Should a Monger Travel Advisory be issued for Texas?

Electronman
Too much of a good thing is never enough
Tuesday, December 21, 2021 6:59 PM
Texas recently enacted a law that makes any offer to pay for sexual services (including a HJ!) a felony with jail time of 180 days to 2 years. See a few "highlights" below. I understand and support efforts to eliminate sex trafficking but this law could ensnare anyone, including those in a CONSENSUAL P4P relationship. I also wonder if it would apply to situations where one person paid for a nice meal (or paid the rent/mortgage) in expectation of sexual "favors?" I'd love to hear from some of the Texas locals. Will this law kill all adult entertainment services in Texas, including strip clubs, massage parlors, escorts, etc.?? Should traveling mongers be warned to stay away from Texas? TEXAS PENAL CODE. Effective September 1, 2021. Sec. 43.021. SOLICITATION OF PROSTITUTION (a) A person commits an offense if the person knowingly offers or agrees to pay a fee to another person for the purpose of engaging in sexual conduct with that person or another. (b) An offense under Subsection (a) is a state jail felony, except that the offense is: _Sec. 12.35. STATE JAIL FELONY PUNISHMENT. (a) Except as provided by Subsection (c), an individual adjudged guilty of a state jail felony shall be punished by confinement in a state jail for any term of not more than two years or less than 180 days. (b) In addition to confinement, an individual adjudged guilty of a state jail felony may be punished by a fine not to exceed $10,000. TEXAS PENAL CODE -- Sec. 43.01. DEFINITIONS. (3) "Sexual contact" means any touching of the anus, breast, or any part of the genitals of another person with intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person.

42 comments

Texas is the one area I know of where, once in a while, a customer will think it’s a good idea to pull his dick when about to start a regular single floor dance that takes place out against the wall or on couches in the main room of a club. And then as far as attempts to pitch OTC or attempt for higher itc services…forget it that’s difficult to track and remember. In short: good luck enforcing that. There’s a lot of draconian laws on the books that the good ol’ boys ignore. At worst, maybe a couple of raids and arrests happen and the consequences happen to dancers.
nicespice
2 years ago
Was considering visiting a few Texas clubs in 2022 though. Maybe I’ll print out a copy of this penal code and carry it around to troll some customers 😈
nicespice
2 years ago
There is no reason to solicit women for sex. No reason to talk to them that way, ever. SJG
san_jose_guy
2 years ago
I used to live in Texas and I liked the state. But it has become increasingly repressive and conservative. Governor Abbott is the enemy of women, blacks and patriotic Americans.
jackslash
2 years ago
Jackslash and I are in agreement. SJG
san_jose_guy
2 years ago
The hard-core Republicans on here like tetradon and Rick and thosu Muddy skibum et al support Texas. They blame liberal das like in California who won't prosecute tricks and hoes. And you know they love Sesta fosta as much as all other Trump policies.
Icee Loco (asshole)
2 years ago
^ Wait, I support what? Lol. "Assume" makes an ass out of u and me. Or in this case, just u.
Tetradon
2 years ago
Icey, Libertarians are just Republicans who want to smoke weed and get laid. They want to protect civil liberties, just so long as that does not extend to poor people. But at least here, talking about Texas, there is a recognition that state politics have turned into persecution. SJG [view link]
san_jose_guy
2 years ago
It's not about civil liberties. The fucking idiots just support Republicans as long as it doesn't affect them paying hookers for sex. Such admirable values
Icee Loco (asshole)
2 years ago
^ I prefer to call it "common sense."
Tetradon
2 years ago
I really love going after the asinine policies from the left side of the aisle where there no consequences for anybody at all and you get Chicago, Seattle, LA, SF. Liberals destroyed these once great cities. There's no debating that. But this is the other side of that, it's just insanity to make that felony. There's a middle ground here I would love to see us all get to.
Muddy
2 years ago
^ Really, on that political compass meme going around, I'm almost smack in the middle. I'm largely pro choice and see room to raise taxes on the wealthy. I think the Texas abortion law is batshit, and this law is almost as stupid. But Icey can't distinguish between any positions to the right of AOC, so we're all Q or Nazis. Funny, he also likes to talk about shit we'd never say to his face.
Tetradon
2 years ago
They seem to want the women to be impoverished, desperate. This certainly is how Rick Dugan sees it. SJG The White Stripes - Under Amazonian Lights [view link]
san_jose_guy
2 years ago
Anyone from Texas willing to offer a local perspective and help us get this conversation back on topic. Should mongers stay out of strip clubs and massage parlors when visiting Texas?
Electronman
2 years ago
Shouldn't solicit women, anywhere. No reason to. Cause of the COVID Hysteria I would say I would like to be in TX now, but these new persecutory laws concern me. Rather be in Florida. SJG
san_jose_guy
2 years ago
Both the left and the right go after the sex-biz - IDK if it's still the case but a few years ago it seemed Seattle was going hard after johns and not prosecuting the women; it seemed they were sending a message that women in the P4P biz were being victimized by the johns that wanted sex and the johns were the problem and thus the ones that should be gone after -
Papi_Chulo
2 years ago
New Orleans also went after the strip club biz pretty-hard a couple of years ago and I'm under the impression the Dems were in charge at the time - also it seemed the left was the one that went after Backpage a few years ago.
Papi_Chulo
2 years ago
Since the TX state government has long been controlled by Neo-Nazi traitor wackjobs, you can only guess what their point is. I'd always heard that TX SCs were relatively extras-friendly. If the Neo-Nazis are wanting to actually suck evangelical dick, they could just start be enforcing the prostitution laws they already have. So maybe they are just making the law they plan to ignore stronger. Kinda like those strippers that mouth your dick through your pants.
ilbbaicnl
2 years ago
This is a new law (from misdemeanor to felony) and needs to be taken seriously just like any Felony grade offense. I agree it is a very ineffective way of curbing human trafficking and has the adverse affects of increased rapes and violence. Not to mention millions employed in the sex industry making an honest living. However, such laws are proposed and then passed by people who see a need to prove their impeccable "moral fabric". A way of redemption - and many supportive lawmakers and their cohorts have a crappy and sinful past. There are countries that have curbed human trafficking, venereal disease spread and pimp domination very effectively by appropriate laws - while allowing consensual paid sex between adults. Fundamentally, making prostitution between consensual adults (18+) criminal, is against United States Constitution. I have not heard of raids, arrests or changed behavior. But you can be sure they are coming. The entire legal industry likes this kind of crime - from cops, lawyers, judges to everyone in between. It is a safe crime and LE is not endangering life or limb arresting a lonely John seeking company. If you are a cop - what beat would you like to be assigned for the night? Watch for criminal activity in thug alley with open firings or visiting a parlor looking for solicitations for sex? ... there's personal safety and pleasure at stake !!! If you are lawyer - what case would you like to handle? A guy who shot two people and is broke and has 99 other problems, or an embarrassed John looking to get out of the situation at any cost. So knowing the politics behind grand politics - once a bill becomes law - we have to follow. And deny the legal/LE industry any chance for having fun and getting paid - at our expense.
rogertex
2 years ago
There's money to be made by incarcerating people. The costs of incarcerating actually violent people is much higher, so there is more profit in incarcerating people who only defend themselves. Busting P4P customers is probably even less dangerous that busting the typical drug user. They put the spotlight now on busting the customers, because the can slander them as human traffickers. get the nanny state liberals on board. But I'm sure in TX they'll also bust the sex worker, say it's the best way to make sure she "gets help".
ilbbaicnl
2 years ago
yeah every spineless slime is gonna try an milk this law.
rogertex
2 years ago
It seems like Texas and Cali are trying to outdo each other on crazy extreme legislation. This is a lose-lose situation for citizens of both states.
Uprightcitizen
2 years ago
The thing that really bites is making something that should be a winked at misdemeanor into a felony- more serious business now. There are 47 other Conus states you know....
minnow
2 years ago
SJG wants to know if this law pertains to goats.
shailynn
2 years ago
@nicespice a relative of mine in Texas got surprised by a snake in her house. She put a shotload in the revolver and shot it. Messed up the vinyl flooring a little but not as bad you'd expect. That would probably work with trouser snakes too.
ilbbaicnl
2 years ago
God Bless Texas! We are getting rid of the Californians! That sounds like a great time Nicespice! I am going to pull my dick out more often. I bet that feels so dam good! 👍
48-Cowboy
2 years ago
@rogertex. Thanks for the on topic post! When the US outlawed alcohol during Prohibition, it didn't reduce demand for alcohol but it opened the door for criminals, such as Al Capone, to provide illicit (and dangerous) alcohol. The Texas law and other similar laws may be heading us down the same path as Prohibition. It is usually much better to legalize and regulate a substance (think marijuana and alcohol) or an activity (sex) that people really want/need, than it is to suppress it with draconian laws.
Electronman
2 years ago
There is all sorts of draconian laws on the books already. I’ll get more specific: No grinding on customers in Austin. Must have the required t-back on underwear for Austin in topless clubs. (Btw dancers have been arrested and had to register as a sex offender, because the alcohol board can and does like its power trips. Customers afaik, have never received any problems.) Houston I think *might* technically have six foot laws still on the books? But it’s one of the most laughable ignorable things out there. Dallas one is not allowed to sell hourly time blocks. That is WAY blatantly ignored. Ft worth has laws against tipping in garters. San Antonio has the gawd awful painted on pasties. Also, no back massages are allowed on customers. Even if fully clothed and out in the open. Because that’s prostitution as well. And I’m sure there are many other obscure laws. Generally, club managers don’t go around saying this stuff, it’s mostly found out if/when raids happen. At the risk of sounding like a raging feminist: The Texas tradition is basically to come up with excuses to go after sex workers, not customers. And this legislation, combined with anti-abortion legislation, is Texas republicans on a rampage to reassert themselves to keep up that tradition. Heck, even with the recent 21+ law. It was written to keep *everyone* below drinking age out of the clubs. But the clubs blatantly advertise to the 18+ customers but know that they better not advertise the same for the dancers. I guess there is the ~slight~ possibility of some type of #meetoo sentiment that would enable actually enforcing prosecuting customers thanks to this recent legislation. But Texas doesn’t have known track record for really caring about that type of thing anyways. [view link] All in all, I have my doubts any patron has anything to worry about.
nicespice
2 years ago
Dallas is considering a law forcing sexually oriented businesses to close between 2-6AM.
shadowcat
2 years ago
"Should a Monger Travel Advisory be issued for Texas?" Nope. This is a law passed primarily to make the general public feel like someone is doing something about the "sinners" in their midst. The problem with turning minor "crimes" into felonies is that their enforcement (even if selective) puts people in jail who don't need to be in jail. That's expensive to the taxpayer and a great way to turn a minor offense into a career criminal.
Call.Me.Ishmael
2 years ago
Texas is just a weird state 10,000 people going to a high school football game? Pfffft Everyone knows high school basketball is the best sport
motorhead
2 years ago
“Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves.” ~ Ronald Reagan Government is instituted to protect property of every sort; as well that which lies in the various rights of individuals, as that which the term particularly expresses. This being the end of government, that alone is a just government which impartially secures to every man whatever is his own. ~ James Madison The two statements above explain the proper role of government. It is to protect our property. We own our own bodies so that is included under property. The government is not there to protect us from ourselves, only from others. Both Republicans and Democrats can violate this principle. Many Republicans, like the ones in Texas, don't want women to be able to decide whether they want to sell their body for sex in exchange for money. Many Democrats might allow this but wouldn't want high earning escorts to be able to keep the money they earn and subject them to high tax rates. Many Republicans don't want people to be able to use drugs like Marijuana or Cocaine. Many Democrats don't want people to be able to use drugs like Ivermectin or HCQ. Both sides have an inability to see when they are being philosophically inconsistent.
docsavage
2 years ago
I generally avoid making any posts remotely political but I will say that the Texas legislature and government are not making laws that are reasonable, they are making laws they think will get them re-elected. That’s the number one priority of politicians. If the laws are unfair, have no practical effect are not enforceable makes no difference. The only thing that matters is will they get more votes.
FishHawk
2 years ago
What LE loves the most is the rape by blackmail. One of my favs was on parole, and as soon as her PO found out she was stripping, he told her she was fucking him or getting violated. Fortunately, they believed her when she reported him, he got canned.
ilbbaicnl
2 years ago
A Monger Travel Advisory should be issued for California because of Governor Gavin Newsom and his return to COVID insanity! [view link] This is complete insanity and we must fight back in any way we can! WATCH LIVE: White House COVID task force holds news briefing [view link] SJG John Coltrane [view link]
san_jose_guy
2 years ago
As @nicespice posted, there are plenty of laws on the books w.r.t. strip-clubs, Texas or o/w, which aren't enforced until they wanna get rid of a club or a club-scene - I recall in the mid-2000s while living and SCing in Dallas, that there was a brief period of a couple of weeks when contact dances were not allowed b/c the current lady-mayor in office at the time decided to start enforcing some contact-law that had apparently been on the books for a long time - so it remains to be seen how strongly it's enforced but the fact they've upped-it from a misdemeanor to a felony is concerning.
Papi_Chulo
2 years ago
In Texas I often heard that the girls couldn’t take their shoes off because of some prostitution law. In Austin in particular the managers got antsy about customers grabbing tits during main floor dances. Not sure if that was because of some local statute or what.
8TM
2 years ago
@jackslash yeah it's very fucking confusing. When you meet a dyed-in-the-wool Texan, they always seem to be hyper-Libertarian if political at all, so I just don't understand how they end up with such a Neo-Nazi state government. It's cool how you can drive down to Laredo and smell the Jacarandas, without having to cross into Mexico and get carjacked.
ilbbaicnl
2 years ago
Ugh TX is just majorly fucked as nicespice elaborated on much more. And now my cat decided I am looking at this site too much right now so she is being retardedly cute to distract me from this.
blahblahblah23
2 years ago
Your cat is probably correct.
Call.Me.Ishmael
2 years ago
I farted on Texas. I gonna dump a load der next
MackTruck
2 years ago
Even Blahblah gets distracted by good pussy
Uprightcitizen
2 years ago
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