OTC Apprehension - Smart or Overly Anxious
Tuesday, August 20, 2024 7:29 PM
I'm generally reluctant to do OTC meetups, due to focus on what could go wrong...Setup for robbery, carjacking, etc.
Plenty of guys seems to do it without negative consequences, though.
I suppose you can take all precautions in the world, and still encounter issues, or be reckless and encounter no issues. Other than viewing OF sites in a bubble-wrapped home, or overpaying for ITC, there's no way to avoid risks entirely.
I already know to not take a girl to my home or a location of her choosing, and to be a bit unclear on meetup spot (which is admittedly of concern to a provider).
Do you guys jump right to OTC after the initial meeting, or have a protocol/timescale of when to proceed to OTC? It seems that other than scammers who will bail on you if you don't immediately agree to an OTC setup, there isn't really a good vetting method. A girl could seem safe after a few ITC meetups, and then KABOOM...you're pistol-whipped in a meeting spot.
I suppose it's a case of YMMV and using your spidey sense to determine if/when to jump to OTC...after putting on your big boy pants.
Plenty of guys seems to do it without negative consequences, though.
I suppose you can take all precautions in the world, and still encounter issues, or be reckless and encounter no issues. Other than viewing OF sites in a bubble-wrapped home, or overpaying for ITC, there's no way to avoid risks entirely.
I already know to not take a girl to my home or a location of her choosing, and to be a bit unclear on meetup spot (which is admittedly of concern to a provider).
Do you guys jump right to OTC after the initial meeting, or have a protocol/timescale of when to proceed to OTC? It seems that other than scammers who will bail on you if you don't immediately agree to an OTC setup, there isn't really a good vetting method. A girl could seem safe after a few ITC meetups, and then KABOOM...you're pistol-whipped in a meeting spot.
I suppose it's a case of YMMV and using your spidey sense to determine if/when to jump to OTC...after putting on your big boy pants.
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That doesn’t mean she doesn’t maybe sneak a few extra bucks or possibly pinch a CC, but an overt bold faced act committed by a person whom is a regular at a club, seems hardly likely.
But if you need added comfort, just do it in a hotel with indoor hallway room entrances. Nobody is going to plan a serious crime in a place full of witnesses and cameras.
And their pimps are pretty scared too, given that pimping is a felony and, i think if they cross different states to do it, it can be trafficking as well? This is all in addition to the fact hoes with pimps provide scammer esque service to begin with. They’re completely worthless
Half or more of those girls posting as independent on eros/tryst etc are actually pimped out
This isn't dismissive of your nervousness, but simply points out that the risks are far from one-sided.
So, I usually don't try for OTC immediately. I try to see a dancer ITC a few times before asking about OTC. I'm also a PL who likes to chat with the dancers. Even though dancers adopt a persona in the club, that doesn't necessarily stop them from throwing warning signals. Ultimately, I don't ask about OTC until my gut tells me that the dancer is after money sans drama.
In terms of location, I use mediocre, mid-grade hotels. Nothing fancy but also not a rat's nest. There are apps that will be useful for finding discounts.
Ultimately, the reality is that the vast majority of dancers who might do OTC don't want the risks attached to trying knock you out and leave with a kidney on ice. If they're going to do OTC, then they mostly want to do their job, get paid, and go home (like most of us).
If a dancer is going to misbehave, it's more likely to be in the form of dipping into your wallet for an extra "tip". So, don't bring your briefcase full of cash and cocaine to your OTC date.
Something else to remember is this gets easier with repetition. That's not always a good thing, however. Our guard should always be up. Just like our dicks!
For hotels you can use priceline… thats the best ive found…
@MrP, how do pimps have an easier time and get out in 4 months? Pimping is a felony in itself, plus trafficking if theyre moving around their hoes across different states. If theyre out in 4 months, they must be hiding the fact they were a pimp?
That story just further proves how subhuman pimps and their hoes are.
Today prostitution is an act of desperation.
"The game" is a complex subculture
If you mean desperation on the part of the consumer, thats not true either. For most if not all guys, if you arent a famous celebrity, youll have to pay in some form, directly or indirectly.
I dont hire or deal with pimped out hoes. Theres ways you can find out if a hoe is pimped. For starters theyre more likely to scam, more likely to clock watch.
Pimped hoes dont provide “gfe” or “pse” services. Thats one easy way to weed them out.
Prostitution is an act of desperation. Some hooker with a designer bag fake or real doesn't change that. The things you see on social media aren't reality.
Prostitutes provide what you pay for and what they feel comfortable doing with a customer. If she won't do it with you. It's you.
If a girl can make $300 an hour as a hoe, meanwhile standard jobs pay $15 an hour, nobody can genuinely say that prostitution is desperation. If its a street ho willing to be a prostitute for $20 an hour, that is desperation.
Regarding your last paragraph, no lol. Thats not how it works. Theres prostitutes who wont do certain things with 100 customers. It isnt because those 100 guys had issues. Its because the prostitute is following her pimps rules.
You dont need to be told anything. As i said, if they dont tongue kiss, that factor alone means they are likely pimped. If they dont let you eat their pussy, that’s an obvious sign of being pimped. At minimum a boyfriend pimp. Obviously they wont answer honestly just from you verbally asking. You can use several other cues to figure out if shes pimped.
And if you do want to get a pimped hoe to bend her rules and cheat on her pimp, itll take repeat visits and tons of money spent for the possibility of that happening. A lot of time and investment for little benefit.
A girl will do what she's comfortable doing with you. Her life is her business. Making up what it scenarios about it is pointless.
Also where do they live where you picking them up at? I used to do that going the south Bronx, Brownsville Brooklyn, Irvington NJ, west Philly. While it went over alright I ain’t doing that shit no more.
IMO youre trying to normalize pimped out hoes and hoping you can convince guys on here to accept scummy pimped hoes when they could see someone far far better in every way possible. Pimped hoes are subhuman scum, regular hoes are regular girls, its just that simple.
No, the service level of an escort or hoe is not based on how attracted she is to the guy or what she’s comfortable doing with each client. You clearly haven’t read reviews of escorts who provide GFE or PSE services where they provide repeatedly good service to 20, 30, even 50 guys. It doesnt mean they’re attracted to every one of those guys. GFE providers usually charge more so its an experience the guys are paying for.
A pimped hoe, even a pimped stripper, will have all kinds of rule’s making it a mechanical experience.
Its not a good look for you to be defending pimped hoes considering several people think youre Icee, and that guy was known to be a guy who was pro pimped hoes and basically thought its fine for hoes to scam and rob clients.
I don't do background checks or a lot of research to try to find out about the girl, although I almost always pop a girls number into google and if I get back online escort ads I delete it. I don't stress about a hotel, or being vague about where we'll meet or shit like that. I invite her to my house. Often, they need a ride, so I'll offer to pick them up and they tell me where they live. We're both taking risks, and we both know it.
I've never had any serious issues bringing strippers to my place. I've had more problems with civi girls I either picked up in bars or had relationships with. The kind of issues I typically have with strippers are from things like spilling drinks on the couch or carpet. Occasionally they'll overstay and it's a little awkward telling her to hit the road. But, no stripper has ever stolen a thing or attempted any sort of violence. That's despite at least one of them having an attempted murder charge and freely admitting that she stabbed the dude in the chest with scissors. That girl was actually a favorite I saw for years.
Am I taking some significant risks? Yup. Do I think I'm more likely to be assaulted in the parking lot of a strip club or some other random place I go than by the stripper I bring home? Yup. Am I even more likely to be injured in a car accident on my way to work? Probably. When I'm out 4-wheeling, boating/fishing/diving, skydiving/bungie-jumping, etc? For sure.
But I don't live my life holed up in my basement in fear. I assess the risk and what reasonable precautions there are to mitigate it and then decide if its worth it to me. All the things I listed I've decided are worth the risk to me.
If a girl need to kiss, be DATYd, etc, she will...pimped or not.
I've had successful, long term OTC setups. Some for 5 and even 15+ years. In all cases they are with girls I've had many ITC experiences. Sometimes for years. And in almost all cases I've brought the OTC subject up first. Cut out the middleman, less time pressure, no house fee, more comfortable etc. I've never felt unsafe. All sessions were a hotel room of my choosing.
Also you mentioned these girls usually need a ride, are they always getting rides to and from work- they dont have their own car?
As far as offering a girl a ride home or so on, if its the first time youve met them they may not trust a client enough to tell them where they live.
Funontheside thats not how pimps nowadays work especially boyfriend pimps. A boyfriend pimp isnt just a pimp hes also her boyfriend. Also pimps are worried about their girls falling in love with clients. Thats why they will try putting rules in place so the girl doesnt get too intimate or attached to a client. No kissing, no daty, no getting turned on so no nipple stimulation,
The smarter girls charge a huge, huge fee for that sort of exclusive arrangement. If you give the dancer any sort of indication that you dont want her seeing other guys OTC, she’ll probably lie to you about it anyway. I have no idea where people are finding these dancers willing to be exclusive with 50, 60, even 70 year old men.
Many here are right....despite some fears of robberies/theft, girls actually often do understand the risk of alienating repeat business. So, often, they won't steal. And, it's probably not all that much more risky than pissing of an ex-girlfriend, and having her return for revenge.
Many girls don't have cars or at least don't drive to work. The most common scenario for needing a ride is because they car pooled with a friend who made other plans and left them to fend for themselves. But there's plenty of other reasons why they might not drive, having or not wanting to get a DUI, recent accidents or repossessions, no insurance, etc.
I'm sure some girls are reluctant to tell me where they live, and those girls probably simply say no thanks to the offer. Usually though, they're fishing for the offer when they mention needing to find a ride. I don't press the issue, if the topic comes up I'll usually offer but that's it. Like funontheside said, giving a girl a ride home is quite often a good investment. It's right up there with buying her a meal. The two aren't mutually exclusive either, it's not unheard of for the ride home to add a stop for a bite and or a stop at my place. Even when it doesn't it certainly helps ease into it.
The reason I avoid girls with online ads isn't because I'm seeking exclusivity. I suppose I do prefer a girl with some sort of standards. But moreso I simply don't like girls who operate like escorts. Girls who place ads online act like escorts and I don't enjoy that. If that's what I wanted, I'd just find an escort online.
Cacaplop. He sounds as believable as your troll ass
damn muddy!!! you went to all those areas and you're still in one piece?