Comments by Dolfan (page 5)

I've never been on my birthday. I'm not a big birthday celebrator myself, but I usually end up doing something with family that day. I have had a couple of OTC girls come over for my birthday and bake me a cake, then ask for my assistance with removing frosting they "accidentally" got on themselves in some very suspicious places. But never on my actual birthday I don't think. I've gone with a group of friends for others birthdays quite a few times though. None of us are the type who like lots of attention, so we usually pass on the offers from the club to do things like bring the birthday boy on stage or any of that shit. We usually end up all buying the birthday boy a couple dances each. Sometimes they'll all be with one particular stripper he's enamored with, other times we end up buying dances for him from girls we like. And I've stopped in for dancer birthday parties a few times. For a few faves I brought in gifts, for one girl in particular she had a thing for cupcakes so I brought in a bunch from a nearby bakery she liked. As I said earlier, I'm not much for drawing attention to myself, so I usually skip any sort of fuss they make over the girl and just sit back. Sometimes I'll do a longer room than usual or just give her a tip without doing the room.

As far as the no show stuff, I don't know what's typical, but the one at SR isn't about who is scheduled work. My understanding, which may be wrong, is that the DJ or Hostess updates it when the girl checks in or out. It's not like on Monday some manager is posting the schedule for the week and Sparkles said she was gonna work Friday at 8, then decided at 7:45 that she wants to go out instead and doesn't show. But, for a girl to be on there they have to upload one or more pictures and populate a few data fields for her online bio. They don't seem to be doing that part at all anymore. They don't appear to be removing girls from the roster either. This is just based on my observations, and a quick chat with a girl works at another club but still has her picture featured on the roster at Rhino about the subject.

I think there's a decent number of people who go into those clubs for the lunch and that's it, no tips, no dances, maybe a water or soft drink would be their only purchase. I've never seen the two drink thing enforced, but I've seen plenty of guys some in and sit next to me at the bar, get lunch and a drink, eat, then leave. At least I've seen that at BT & Cheetah, I don't go to SG much and I honestly didn't even know Scores did a free lunch. BT used to not enforce it at all, and before they handed out those little paper chits, you used to see guys sitting there with 3-4 plates of the free food. I presume they gave the bartender a little tip. Given that experience, it wouldn't surprise me if BT started enforcing it. Especially since according to the rumor mill, two more long time managers were recently let go for skimming. That sorta thing always prompts a knee jerk reaction with all sorts of stupid policies.

The roll call at the WPB Rhino is horribly inaccurate. I was there about 2 weeks ago and roll call said like 3 girls, I walked in and there were about 6. 1 of the girls from the roll call was there, 2 were not. And there was 5 girls who weren't on the roll call that were there. 2 of those girls were much hotter than any of the girls on the roll call. It was reasonably accurate when it was just a list of names, but its not doing anyone any favors now. I'm not sure if its too hard to setup, if the girls turn over too fast, or maybe they don't want to be on there, or some other reason. But I know it's not accurate.

The Twin Peaks around here seems to be pretty busy the few times I've been, but those have been mostly for local game days. They do turn on the sound for those, and I find the food and service on par with comparably priced places. I have no idea how well they're doing overall, but they seem to be staffed and ready for those days so I assume it's fairly steady. I don't particularly like the place, but I have friends who like it. They tell their wives they are going, blaming "the guys" for the choice of location. The wives act slightly offended but are actually relieved that its not a strip club and reassured that their husband tells them about it instead of hiding it. Some of the wives like to go, to prove their cool and not jealous, or cause they are jealous and want to supervise, or in one case the wife is the one that comes to hang with the guys and watch the game and brings the husband along. I'd rather go to Twin Peaks for a game day with buddies than hit up a strip club for that. I been to hooters maybe 3 times in my life, twice were with a stripper who also worked there and wanted the go on her day off. The 3rd time I was probably 17 or something. So I can't speak about their appeal.

I don't know. I tend to attend a few games, mostly just home games but at least 3-4 away games too. And the away trips usually turn into 3-4 day weekends. I also will have people over or go to their house, hit a sports bar with buddies, or some similar activities. So it does occupy a good bit of my time. But on the flip side, a lot of the Thursday night games aren't really great and its harder to get together with friends on those evenings. So I find myself hitting the strip club to kinda half watch a game but end up paying more attention to the girls. The upside is a lot of guys seem to go to the club and focus on the game, which makes the girls all that much more appreciative when I give them a little attention. And often times I'll hit the club after a day full of games or travel, especially if I find myself driving past the club on my way home anyway. It probably evens out, it just changes when I go.

The tattoo's don't really impact me either way. I see them on some girls and I think it works for them and looks good, some girls have some that detract from their beauty, but the majority fall in between where I really couldn't care less. Cigarette breath I find to be much, much, much less of an issue the past few years with the rise in popularity in vaping and the normalization of weed. I can't remember the last time I saw a stripper smoke an actual cigarette, its probably literally been years. I've seen a rise in bad breath, but I think its because the cigarette smoke isn't there to cover it up anymore. Phones are another one I could go either way on. I know I'll sometimes check my phone, often times I'm at the club during work hours and a few little 5 minute breaks to read and respond to some messages keeps work progressing and shit from piling up. I'll also look at my phone to kill time if the girls on stage are uninteresting and I don't have a girl at my table. In that case I'm not interested in my phone particularly, but rather I'm disinterested in the fat and or ugly bitch on stage; without my phone I'd be watching the TV or noticing the dust buildup or otherwise engaged some equally pointless and mindless activity. For the girls on phones, sure I've been disappointed to see a hottie sitting on her phone instead of on my lap, but I mostly am understanding. It's gotta be emotionally taxing to deal with the extremes of constant rejection or adoration, and they're not paid hourly, so I don't begrudge them for taking a little me time. I also understand there are a myriad of other reasons why they may be appear to be just sitting there on their phone but are really just using the phone to pass time and even without it wouldn't be circulating or otherwise entertaining customers. I also have been texting a stripper while she's at work plenty of times, sometimes while I've too been at the club, although I've never texted a stripper while we were both at the same club.

I don't really pay attention to who the author is. I do read a few reviews and weight their value by the content only.

In my experience, that's not common or typical. I've seen plenty of girls OTC for that sort of duration or longer and with dynamics similar to what you describe. My experience is also with more frequent meetups over that period and probably some what closer relationships. I've never once been asked for a farewell gift. At the same time, does it matter what is customary or typical? Do what you want. If you want to give her something to say thanks, do it. If you're offended by the ask, tell her to kick rocks. As someone else mentioned, don't be surprised if she reaches out in a few months either way. I doubt that giving her a farewell gift or not will change that. Odds are she'll break up with her SO or find herself in need of quick cash and come looking for either a handout or a hookup.

I don't care about cultural disconnect, but I don't enjoy robotic dances. I don't find that the Latinas do that enough more often than other ethnicities to make my avoid them as a matter of course though.

I wrote a long-ish followup but it didn't post and I'm not gonna re-write it all. So, to the OP, my point in posting was to provide balance to the "ask her specifically what she'll do" type advice. Even with girls I don't know well, I've consistently had better results just playing it by ear. You can iron it all out in advance and raise the floor of what to expect. Or you can roll the dice and raise the ceiling of what could happen. There's no right answer, you decide what makes sense for you and your situation.

I don't have first hand experience, as I'm single and not quite to the old enough to the lose interest in sex age. But, I think often married couples lose interest in having sex with each other specifically regardless of age. Not the man or women specifically losing sex drive, but rather boredom or other factors reducing the desire for each other specifically. I think men often interpret that is the woman losing sex drive as they seek out sex with others, which kinda exaggerates the perception. I'm not suggesting I don't think there's some truth to it, just that there's other factors.

Oh, it gets a hell of a lot cheaper when you start venturing into more FWB/Sugar Baby type scenarios. It's not a majority of them, but there are plenty of those Cuban girls in their late 20's in the clubs that are up for those sort of arrangements. But it takes some practice learning to identify them, it might take a recent transplant a while to learn to sift out the romance hustlers and scammers to find the gems. On a related note, do people really consider hitting two clubs on the same day "two trips to the strip club?" If I hit one club in an area where there is a cluster, I frequently will check out another one, sometimes two. I do the same after a long weekend in the Keys, where I'll make a few stops into some of Miami clubs as I drive north. I've hit all three south Florida Cheetah's on the same day in that situation. I still think of all of those as sorta one visit to the club though.

One thing I've found that makes it easier to stay out of the club is finding a girl or two for OTC. It might sound a little counter intuitive, but I often find myself waiving off a trip to the club in favor of having a fave come over instead. OTC is somewhat cheaper when you factor in all the costs, especially if you see the same girl regularly.

It's kinda funny, I was recently denied entry to Shadow Cabaret in Pompano because I had on a white t-shirt. Specifically, it was this t-shirt, https://www.optimized-rlmedia.io/is/image/PoloGSI/s7-1279326_alternate10?$plpDeskRF$ I get what they're trying to do and didn't fuss about it, but I'm still laughing a little about how stupid that policy is.

Like you mentioned, she's most likely just keeping in touch as a form of marketing. There's a 10,000:1 chance she might just be friendly and like you, not zero, but I wouldn't count on it. It's hard to say if she's selling ITC or OTC specifically. Too many variables we don't know. Some girls prefer one or the other, different areas might make one more profitable than the other, around here we're heavily influenced by tourism seasons, etc. Personally, I do not recommend being direct/explicit about what will or won't happen. In my experience, doing that emphasizes the transactional nature of the relationship. Simply agreeing to a price OTC leaves the interaction to be a bit more natural. If it's $500 for some kissing, a blowjob, and sex or whatever what tend to happen is you both go into the meetup with a ToDo list and the focus will be on checking the items off the list and moving on. If that's what you want, then by all means go ahead and get explicit. But by not getting explicit, it leaves things more open. You can maybe have a few drinks, some snacks, they'll likely be some foreplay, maybe shower together before or after, maybe some more drinks and or snacks, maybe a dip in the pool or hot tub, a round two could be on the table. I enjoy the more natural, less forced progression of this approach. Yes, there is absolutely a greater risk of not getting exactly what you want by not being explicit. For me, its a chance I'm willing to take. Like Ibb mentioned, even if you are explicit there is a decent chance you end up disappointed anyway. It's also important to remember that my approach drastically increases the likelihood of a romance hustle. When things are mechanical and the exchange is very explicit, its easier to shut that down. When things progress naturally, you're more likely to feel like there is more to the relationship and be more willing to help her out later. And she's more likely to see it that way and try too. Again, my philosophy runs counter to the prevailing opinion here. The times I've given her that $75 to pay her phone bill and wound up with her back in my bed in return for my kindness are much more frequent than the times I've given her $200 for rent and only heard from her when she wanted more. But you have to be willing to gamble, have the fortitude to fold bad hands, and most importantly be aware that your gambling. You have to recognize the bullshit and know you're giving a stripper money in hopes it'll come back to you, not helping a friend through a tough time. If you choose your strippers carefully, it can pay off. If you choose poorly, it can bankrupt you. Or maybe it's just dumb luck?

He's not wrong, her hips certainly look wider than Jason Kelce's to me. Jeff Saturday is certainly slimmer than her now, but probably not while he was at his playing weight.

We get a lot of trolls and fake accounts here. Or probably more accurately we've got 2-3 trolls who make countless accounts post a variety of fictional stories. I don't doubt that some dancers sometimes get some satisfaction out of giving a dance. I think its a small percentage of dancers, but not zero. There's also a very small percentage of dancers who post on this site. When you put all that together, hopefully you can understand our suspicion. Just going by the numbers, odds are posts like this are bullshit posted by a distrusted man or boy. I tend to give each identity the benefit of the doubt till it becomes clear it's bullshit. so, in that spirit... For the air dancing bit, to me it absolutely means things are going too far and the dancer is trying to cool things down. I have no idea if my interpretation is the prevailing one or not though. In any case, you can back away to give me room to adjust or unzip without getting all the way off my lap and risking me thinking you want me to cool it.

And who said I was 50 or 70 years old? Or that they're exclusive? I'm not, and they're not.

Yes, I have stuff laying around the house they could take. No, they never touch it. I'm not totally reckless about things. I don't leave Cartier watches on tables near the door, but I might leave a Samsung smart watch sitting on a charger or even a couple hundred bucks sitting around in the open. Sure, I'd be annoyed if that shit walked off, but its not like it would kill me. Many girls don't have cars or at least don't drive to work. The most common scenario for needing a ride is because they car pooled with a friend who made other plans and left them to fend for themselves. But there's plenty of other reasons why they might not drive, having or not wanting to get a DUI, recent accidents or repossessions, no insurance, etc. I'm sure some girls are reluctant to tell me where they live, and those girls probably simply say no thanks to the offer. Usually though, they're fishing for the offer when they mention needing to find a ride. I don't press the issue, if the topic comes up I'll usually offer but that's it. Like funontheside said, giving a girl a ride home is quite often a good investment. It's right up there with buying her a meal. The two aren't mutually exclusive either, it's not unheard of for the ride home to add a stop for a bite and or a stop at my place. Even when it doesn't it certainly helps ease into it. The reason I avoid girls with online ads isn't because I'm seeking exclusivity. I suppose I do prefer a girl with some sort of standards. But moreso I simply don't like girls who operate like escorts. Girls who place ads online act like escorts and I don't enjoy that. If that's what I wanted, I'd just find an escort online.

First, I have to agree that this might be the most TUSCL thread ever. That said, I don't see why it has to be singled out. Most reviews I've read and certainly all the ones I've written include oral activities in their descriptions of mileage. Plenty of reviews talk about sucking titties or kissing of some sort. As with most types of intimacy, I think its mostly influenced by what the girl is comfortable with. Obviously, a rapport and familiarity comes into play with more familiarity generally correlating with higher mileage. For me, I certainly find it worthwhile to spend some time with a stripper prior to taking her into a room. But a much bigger difference comes from repeat visits. I've had plenty of girls go from just barely doing enough to get me to come back, to being absolutely amazing over the course of a couple visits. It's hard for me to comment on ITC vs OTC, as there is a lot of selection bias there. Any girl I invite OTC is going to be a girl who I either know is comfortable doing the things I like or at least I have a high confidence they will be. I can't recall ever seeing a girl OTC who didn't have a very similar level of limits to my own.

It's not a 100% correlation, but many of the clubs that do that also do a lot of other things I don't like. So mostly when I encounter it these days I just leave and go somewhere else. When BT Pompano first opened back up after their remodel it was absolutely unbearable. Many times I left because it was so bad. I'd consider earplugs, but it just seems a bit too silly and I'd rather just leave. If it really is as unpopular as I'd hope, the clubs will figure it out. If the rest of the customer base likes it, they'll succeed and I'll just find a place that caters more to my preferences.

A 4, the face isn't bad but that body is god awful. The food on her other account doesn't look too bad though. I'd be much more inclined to hire her to cook than to dance.

Like Hank mentioned, to me a dancer backing away and air dancing, even briefly, is a message to back off, not whip it out. I'd also agree with his suggested approach. A hand on the zipper and any number of phrases can work: "you can let him out for air if you want", "can I see/feel it" , or if you want to also give him the hint to not be reckless you can throw in a comment about that like "if you're a little discreet you can take it out for me" Another approach is to slide your panties to the side, then when he looks at your face you look down at his zipper. Kind of a your turn move. Its less direct, and you may have to give him some sort "yeah" or "yay" kinda encouragement once he starts. Personally, I don't buy into the "hot girls don't do anything" stuff. I've seen very little correlation. Girls who try hard to project the fact that they have high opinions of themselves tend to be a bit tame. But that has nothing to do with my perception of their hotness. I'd have to guess it's the air dancing that's causing guys to tone it down. I know that's the effect it has on me. The other effect it has is that I'm going to stop buying dances, and if it's a common theme from all the girls I'll stop going to that club.

I'm with ski on this one. I don't give a fuck about what people think, I don't avoid staring because I'm concerned the person I'm staring at or any other observers will think I'm a creep. The subject being attention seeking or not also doesn't play into my decision. I avoid staring because I feel it's rude and creepy and I don't want to be rude and creepy.