Paying too much money for OTC can lead to bad experiences
rickdugan
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The answer to this question is "No" in my experience. Why? Because heavy reluctance to do OTC often stems from fear. Fear of getting caught; fear of being alone with a strange guy who pays for attention; fear of STDs, fear of cheating on an SO; some other personal fear or issue; and in many cases some combination of the aforementioned fears. Even when one increases the cash enough that her greed overcomes her fear, the fear is insidious and still rears its ugly head during the act itself. Twice in all of my years doing this have I been so enamored with a girl that I was willing to offer well above market norm to land the score and both were among my worst OTC experiences to date.
It has been a long time since I have gone down this road, but a discussion I had with a dancer the other night was a refresher for me. She is a girl I see every so often in my local club and she regaled me with a story of her imminent departure from the club due to the acquisition of an SD. This guy has been throwing gobs of money at her for some time now and has yet to get into her pants and now he is upping the game. When I mentioned that she was probably going to have to fuck him once she was on the payroll (so to speak), she indicated that she was prepared to do that, but also mentioned the variety of rules that she intended to have in place (covered everything, no Viagra allowed, etc). Ugh.
Sometimes it just isn't worth it, no matter how good she looks or how fun she seems ITC. This is why, with the educational exceptions already mentioned, I never go over $300 ($400 in NYC) for one girl OTC and never over $500 for two girls. It is enough to entice a girl who has only moderate hesitations or concerns, but not so much that I am going to take out one of the truly fearful types who will just make the experience as crappy as possible.
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Yeah, you're a faggot, and your "The System" is pure faggotry.
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LOL. Here and there. ;) Discussed not long ago in this thread:
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You? :)
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Guess that resolves that question by his own self-admission!
@Slick: The analogy I would have used would involve irrigating a plant that one ultimately doesn't want, but I like what you said. :)
@ski: OTC is not for everyone. Some guys seek clubs where ITC services are readily available. I often travel to areas where dicey services are not readily available ITC, and are not done in privacy even if offered, so OTC has been my preference for some years now.
I've explained it many times RickyBoy. Now, I know you have a very small, dumb brain, but you can remember two words can't you? "Just ask". That's it. No faggotry that is "The System" required. Simple, huh?
Seriously dude, that's what you have to share? So what you're saying is that when you roll your wheelchair van out to some remote club in Idaho, you just solicit the first stripper that catches your eye? :)
Ok, thanks for sharing...I think. ;)
Forget the stupid System RickyBoy and the stupid white three piece polyester suit and "Just Ask". This isn't Rocket Science you know? Well I guess since it took you ten years to come up with that non-sense maybe to you it is!
LOL!
As far as the money, as always it depends on the experience you're looking for. For myself, I'm in strong agreement about not overpaying ... if I have to entice her with a ton of money, I pass.
@Duo: LOL. Imagine that. :)
But most of the clubs I visit in a given year are smaller, more local and have more conservative club cultures. Solicit the wrong girl in one of those clubs and you can quickly become a pariah. Even the girls who might have been receptive to OTC, had you met them first, will now avoid you for fear of association. This is not an academic point of debate - it is a simple fact. In some of the most uptight places, girls will even run to management and have you booted out.
Interesting that a playa' like yourself really doesn't understand these dynamics. ;)
If you want OTC just cut the BS and get an escort.
You know I got the RickyBoy good when he is forced to back away from his hardline and into the watered down position of "okay, dougster you're mostly right but I swear there are a few select clubs which I refuse to name which aren't like that." Stages of grief for your The System being torn to shreds. At first denial, now we are at bargaining maybe just two years you'll be at acceptance and say yeah it was garbage all along? :-)
Actually tiger, the clubs I mentioned above, where one can simply solicit with abandon, are the exception, not the norm. There are over 2500 clubs in the U.S. and only a small fraction of them are touristy mega-clubs or in uber-high mileage areas.
Dude, even when you think that you are cleverly baiting me your ignorance is obvious. ;)
'Tis NOT!
Again RickyBoy I am speaking of clubs in reality as opposed to your fantasy world. Anyone who reads your stupid The System will see that your experience is only with the latter. Hell you even admit in the first line of The System that it is all fiction/fantasy. Instead of making such an ass clown out yourself with statements like I quoted above why not visit a real strip club in the real world some time. Oh yeah, and don't forget to pull your head out of your before you walk in as well - homo!
I have, on occasion, paid well over market value and afterwards realized that I was the one who got screwed, not the dancer.
Hey, if a well known sports commentator that hates flying equips himself with a $800K RV/Bus, and is willing to spend days vs hours to go coast-coast, you know that no(reasonable??) ammount of money is going to make him fly. So goes it with dancer fears/reluctancy.
If I've asked a stripper if she meets OTC and she says no, I usually don't go any further in asking or trying to negotiate. I usually only ever ask if she gives a great LD anyway, and I don't want to ruin my chances for great LDs just because I was stubbornly trying to get her to do something she likely won't do, at least not with me. Besides, there are too many I've approached about OTC who've said yes to fret about those few who say no, even if it would be totally awesome to score with those few.
Escorts are too unpredictable. And I've been burned by escorts that quote a price over the phone then demand an upsell once in the door. And escorts are agreeing to sex with you sight unseen, which could mean their performance could be diminished. I would rather get OTC from a willing stripper.
Escorts only work for guys who want to find a fav and stick with her for a while. Well over half the time, when you see a escort, you feel like you wasted your money, and don't want to see her again. Course, same with dancers. But the "first date" with a dancer cost you under $50 rather than hundreds.
And only one have I sourced from Manhattan. My best luck has always been in Queens, but even there it is not easy.
NYC clubbing is unique from almost anywhere else in the country.
Now, as to the merits of high-priced P4P as opposed to the merits of moderate or low-priced P4P. The most expensive sex that I have purchased in my lifetime was a weekend with a top notch 10+ from a Milan escort agency during one of my winter vacations in southern France. Beautiful girl; dreary, boring sex. I actually dismissed her a day early. As I remember, the cost of the weekend was 5000 euros ($8,000 then).
The absolute best sex of my life was my first encounter with the tight pussy moronic squirter that I met in Million Dollar in Mississauga. Slack jawed with awe after she had fucked me so wonderfully I gave her $500. Second best sex of my life was my first encounter ITC with my current Toronto sweetie - $300.
All that I conclude from my experience is that the P4P game is a pure crap shoot when it comes to quality of performance by the girl.
The answer to this question is "No" in my experience. Why? Because heavy reluctance to do OTC often stems from fear. Fear of getting caught; fear of being alone with a strange guy who pays for attention; fear of STDs, fear of cheating on an SO; some other personal fear or issue; and in many cases some combination of the aforementioned fears. Even when one increases the cash enough that her greed overcomes her fear, the fear is insidious and still rears its ugly head during the act itself. Twice in all of my years doing this have I been so enamored with a girl that I was willing to offer well above market norm to land the score and both were among my worst OTC experiences to date.
It has been a long time since I have gone down this road, but a discussion I had with a dancer the other night was a refresher for me. She is a girl I see every so often in my local club and she regaled me with a story of her imminent departure from the club due to the acquisition of an SD. This guy has been throwing gobs of money at her for some time now and has yet to get into her pants and now he is upping the game. When I mentioned that she was probably going to have to fuck him once she was on the payroll (so to speak), she indicated that she was prepared to do that, but also mentioned the variety of rules that she intended to have in place (covered everything, no Viagra allowed, etc). Ugh.
Sometimes it just isn't worth it, no matter how good she looks or how fun she seems ITC. This is why, with the educational exceptions already mentioned, I never go over $300 ($400 in NYC) for one girl OTC and never over $500 for two girls. It is enough to entice a girl who has only moderate hesitations or concerns, but not so much that I am going to take out one of the truly fearful types who will just make the experience as crappy as possible.
Thoughts?"
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Man that was a lot of typing, and the only thing you got out of it was Dougster reminding you that your a Faggotassbitch.
Ideal P4P girls are the sort of very outgoing people that consider everyone, including strangers, their friend by default. Showing and receiving affection is a big part of sex to them, so they don't necessarily consider sex horrible even if they get little to no arousal from it. This kind of girl is much harder to come by than magazine-perfect ones.
@farmer: You, sir, are anything but a hillbilly. ;) And you are right on the money with the crap shoot comment, though when you find a good one it is worth circling back every so often.
And as for anyone else who may dislike what I post, it is what it is I suppose. :)
That actually a word for anyone who dislikes all the non-sense you post, e.g. The System and your other faggotry. The word is "sensible".