Comments by docsavage (page 38)

There is nothing wrong with her hiring a male escort if she wants to. From what I have read, male prostitution is somewhat different than female prostitution because female clients often want the male prostitute to act a little more romantic and a little less sexual. Commercial sex will always be more common with men than women because of the difference between the sexes. We had a strip club here in Indianapolis, PT's, where half the club had female strippers for guys and half had male strippers for women. The male stripper half had very few female customers while the female stripper half had lots of male customers so they ended the experiment. That half of the club is now largely unused most of the time.

You say you are 24 and broke. 24 and broke sounds like a typical stripper boyfriend so it sounds like you two are made for each other.

Whodey, Babes and Harem House and Classy Chassy here in Indianapolis were closed for a really long time. They were closed for so long I was starting to think they would never reopen. All three were owned by the same guy and he managed to find buyers for them eventually. Harem House is now Jaguars, Babes is now Jiggles and Classy Chassy is now Club Onyx. Rather than completely closing, a number of local clubs here seem to have just cut back on their hours. They open later, reducing their day shifts, or stay closed on slow nights like Sunday or Monday.

Isn't it a situation where any advice given can't be universally applied but you instead need to take into account the attractiveness of the male and the age of the female? I had a really handsome male friend in college. One time I remarked that women were not promiscuous and he laughed and said that was not true. It wasn't true in his case. Women just do not react the same when a guy is really good looking. So on internet dating sites the top 20% of guys might do really well and would benefit by being on them. This is especially true of sites with lots of younger women. Younger women would be more interested in recreational sex and less interested in a male provider type. That comes later when they are older. Many young women also haven't learned yet not to try to date guys out of their league. They are susceptible to the pump and dump type of Alpha male. There probably are some things universally true about all women, though. You mentioned on the other thread that guys should try to avoid being creepy. What are some of the things that you think many women would classify as "creepy" and be a turn off for them? Also, if you don't mind divulging the information, what is your age and where do you have the best success?

The problem with online dating sites like Match for men is that it is quite common for some guys on these sites to send out dozens or sometimes even hundreds of emails. That means at the receiving end you have women looking at their in boxes and seeing lots of emails. This leads to female ego inflation, not a good thing. I've had quite ordinary looking women I work with brag about getting 25 emails a day on these sites. Real life tends to not be like that. For example, if a guy went to a bar and went around trying to approach every female there the women he approached would not be flattered by the attention since they could see he was being unselective. Women only like it when a guy pays attention only to them. Because of this, most guys in bars and other public places are selective in who they approach in order to increase their chances of success. Women on dating sites don't see men paying attention to other women than them so they get a false idea about their desirability. Eventually many women do figure out that most of the guys emailing them don't have a high level of interest in them, become disillusioned, and drop off the site. The women who stay tend to be attention whores who like getting a lot of emails. Good luck trying to form a relationship with them.

No Indianapolis clubs closed as far as I'm aware. However, three were sold to new owners. I noticed something like that with local restaurants too. Whoever was unfortunate enough to own them when the Covid lockdowns came couldn't survive the loss of income. I've also noticed the five worst strip clubs In Indianapolis haven't had a review here since 2019 so that indicates business for them may have permanently dropped and that could lead to them closing in the near future.

"Of course you may exercise your rights to refuse a vaccine but please sign a waiver giving up your access to medications and hospital beds if you get COVID." We should have a free market when it comes to health insurance plans. That would include some plans that cover Covid and some that don't, with premiums set accordingly. I would question it, though, if a plan singled out Covid in the unvaccinated only as something not covered. Currently cigarette smokers who get lung cancer, alcohol drinkers who get cirrhosis of liver, obese people who get diabetes, people with bad diets who get heart attacks, non-seat belt wearers who are injured in car accidents etc. are not denied access to medical treatment. We should also have a free market when it comes to treatment options. Many deaths occurred because early treatment programs involving things like hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, fluvoxamine, budesonide, azithromycin, monoclonal antibodies, Vitamin D, etc. were blocked or discouraged by the government. At the same time, many iatrogenic deaths occurred due to patients being subjected to dangerous interventions like ventilators or remdesivir with no safer alternatives allowed by the government. We now have the government trying to force inadequately tested vaccines on people while this same government gives the vaccine companies legal immunity preventing people who are injured by the vaccines from suing them. We also need to return to freedom of speech and press. Science is not a church with an official dogma where anyone who disagrees is a heretic who needs to be silenced. If a government has the power to silence people who lie it also has the power to silence people who speak out with the truth. The Founders of this country understood that, which is why they put freedom of speech and press in the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

I was waiting on a regular to show up in a club tonight and something happened that has never happened to me before. While I was waiting, another girl came over to me and asked me to buy her a drink. I politely declined. She then told me if I bought her a drink she would go away and leave me alone. I've never had a stripper threaten to stay and not leave unless I bought her a drink. I told her I was waiting for another girl and she grudgingly left.

“Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves.” ~ Ronald Reagan Government is instituted to protect property of every sort; as well that which lies in the various rights of individuals, as that which the term particularly expresses. This being the end of government, that alone is a just government which impartially secures to every man whatever is his own. ~ James Madison The two statements above explain the proper role of government. It is to protect our property. We own our own bodies so that is included under property. The government is not there to protect us from ourselves, only from others. Both Republicans and Democrats can violate this principle. Many Republicans, like the ones in Texas, don't want women to be able to decide whether they want to sell their body for sex in exchange for money. Many Democrats might allow this but wouldn't want high earning escorts to be able to keep the money they earn and subject them to high tax rates. Many Republicans don't want people to be able to use drugs like Marijuana or Cocaine. Many Democrats don't want people to be able to use drugs like Ivermectin or HCQ. Both sides have an inability to see when they are being philosophically inconsistent.

Tiny five-foot tall single mom. She broke off the relationship shortly afterwards. Her dream was to buy a run-down house out in the country, fix it up and grow food. She was a dozen years younger than me and couldn't remember it but I remembered a tv show called "Green Acres" where a couple tried that. It seemed nightmarish to me so I declined her suggestion and she got pissed off and dumped me. I decided then I'd had enough girlfriends in my life and started my strip club hobby.

The government shouldn't really be either encouraging or discouraging people when it comes to the decision on whether to have or not have children. When I took an income tax accounting course in college, we had a huge several hundred-page textbook. When the government tries to use the tax system to encourage or discourage various behaviors you end up with such a complex tax system that people can't do their own taxes and have to hire full time professionals to do it for them. We need to scrap this whole incredibly complex tax system and come up with something simple. I like the older girls too. The added strip club experience is good but there is another reason I prefer them too. I can remember when I was 20, girls ignored me and then about ten years later started being more friendly to me. As women become older, financial security becomes more important to them and they appreciate the career-oriented guy with a decent income more and start to get tired of the slacker bad boy loser type. This is true both for when you are looking for a girlfriend or looking for a regular down at the strip club. A lot of my nicest regulars have been single moms in their late twenties with long gone baby daddies who appreciate it that I spend money on them so they can pay their bills.

Here in Indianapolis the strippers seem less attractive than the pre-Covid era. I think the problem is more on the demand side. Some of the higher spending older customers stayed away from the clubs because they were closed or they were afraid of catching Covid. For some of them, once they got out of the habit of going they never got back into the habit of going. Second, the labor shortages are being partly caused by people retiring early during Covid. Older guys may have more time now that they are retired but also may have less money to spend on strippers. Third, the increase in crime rates are causing some guys to move out of big cities to safer suburbs and they may not want to make the longer drive. Suburban strip clubs are pretty much blocked from opening here in Indianapolis so you have to travel to increasingly dangerous inner city strip clubs if you want to see some strippers. So, in addition to increased travel time issues, there are more safety issues now. All these factors have decreased the numbers of old guys with money in local clubs. Only hardcore strip club afficionados like me are still going and even I have decreased my visits. As the higher spending older customers have decreased in numbers, stripper incomes have decreased and that has caused a decline in stripper quality.

I think Governor Noem of South Dakota and Senator Sinema of Arizona look good in a middle-aged MILF sort of way. Over on the left, definitely Tulsi Gabbard. I also think AOC is kind of cute in spite of her horse teeth. I have a stripper regular who looks kind of like Ilhan Omar except she is from Ethiopia instead of Somalia.

I seem to get the most otc offers from long time regulars. They know I'm not an undercover cop because someone like that wouldn't come see them multiple times and then ask for something illegal just so they can arrest them. It also seems to take a little while for these girls to decide whether or not I'm safe. Safety is a bigger issue for many of these girls than some strip club customers are aware of. I have found that if a girl is immediately interested in doing something outside the club and brings it up the first time I see them, then it's usually someone I'm not interested in. They are desperate because they are sexually unattractive and can't make money in the club or they have an expensive drug habit. I know from experience that serious drug addicts have a strong temptation to try and rob you if they can so it is best to stay away from them. I'm not a reckless person and safety is important to me too so I'm always cautious in situations where I've learned being cautious is a good idea.

I had a regular once here in Indianapolis who had her mother out in California taking care of her child for her. She had a serious drinking problem and one of her friends told me once that the only time she didn't drink a lot was when she was working in a California strip club and could visit her child regularly. For her, being able to see her child was a stabilizing influence and being unable to see it made her deeply unhappy and led her to drink heavily. She eventually got fired from the club here when she punched another stripper while drunk and then moved back to California. That may have been a good thing in her case.

I have my lame attempts at humor fall flat sometimes. I recently had a very pretty stripper tell me she wanted to be a doctor. I smiled at her and then told her I always thought pretty girls married doctors instead of becoming doctors. She angrily scowled at me and asked me why I thought that.

I would go with only +5. Before I post a comment, I always read back through it. If I see something that looks like an insult directed at another commenter, I usually delete it out before I post the comment. I'm mainly here to talk about my strip club hobby with other people who share it. I like hearing different viewpoints and don't want to discourage others from offering their viewpoint by verbally abusing them when they do offer it.

The most powerful and high profile advocate of vaccines and booster shots has been Fauci. Fauci, though, has been taking a lot of hits recently. First it came out he approved funding for the type of gain of function research which created Covid. He looked like an evasive weasel when Rand Paul grilled him about it in Congressional hearings. Recently a bestselling book by Robert Kennedy Jr. exposed what kind of person he really is. Recent books by Alex Berenson and Scott Atlas also portrayed him in a negative light. His recent media appearances, where he only appears with friendly interviewers and avoids anyone who might challenge him, makes it look like he can't defend his positions. A lot of the medical research establishment agreed with Fauci because he controls huge sums of government money that can be passed out to them. They may be more willing to speak up now that it is becoming more obvious to the general public that the little emperor has no clothes.

I telework from home full time. With the exception of answering questions from people working under me or talking to my supervisor in skype meetings, I don't have much verbal interaction with people. I also don't have a wife and children at home. So, I tend to enjoy talking to friends, relatives and even strangers when it happens. I would include strippers here. I usually keep the conversations short, though, because these girls are primarily there to make money. I also don't think they have as much interest in talking to an old guy like me as they would a guy closer to their age. If a stripper sits with me, I will listen to the music in the club at the same time and usually limit the length of the conversation to a couple songs. If someone sits down at my table uninvited and I know I don't want to buy lap dances from her, I'll let her know that immediately. They usually quickly end the conversation and move on. The only time I had a long talk with a stripper was once when I told one I worked in accounting and she told me she was majoring in accounting in college and we had a long conversation involving accounting.

The comment above by BubbleYum suggests a business model that is not sustainable in the long run. It rests on a common belief by many young women that strippers make a lot of money. That may be historically true and may still be true in touristy clubs but is it still true about the average club in the average city? I have a history of having regulars. The fact that I am now having more trouble finding them because girls don't stay possibly is a bad sign. The reality of stripping may no longer match the perception and clubs are taking advantage of that by exploiting the girls who have inaccurate ideas that stripping is a way to riches. Eventually the perception will shift so it coincides more with reality. When that happens, instead of girls becoming strippers and quitting as soon as they find out they can't make a lot of money, the clubs will have trouble finding girls. They'll then have to accept lower quality girls who they would have rejected before or accept having fewer strippers in the club. Making money by charging girls to work in the club won't work if they all know it's a scam on the part of club owners and don't even apply for stripper jobs. Making money by charging customers entrance fees won't work if the customers have found out from previous experience there are few girls, and no attractive ones, there when they show up and therefore stop coming in. I think I'm starting to see that. The clubs already don't have enough high spending customers and having fewer and lower quality dancers on stage and circulating around the club will drive more of them away into more enjoyable and rewarding hobbies.

I have three clubs all on the same street about a ten minute drive from where I live. Pre-Covid they each had several girls who had been working in the club for a while. Now it seems like when I go to them it is almost a completely different set of girls every time I go. I think they don't make enough money and quickly give up and leave. There's plenty of customers but they just sit there and hang out. The types of guys, such as myself, who are looking to buy lap dances and have regulars they see over and over again have declined in numbers and been replaced by low spending or non-spending customers.

I've never tried to time the songs in strip clubs. One thing that confuses new strippers in some of my local clubs is the transition music the dj plays when one girl leaves the stage and another replaces her. The dj plays just a piece of a song while that exchange is taking place but some of the new girls I've taken back to the lap dance area launch into their lap dance on that and then become confused when it is abruptly cut off and a full song starts.

When I write a review, in order to get it unanimously approved I need to put in what other members think is important and not what I think is important. I only do regular lap dances, not VIP rooms, but the price structure of all the lap dance options is important to a lot of members. I see reviews with detailed price information from VIP rooms down to the price of a beer which were approved but are of little use to me. Guys go to strip clubs for so many different reasons that it makes it hard to define what a good review is but if you read the approved reviews you eventually see the commonalities. I usually compromise and spend half of my reviews talking about what I want to talk about and the other half trying to think of what the other members want to hear about and then writing about that. That's usually enough to get them approved.

I sure wish they had a Hispanic strip club here in Indianapolis. Latinas in clubs here are fairly rare, with maybe one or two per club. The existing club owners appear to think there are not quite enough Hispanics here for there to be a male Hispanic customer base or a talent pool to draw Latina strippers from so none of the existing clubs are tempted to switch over. No way could a new club be opened. A local Hispanic bar once put up a stripper pole and hired some girls but were raided by the police for not having an entertainment license. I imagine they couldn't get one if they tried. My favorite Mexican regular here told me one time she thought a Hispanic club could work here. She said Mexican guys like to eat so the club could serve Mexican food. I'd like that. It could play Latin music. I'd like that too. I know I'm not the only guy who likes Latina girls so it would attract other guys beside me. I asked here at Tuscl once if non-Hispanics are safe in Hispanic clubs and the consensus was they generally were.

Crime is up in most big cities and the areas around urban campuses are not immune from that. Students on these campuses often have a false sense of security. Many of them are liberal and the liberal media they consume and liberal college professors they listen to in class either understate the amount of crime or don't talk about the amount of crime or who commits it. These young people are told that half of all crimes are committed by whites so black neighborhoods are as safe as white neighborhoods and whites who talk about how blacks are crime prone are racists. The flaw here is that total crimes are being looked at and not crimes per-capita. Blacks per-capita are three times as likely as whites to commit crimes and several times as likely to commit violent crimes. These young people are also often told that blacks don't really commit more crime. They just get arrested more by racist cops. They are also told that most whites are murdered by other whites. This may be true but it is because most older whites have learned to stay out of dangerous inner city areas. I'm not saying here most blacks are dangerous but you need to have an accurate perception of reality so you can estimate your probabilities of being a crime victim in various situations and many young people are not able to do that. Low income black neighborhoods next to big city college campuses can be quite dangerous.