel options roaming around who can't do the math to realize they'd be making more money working at McD's.
The hotter girls and the girls who can hustle will make out better, but they too will have to hustle more or better because the clubs will not want to pay to the point of the girls being full-time status or passing some point of being eligible for benefits. So the clubs will charge them a premium (bigger % cut for the club) on any extra shifts the girls will want to take.
There's been alot of chatter about this here but we'll see after Jan 1st how the other LA/OC clubs are impacted.
- That $150, and the overall worse deal as far as fee cuts, gets all the girls annoyed. And the girls with lots of options -- that is, the hottest girls -- leave disproportionately. We've seen this through several waves in SF: when things go to shit, girls of all attractiveness levels leave the area (to go to places like Reno or Vegas) or the business entirely (to try hooters, to be a bottle service girl, etc), not just the ugly girls
- In real clubs, it feels to me like things work more like what DC is describes: guys going to strip clubs have different tastes, and the girls I think are 5s and 6s, are often taken up by guys who now aren't competing with me for the 7s&up. The way it is now, the last few shifts have had just 5 girls total -- I'd say Jefftuscl's prediction that the shift overall will be prettier is true, but now there's just 5 girls instead of usual 12 (literally, the change is this stark). The customers almost always outnumber the girls, when it used to be the reverse. Things were way better when the 6s were keeping guys busy, so my 8.5 had no other options in the club but me
Overall, the experience is worse (which is saying something), at least for my 3-4 trips I've done since the change
Not all the girls need to be 9 and 10s. Depending on my mood, sometimes I might feel like trying a dancer that is normally not my type but something about her sparks my interest. Could just be her confidence or or attitude.
I've had fun nights just hanging out with 5's drinking and watching and tipping the stage show together.
She's nervous the new structure will be a big hit tinder financially.
But if there's one thing we all know..... strippers are a resourceful bunch. Itll all work out.
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Some who used to be able to do 2-3 days to pull in all their money doing double shifts 2 or 3 days in a row now have to string out their shifts across most of a week. Based on the distribution of time most guys have (like me), that means less likely overlap where preferred dancers will be on a shift when the guy is available to go to the club. Also for "specials" days where some girls are used to having a larger influx of guys, her ability to pull money on those days is cut in half.
I think in the short term this will shake out poor earners and leave the hottest girls and ones who can hustle to reap the rewards but with the schedule compromise and other factors, this will become a lousy situation. How many of these girls will want to lose more days of their week prepping to go to the club and staying up til 2AM working more days of the week? The ones that used to only do nights when their shift spilled over (and simply leave early on the 2nd shift) will now rarely or never do nights.
How did we get to such a point to allow government interference on practically every aspect of our lives?
Strippers get to keep their tips, and club owners can decide what is a tip is a what isn't. If the owners are too stingy, they won't attract any talent. Gorgeous girl isn't going to dance if they're treated like a Walmart employee. Supply and demand.
Health insurance would probably be the most costly item for clubs. But dancers under 26 may be covered under their parent's policy. And a young, healthy, dancer probably won't pay the $400/month cost-sharing for a $6500-deductible plan; more likely she'll just decline coverage.
Give it a chance to shake out and this may not be a death knell for clubs.
You're right -- maybe this will be great, who knows. Your advice to "give it a chance" is something we don't have a choice about. But the past few months experience are pretty much exactly as expected: the girls have gotten fucked, they are paying their own salaries, their hours are strictly limited specifically to prevent them from being fulltime employees with benefits. The club experience has taken a noticeable turn for the worse already (at least to me). It is indisputable that many girls have left the SC business entirely in SF; many apparently headed to Reno and Vegas.
We shall see what happens. I've heard there's an SC industry legal challenge to this -- I'm rooting for it.
There is also now the issue of workplace injuries and workmans comp if a dancer gets hurt on stage. Although I'm not sure if most dancers would file a claim as most employers require you get drug tested if you seek medical treatment for a workplace injury. If you have drugs in your system, the claim could be denied.
Otherwise, the club patron's will be getting ripped off.
SJG
Anyways dancers have been fighting to be employees for years. Its not like it just happened overnight.
The new status just means you're a tipped employee with a reduced minimum wage. So basically dancers are paid like the waitresses now. Its not a huge deal moneywise but offers protections independent contractors don't have. that's the huge plus.
"At the clubs I've been to, the scheme seems to be this. First $150 the girl makes goes to the club (I do not think this counts stage tips and other tips). Or, in other words, the strippers are paying their own salaries -- the club takes their first $150, and returns it to them as salary, minus taxes. The next $XXX ($200, maybe?) goes 60% to the club, 40% to the girls. Any money after that, 40% to the club, 60% to the girl. "
^idk that above just seems like a shitty deal? Unless you girls have enough money flowing in the clubs that you don't really care about having to wait for the paycheck and kicking back a large % of what you make. Maybe I just don't get it. Are a lot more girls going to Vegas now? Are they on a schedule b/c of this employee status?
I have no desire to dance in that state, but curious if this is going to affect the next nearest spots...
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I just don't know very many strippers that want to work a schedule unless they are making some x minimum $ they are ok with. Or the work conditions/location otherwise makes up for it somehow.
The lineups at the clubs I've been to remain as I described: smaller than they used to be, the girls are not allowed to work more than 32 hours a week and are no longer allowed to do things like working doubles. Jury is still out on whether what I thought I noticed about a lower valuing of regulars is really a thing...
Club then pays bill from this service.
How the money works can be adjusted so that it is about the same as before.
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It doesn't affect them negatively. The pay and everything are the same as if they were waitresses, its a lower minimum wage coz they're "tipped employees" .... Some try to bypass the law by hiring the strippers as "models"
And schedules are the norm in Vegas, certain days and shifts are required to be eligible to work nights and weekends, etc. At least clubs I'm familiar with...
The bs in this thread, like most bs on this site is fueled by right wing sentiments, not reality.
SJG
There is no bs or right wing sentiments in the comments. It is reality of what dancers are telling their customers and based on one of the employee contract I have seen. If it wasn't true why are dancers in CA trying to or meet up and organize thru social media to fight this? Why are others just leaving CA?
By the way, it is not the same as waitresses. People are expected to and the majority of customers do tip them. Alot a of strip club patrons don't tip the dancers and just sit there for a free thinking that because they paid a cover, they dont need to tip or are too cheap to tip a dollar.
The new law isn't impacting money being made. Those who oppose it most are right wingers and strip club owners....and I'm sure some dancers don't want to pay taxes etc. But the fact is, clubs aren't closing, strippers aren't quitting and they're making more, not less money with the guaranteed minimum wage.
The minority trying to fight it doesn't represent the majority that's happy with it.
Well, now they get a standard minimum wage to make up for the cheap asses not tipping, see....
Strippers have been fighting for this law for almost a decade. Don't minimize their efforts because of your right wing agenda.
The best option would have been if a dancer could choose to be an employee or an independent contractor in a club. Employees have all the rules and limits on shifts, but are paid and hourly wage and keep their tips. Independent contractors pay a house fee and keep what they make in dances and tips. Bet more dancers would opt not to be employees or would switch over once they see the what independents are making. But the goverment or "do gooders" would never let that happen, because they need to "protect" the dancers.
I don't go often enough to know for sure but I went in the afternoon today. I usually go nights. It certainly seemed slow, I think most girls who have to decide on shift are deciding on night shift. Two of the girls I talked to today were describing the same thing going on, that on one hand it's positive as they get benefits and added protections but on the other hand it limits their schedule flexibility and means any girls who can't earn the base probably won't be working long (which was one of my predictions).
I don't think it matters if it's the same or not. One of the dancers I talked to I could tell she was so-so with the new situation, and was clueless and would probably eventually not be given any shifts as she would cost the club money. Imagine going to McDonald's with staff that just sat in a corner not doing any work. From many of these type of dancer's perspectives so long as they hit 2 or 3 decent VIP dances per week they made what they need and an go home and smoke pot and waste their life away. With the new status, clubs will not tolerate them not making their base to cover payroll and will no longer put these kind of girls on any shifts.
The other girl I talked to was not this type of lazy, she goes in and does her shift to earn whatever she can and goes straight home. To her, even with some new limits in place, her earning would stay about the same but may get even better once the bottom dwellers get filtered out.
One clear thing, though, is that even with employee status it is true that clubs are limiting shifts to 6 hours and 5 days max to keep total weekly hours under 32 to avoid providing benefits. I know some girls at a specific club who, if I added the hours they were at the club before this year would be well over 40 hours, maybe 50 hours. Now these specific girls (which are the minority not the majority) will have to cram what they're used to earning into those fewer hours - which means one of a few things:
- they will either balance hours at another club
- go to a different state (Vegas? as others have mentioned)
- hustle more (not sure if that means squeezing guys for more money or dropping prices to get more customers)
- just deal with the lower weekly income and maybe get a hobby to fill their extra time
- create profiles on SA
One thing I learned early on on this site is that these tricks are CLUELESS about strip clubs and fucking liars.
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Towards the end of this thread, someone linked a dancers pay stubs for 3 different nights detailing how much she made in dance money, and how much she actually took home. I'm not sure if the math was correct, but her take home numbers compared to the amount she brought in looked pretty weak.
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A member named kirakonstantin seemed to be pretty knowledgeable about the laws. He/she posts towards the end of the thread.
The other bs in the thread about quotas for selling drinks, dances, VIP whatever, that's nothing new. Having a schedule. You have to hustle management is always on dancers asses about it! That's not just CA. Its more in Las Vegas! I don't have anything against that, its just about everyone making as much $$$ as possible.
^I think some of your conclusions are not accurate.
--The clubs prefer the dancers as contractors, not as employees. The employee thing was basically forced in California by a mid-2018 Cal Supreme Court decision that interpreted preexisting Calif government regulations known as Wage Orders regarding distinctions between employees and independent contractors (ICs). The clubs waited to make their move until after a late-2018 Calif court of appeal case was released that further interpreted the Supreme Court decision. The choice for the clubs was to make the dancers employees or risk class action lawsuits regarding mischaracterization of employees as ICs. The clubs made legal and economic decisions to minimize risk. The clubs don't want the hassles inherent with employer-employee relationships (payroll taxes, rest breaks, meal breaks, sick leave, prospect of employee benefits such as health insurance, etc.). The clubs and the girls would all prefer the IC relationship where the club cashes out girls at end of night, issues the girls a 1099 at end of year, and there's plenty of cash tips moving around for payout of house fees and tips to bouncers, DJ, house mom, etc. The employee scenario is a nightmare for these previously cash heavy businesses. Yes there's an argument for making clubs comply with labor laws but neither the clubs nor the girls want it. There will be class action lawsuits for wage violations that predated the Supreme Court decision - there already were some and the Supreme Court decision ensures there will be more. Every former stripper is incentivized to file a wage violation lawsuit or join one as a class action member. Current strippers are similarly incentivized, especially if they don't plan to strip long term.
--As for the ICs at your workplace who prefer the IC status, whether those people are properly characterized as ICs depends on the circumstances. There are lots of IC classifications that remained protectable following the court decision (such as software engineers). Under the court decision, strippers are probably not in the protectable classes, and if they were with certainty the clubs would not have made them employees.
-->@IceyLoco: "The vast number of strippers want to have employee protections. Thats why there was a push for this in the first place. It was all organized by strippers."
^This is ricidulous. Under the new employee regime, their income has gone down, even factoring in the employee benefits. The move was not organized by strippers. They hate it. The move was caused by the court decisions that had nothing to do with strip clubs but to which the court interpretations of the Wage Orders applied regardless.
The issue now is any money they make from dances is paid and taxed on their checks. Then the club is also taking a percentage of that depending on the shift, being on schedule, etc.
They still get to take home the cash from tips each night, but have to report their tips to the club. That is also shown their checks as income, so it is also taxed. Bottom line is they have less take home pay. Yes if they do their taxes they will get a big refund, but most dancers aren't used to that and liked working when they needed or wanted to. They are not used to budgeting their money and making it last based on paydays. So most dancers in CA cannot be "ExTATIC" about that. The ones that are making good money are the dancers who are willing to do more ITC stuff for heavy tips when doing VIP or private dances.
The dancers in OR have seen what is going on in CA and have organized. They were able stop a bill that was being discussed by lawmakers about making dancers employees in that state.
Girls aren't losing money. You just have to pay taxes now and declare tips and everything like other tipped employees. Its not like you have to list all of your tips lol
It sounds like some of you are just right wingers who think its ok for the clubs to exploit dancers.
Its a no brainer.
You're just projecting your political beliefs on it
It's probably the only reason I haven't put them on ignore yet. Just like SJG, some of the shit they say is straight comedy. I'll probably cave in and ignore them once everyone else has ignored them and they get no longer get any responses.
so far, yeah some are mad about having to pay taxes and declare their income as tips boo hoo
check printouts include all of the info thats supposed to be on them just like for any other club employee. claiming it isnt is a lie.
but the crap in complaints has always been there.
and clubs aren't hurting. business has been down last month cos of the holidays, thats every year everywhere
and you come up with crap like stripperweb hoes saying they dont want to pay taxes or some bs about how its hurting tricks if dancers have rights rotflmfao
SJG
Having a "salary" does sorta "guarantee" the dancer making something - but strip club owners are in this type of seedy biz not only to make $$$, but make big $$$/margins - I would assume going-forward it will only be worth it to most SC owners if they can somehow pass most of these costs to the dancers and squeeze them like many clubs do.
I've often heard dancers state one of the things they like about dancing is the flexibility of the job - also seems many of them are not happy about leaving a paper-trail of their stripping career (for various reasons) - seems this new law would affect dancer flexibility and anonymity, and on the surface it would seem it would affect max $$$ potential.
Ya right, as if the Calif Supreme Court is a bastion of right wing conservatism
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For strippers these issues have been the subject of litigation since the 1980's.
It is always the retired strippers who sue. The biggest issue is the employer's contribution to Social Security. Really, young working people on ly want high pay, they do not care about that.
Clubs managers and owners need to be able to say with a straight face that they do not know what the girls are doing, and to be able to waive the signed sheet of rules at LE.
SJG
^Really not trying to split hairs with ya here Papi, but the girls are paid hourly (minimum) wage plus commissions over a certain dollar amount they generate daily after the club has taken its cut to pay the hourly wage, and they are not salaried employees. Despite them not being salaried (in which case the clubs would be exempt from having to pay them overtime and provide rest and meal breaks), there actually is an argument to be made they could be salaried as "artistic profession" employees but they won't be because all salaried employees in Calif must be paid on a full time basis and the full time minimum salary for 2019 is $49,920.
-->@Papi: "but strip club owners are in this type of seedy biz not only to make $$$, but make big $$$/margins - I would assume going-forward it will only be worth it to most SC owners if they can somehow pass most of these costs to the dancers and squeeze them like many clubs do.
^Yes, and the squeeze in the new employer-employee setup is that the wages paid to them as employees (including benefits) appears to be less than what they took in as independent contractors, even when factoring in their payment of self employment tax (the self employed portion of FICA that employers pay on employee's behalf).
A good percentage of dancers in LV have always been weekend girls from LA.
I don't know about the clubs taking a cut, they don't. That's the fees paid to the club and the tipouts and everything. Its nothing new, its just organized differently in paperwork.
There is already a class action lawsuit for retro-active wages.
The dancers complaining about it don't want to pay taxes or don't actually understand it. Its not affecting anyone negatively. It gives dancers protections and guarantees a small minimum. Prior to this there was no guaranteed minimum and you could lose money on a shift, and you had no protections.
"... Deja Vu is making us pay ourselves our own minimum wage and income taxes out of our dance sales and if you don't make enough in dances to cover it, eventually you'll be terminated because THEY don't want to pay your legally owed wages. You will also be told to go home if you don't cover your minimum wage in the first 3 hours, which we all know is fucked up because some days you could make most or all of your wages in the last hour or two of your shift if it's slow ..."
As if stripping was not stressful enough already - I can see dancers now smoking 2-cigs at once from all the added pressure
And one would think this would impact the slow shifts (e.g. dayshifts) even more - but time will tell how it all shakes out
"... Lol I'm so sick of California. Nothing good comes out of living here. Feels fucked dealing with the BS rules here. One club I work at will fine you if you don't sell 5 sodas. I had to pay them 10 bucks last night because the waitress only sold 4 sodas for me and she would interrupt a dance to ask a customer for a soda for me. One Deja Vu used to do the same here with a 4 drink policy..... Excuse me, I'm not a waitress nor have I ever asked a customer for a drink. The fuck am I supposed to do with 5 large sodas in 5-6 hours? Waitress had the audacity to bring one of them over to me that I left behind. It's beginning to be too much here in Cali. I was also told to tip the dj 20 bucks after he was pissed I gave him 3 bucks last time and he called the manager on the phone annoyed at the tip saying he would let it slide. He probably makes more money than any dancer with all the tips he makes off of girls. Cheaper to not have him there and use the system Deja VU NH uses. Excuse my angry rant lol ..."
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Another way is just to make the women customers, they pay an admission fee, and they get no money from the house, nor do they give money to the house.
In my opinion, that will really draw wild girls
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SJG
"... My club doesn't have a drink sales quota for dancers but you do get a bonus for having the guys buy you a $10 non-alcoholic beverage ..."
That shit sucks - when custies get suckered into buying drinks (non alcoholic at that) in order to make the club, and dancers, $$$ - but hey the dancers still like us right?
SJG
"... Clubs are already working on imposing the new rules to get ready for the new year changes. Today, manager gave warnings to me and many other girls that we HAD TO sell a dance or else he would send us home early. It was a slow and when it did start to fill up most of the guys were cheap. Ridiculous.
Time to consider a different state to live at ..."
There maybe a few that like the new arrangement, but I think most do not.
SJG
If every Vu closed tomorrow would anyone care? I don't understand why anyone works or goes there as a patron.
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Saw a posting on twitter that they plan to rally at the capital to protest on Jan 18th.
Geuss dancers are not so ExTATIC about the changes.
Of course this rally must be something instigated and lead by someone with a right wing agenda
The real issue would seem to be the Social Security Contributions. And it always has been the retired strippers versus the active strippers and the owners.
But just because we do not like a law, that does not make any of us exempt from it.
But again remember, this court ruling did not come about because of strip club issues, it came from the shit job arena.
Anyone seeing compliance with this ruling anywhere except DV?
I feel that the club owners can find better ways to stay out of trouble, than just making the dancers employees.
SJG
the vast majority aren't bitching
Its like anyone else bitching about having to pay taxes. Also, many are too dumb to understand paycheck deductions and shit. The only money they're "losing" is taxes. The rest is just their fees and shit being listed out like on any paycheck.
PapiChulo, its not perfect, lots of bugs to work out but its a start.
Management doesn't like it coz they have to treat the girls better and with more transparency.
Again, that's just my local area. I believe other actual SC customers -- e.g., JamesSD -- that there hasn't been this impact where he is. I don't have an axe to grind, and in a management vs the girls fight, I'm 100% of the side of the girls. But also not giving any credence to a persona controlled by someone who doesn't go to strip clubs or talk to strippers, who has dreamt up a position for political reasons, and for whom no amount of first-hand discussion will change. I hope it works out for the girls, it's just not doing that locally. I'm very interested in hearing other first hand reports
I know much more about strip clubs than your trick ass.
The main reason the front room sucks is because every afternoon after the lunch rush at the IN and Out Burger joint that jackoff comes on here and posts on every single thread, a dozen times, it was bad enough with SJG posting gibberish, at least he mostly confined it to threads, mined to show everyone just how ignorant they are
My post some how got truncated.
I said between SJG, Crap Baby, and Phat head, it is impossible between the three of them to have an intelligent, conversation, none has ever set foot in any strip club, yet they seem determined to show off their combined ignorance, I never in all of my time here, even when alucard was posting saw such stupid dreck, I am going to recommend to founder the next time it comes up that he close the front room, those three have diminished it's value, truth be told if I was a newcomer I wouldn't even waste two seconds posting here as soon as I saw that shit.
If TUSCL was an actual strip club the bouncers would have gotten rid of these three in a heartbeat.
I, too, had heard the dancers are organization against the re-classification, or at least for choice; interesting to see if that leads anywhere