Offered OTC by a dancer

She's staying in touch because she wants the money to continue to flow from you to her. It's not a slam dunk that it's for OTC vs ITC. She's counting on the fact that by texting you, she will be at the top of your mind the next time you pull the trigger on a spending spree.

What are you waiting for?

Funontheside - I figured. Which is fine.

Sfrsox - waiting to hear back on a newer and better job I interviewed for

OTC comes with a set of complexities which don't exist with ITC (flaking, hotel booking/cost, safety, planning, etc). Situation varies from girl to girl and club to club.

OTC is not always the best scenario.

basictoken - A key guideline is to never assume anything will happen. Even if she claims she will do xyz, there is no guarantee. You assume it will involve more than a LD, but she may assume you just want to take her to dinner. Details should be ironed out in advance.

Don't be surprised, either, when the "rent's due, I need to do my nails, my car broke down" texts start coming.

Tread cautiously....otherwise, that extra money from your new job will quickly disappear.

Just see how it goes, don't build up a lot of expectations. Don't be surprised if what she promises or hints at doesn't actually happen. You're flipping a coin here, at best, 50% chance you won't end up disappointed and/or feeling like you got fleeced.

Appreciate all the comments. Yea treading cautiously indeed. I suppose I need to be direct about asking her what I can and cannot expect to happen. I’m not about to jump in right away.

The price we agreed on was $500

If she is quoting 500, you better get several hours, at least 3, and msog. If not several hours and msog, then you should get bbfs or if covered, you get all three holes. You're getting a bad deal if it's anything less.

Tell her to fuck HERSELF, if $500 is her price.

Don't listen to rickmacro....if she has a boyfriend pimp, that's more reason to sent her home with a creampie, so he has something to clean up when she gets home.

Like you mentioned, she's most likely just keeping in touch as a form of marketing. There's a 10,000:1 chance she might just be friendly and like you, not zero, but I wouldn't count on it.

It's hard to say if she's selling ITC or OTC specifically. Too many variables we don't know. Some girls prefer one or the other, different areas might make one more profitable than the other, around here we're heavily influenced by tourism seasons, etc.

Personally, I do not recommend being direct/explicit about what will or won't happen. In my experience, doing that emphasizes the transactional nature of the relationship. Simply agreeing to a price OTC leaves the interaction to be a bit more natural. If it's $500 for some kissing, a blowjob, and sex or whatever what tend to happen is you both go into the meetup with a ToDo list and the focus will be on checking the items off the list and moving on. If that's what you want, then by all means go ahead and get explicit.

But by not getting explicit, it leaves things more open. You can maybe have a few drinks, some snacks, they'll likely be some foreplay, maybe shower together before or after, maybe some more drinks and or snacks, maybe a dip in the pool or hot tub, a round two could be on the table. I enjoy the more natural, less forced progression of this approach.

Yes, there is absolutely a greater risk of not getting exactly what you want by not being explicit. For me, its a chance I'm willing to take. Like Ibb mentioned, even if you are explicit there is a decent chance you end up disappointed anyway.

It's also important to remember that my approach drastically increases the likelihood of a romance hustle. When things are mechanical and the exchange is very explicit, its easier to shut that down. When things progress naturally, you're more likely to feel like there is more to the relationship and be more willing to help her out later. And she's more likely to see it that way and try too.

Again, my philosophy runs counter to the prevailing opinion here. The times I've given her that $75 to pay her phone bill and wound up with her back in my bed in return for my kindness are much more frequent than the times I've given her $200 for rent and only heard from her when she wanted more. But you have to be willing to gamble, have the fortitude to fold bad hands, and most importantly be aware that your gambling. You have to recognize the bullshit and know you're giving a stripper money in hopes it'll come back to you, not helping a friend through a tough time. If you choose your strippers carefully, it can pay off. If you choose poorly, it can bankrupt you. Or maybe it's just dumb luck?

Fair point about tossing her $ for phone yielding dividends. I've found that works best, though, if the helping out occurs after you already have a solid foundation.

I suspect he paid the $75 in addition to meetup fees, but he likely got better/longer service and/or lower meetup rates. I believe his point is that small gestures have much greater benefits. That has been my experience, as well. It's not a blanket practice, though....just applied in certain situations with long-term girls who have proven themselves to be worthy/trustworthy.

But, that's my perspective only...dolfan knows his situation better than me.

She is keeping you on the line, like any salesman would. You’re probably not the only one. $500 for sex is typical in bigger more expensive cities, but high in other parts of the USA or abroad.

What will happen in otc? There’s only one way to find out…

Dolfan - Those are some good points to think about. I can see where it works out with someone youve known for a while and gotten to know them. This girl I've been speaking to for maybe a week, so it's still an unknown.

^ Wild ass guess

I had some lap dances a few times from a dancer who's from MA. I thought we got along well so I mentioned ITC. She said that she doesn't do ITC but occasionally does OTC and mentioned that in Providence there are a few "lifestyle" clubs for swingers. She showed me a club on her phone, assured me that she knows the swinger couples who go to that club and implied we could meet there as singles. She also said that she is not married.

I thought the conversation was kind of bizarre. I don't know what's in it for her dollar wise, nor what to expect. It seems that such an OTC meeting can be some type of scam or perhaps it is legit.

I'm not anxious to find out so i didn't follow up. I think ITC might be the better option.

"It seems that such an OTC meeting can be some type of scam or perhaps it is legit."

Could be for her safety. Or could be a way to get you in a bad spot and outnumbered with your dick out lol.

...and the only time I want to be outnumbered with my dick out is with multiple hot chicks about to go to work.

She wants you to be her customer rather than a club customer. I wouldn't do it unless that's an arrangement you really want

Swinger clubs are about as safe as you can get. Plus, if for some reason you don't click with her, there would be plenty of other women to observe / play with.

That's not a bad assumption, but you really won't know until you ask her direct questions. This is not an occasion to be coy. That said, one of the benefits of OTC with a dancer versus an escort is the lack of structure, which can lead to some pretty great encounters.

Regarding price, keep in mind that you're also paying for a hotel room unless you're going to hers or your home (which has its own risks...).

I wrote a long-ish followup but it didn't post and I'm not gonna re-write it all.

So, to the OP, my point in posting was to provide balance to the "ask her specifically what she'll do" type advice. Even with girls I don't know well, I've consistently had better results just playing it by ear. You can iron it all out in advance and raise the floor of what to expect. Or you can roll the dice and raise the ceiling of what could happen.

There's no right answer, you decide what makes sense for you and your situation.

Only way to know is to try it out. Otherwise she’ll stop texting and lose interest if she can’t convert. $500 is a little pricey for OTC, so I’d assume everything (or nearly everything) is on the menu. My first couple of OTC experiences I thought I needed 2 or 3 hours. But I eventually realized that I really only need less than 1 hr since once we’re done fucking, it’s time for her to leave, so I can take a shower and a nap.

I took the plunge and we are on. Will see how it goes.

She wants your money. As long as you’re giving it to her, she seems willing to meet OTC/ITC. Pretty clear to me.

“She wants your money”

Well that’s the name of the game. They all do.

OTC is just dances but on your own couch.. often they bring a gun to protect themselves....

Well it happened. It went as well as I would’ve hoped. I booked a room at a nice hotel, we had drinks and some great conversation then headed upstairs for some mind blowing (for me any way) sex. All in all about 2 1/2 hours. We talked about staying longer but money is tight for me right now and I didn’t feel comfortable shelling out more so we called it an evening with a promise to see her at the club soon.

Also just to add it ended on great terms. I texted her good night and thanked her for a great evening. Didn’t hear back but I don’t know if its worth reading anything into her lack of response

Rule #1 of OTCing....leave your emotions at home. Don't read into texts/no response. Your barber doesn't call you to see if you need another haircut immediately after he cut your hair.

She's a service provider, not a potential partner. View it with that mlndset, and you will have a fun ride.

It probably doesn't help if you told her money is tight, though.

Good points thank you.

2 1/2 is good work by you.

DATY and Fingering - Yes. Is that evidence of there being/not being a pimp in the picture?

Thanks appreciate it. The daty/fingering lasted quite a while. There was no kissing though. So who knows. Either way it was fun