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10 years ago
You might as well take this as true for any club in California. Mileage is to be found in the Nude clubs and the Nude clubs don't serve Alcohol. So unless you are willing to partition your drinking and clubbing you pretty much have to travel the mileage to Mexico in order to get the mileage from the dancer.
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10 years ago
most of the best places in LA are fully nude but no alcohol. I can't think of any place that meets all of your requirements. The closest might be Dames n Games on Santa Fe ave. Downtown, but that is likely more than your target cab fare.
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10 years ago
Frankly if you are simply looking at maximum value for dollar with minimal fuss or problems I would suggest the Massage Parlor route. Around here you can get what would cost you at least two hundred and fifty for $140
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10 years ago
The typical Los Angeles Area club is mixed, like the city. If you are looking for the club where every girl is a big breasted and white you aren't going to find it any more than the club where every girl is Asian or every girl Latina. But you are equally not going to find a club, unless they are horribly understaffed, that doesn't have at least one classic bombshell.
And to nit pick with Jerikson40 California was Mexican before it was American. The previous generations of Mexicans coming here were earlier than the previous generations of any other immigrant ethnicity.
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10 years ago
HJs are undeservedly underrated. The reason is that for most young people they are just a stopping point 'third base' on their way to their real goal. As a result very few people put much effort into becoming skilled at them. your hands have ten strong and separate sensation creators able to be independently controlled. Does a penis, vagina, or mouth? But most people, including even in porn, just grab the dry cock and pump. But a well lubricated, skilled, and creative hand job can be completely amazing.
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10 years ago
Bear in mind that in general the club makes no money on extras, the dancers do. The club makes their money off of entrance fees, drinks, some fraction of the 'official' dance price, and stage fees and tipouts.
Not every club patron goes in with the same expectations as you. If my only goal is to spend X for a half hour of intimacy with a woman I am going to a massage parlor.
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10 years ago
The ugly details cannot be repeated because they were never said in the first place. You you really think that this Ben was stupid enough to tell his hyper prudish female friend the details of what went on? No, he just repeated over and over again to her about how disgusted he was.
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10 years ago
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popCleverly disguised as a responsible adult
Frankly you are going to see more clubs institute systems where you pay the club directly either going into or coming out of the private dance booths.
I was advising a club owner in S. Carolina and the subject of these lawsuits came up. I emphasized to him that the key word in the phrase independent contractor isn't contractor, it is independent. If you get the dancers to sign some sort of paper but then micromanage them a judge is going to say that they aren't independent. So if you are telling them when they have to be on stage, exactly what they have to do on stage, what prices they charge, when they have to offer specials,etc. that they are not independent.
So I said he was going to have to decide that there were certain areas where he was just going to have to trust the dancers to manage themselves.
The first I said was not to manage the dancer's stage performance. Tell them it was entirely up to them how naked to get and (except for illegal acts) what to do. The second was to let the dancers decide when and what sort of special discount to offer. In particular being able to make their own pricing decisions will make them independent.
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10 years ago
Dim lighting is nothing new. It hides the flaws in the club's decor and the dancer's appearance. Now if it gets to the point (as I have seen examples) where it becomes unsafe to walk around then it has gone too far.
Monochromatic lighting (particularly red) is also used for the same effect. For a while black lighting was the rage, but while it does help hide the decor flaws it does weird unattractive things to dancers, unless you are into weirdly glowing teeth and eyeballs.
Also mistakenly thinking that they needed to mimic dance clubs some adult clubs have added tons and tons of different pattern effect lights, strobes , whatever. This is also distracting, and not often in a good way.
When designing the new Pearls in North Myrtle Beach I decided to make the vibe much more chill and sophisticated. The lighting on the stage is bright to bring attention there, which may make the rest of the place seem darker than it is. There are low wattage half dome wall sconces around the perimeter to make sure there is a safe level of ambient light. And then the only effects lighting are water-effect lamps playing on the walls.
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10 years ago
I was once in the same club at the same time as Lopaw, but I didn't realize it until later. Does that count?
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10 years ago
It used to be a good deal, but always had trouble competing with the COI clubs not far away. Lately Bare N Legal has come up from obscurity in Pomona with a lot of billboard advertising and may be stealing dancers and customers.
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11 years ago
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ilbbaicnlKeep it in my pants when I do OTC. If I were a stripper it would stand for I like big bucks and I can not lie.
Having seen rush hour traffic in many cities Los Angeles is not that much worse than any other. Part of the problem though is that because LA is more spread out more people have to drive farther.
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11 years ago
Sounds either like a place where all the girls were waiting for their regulars to show up or a place coming up on shift change
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11 years ago
We keep on wanting to complicate it because there is this fantasy that we are indeed seducing the dancers. If we simply accepted that it was a matter of just asking for it why not save the time, expense, and trouble and just get an escort or massage parlor?
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11 years ago
I'd be willing to say that there is a whole lot more potential for it in massage parlors than strip clubs because the average strip club worker engages with a very broad list of people (managers, bouncers, dj, other dancers, etc that they can go to help. With the amp it is pretty much just the mamasan and they have poor language skills.
Now, as to the question as to whether there is real human traficing in the parlors and not just the potential here is an article for the 'signs' of it.
http://www.polarisproject.org/human-trafficking/recognizing-the-signs
and I must say that for the ones that I have visited I couldn't answer yes or no to almost all of those questions.
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11 years ago
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Papi_ChuloMiami, FL (or the nearest big-booty club)
I had this discussion with the new club owner I am advising. My suggestion was to edit the songs to exactly three minutes. That gives him a reliable revenue model and that dancers can sell either by the dance or by the time
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11 years ago
Frankly there is very little justification for regarding club DJs as Independent Contractors. The Club should have known better.
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11 years ago
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
A girl that needs a lot of money to do OTC not only is going to be reluctant to do it even with the money but is going to have the expectation that you are made of money and love throwing it at her. In what way is this possibly going to turn out right?
If you want OTC just cut the BS and get an escort.
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11 years ago
The audition is mostly to see how good you look naked and how you react to guys staring at you naked. Pass those and you are in. Dancing? This is not the Bolshoi. Just have some slow sexy moves, which is actually easier than just standing there. Most of the songs that they play in clubs is about 120 bpm or more to keep the energy level high, but that is too fast for your dancing so move on every other beat or about 60 per minute or about one per second. Elaborate pole work is overrated. Some dancers put so much energy into their pole work that they are exhausted and sweaty at the end, have to take a shower, and wind up missing prime chances to sell a personal dance. Unless this is a black club don't expect much tips from your stage appearance. Your stage appearance is the first step in your sales pitch for private dances. Approach it as such. Show the goods, look guys right in the eyes seductively. Talk to them if the sound system allows it.
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11 years ago
Otto22...is that ten cents to the user to ten cents to the girl?
Frankly the cam sites are the current version of the old phone sex lines so in that regard they are a vast improvement.
I suspect that for every one making a thousand dollars a week there are a thousand barely earning anything.
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11 years ago
Agree with others. If there is one particular girl then you want to be sure her schedule is clear. If she is just your main of several possibilities at the club then it would be a different story.
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11 years ago
Either one of two scenarios. One is she will switch to being waitress at the clubs for as long as she can. The second is that she will switch to being an escort (or webcam). There is a subset of guys who will pay for the novelty of doing it with (or seeing naked) a pregnant woman.
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11 years ago
Save a stripper might actually be somebody who thinks that this is the right place to do 'street ministry' and might not actually be what he seems to be, although playing it to get girls to meet you outside the club is a clever theory.
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11 years ago
This is what gets me about you OTC guys. You put up with all this run-around and chance of being stood up when most likely for less money you could have just used an escort service and paid less.
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11 years ago
Sure there may be more avenues for availability than ever before, but lack of avenues has never been a problem for somebody seeking infidelity, particularly if paying for it was included. It isn't called the oldest profession for nothing. Yes there may not have been extras readily available in the VIP room but there were massage parlors and streetwallkers and whorehouses. Incall and outcall escorts were not an invention of the internet. They were in yellow pages and classifieds in streetcorner newspapers.
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