Comments by docsavage (page 39)

I saw a woman on another website make an argument one time that older men should be with women the same age as them. She was against any form of commercial sex, which would include strip clubs, which enable older men and younger women to spend time together. To her way of thinking, people should be with a member of the opposite sex who is within a few years of them. This is not an uncommon belief among older women and the political support for restrictions or bans on strip clubs often come from this group. Some younger guys are much like these older women. They want to restrict the ability of younger women to spend time with rich older men because they want to reduce the ability of rich older men to act as potential competition. They don't call for the government to step in and become involved so you can't really say they are anti-libertarian. They do sometimes want club management to step in. I've never heard of a club that puts time restrictions on girls spending time with a particular customer so club managers and the strippers have decided that is the best way to maximize both club income and stripper income.

Do you know why you feel so apathetic about the idea of going to a strip club? I'm still going to them but increasingly don't feel a desire to buy lap dances once I'm there. I now often go just to get out of the house when I start to develop cabin fever. I think my lack of desire to do lap dances is because of the decreasing attractiveness of the strippers. Last night I went to a club and didn't see a single girl that looked good to me. When a stripper who looked like she weighed 200 pounds got up on stage, I decided I had enough of sitting there and left. As I walked out, I noticed a lot of unhappy faces on the male customers so they were reacting the same way. I really think it's their fault, though. I was at the same club about a month ago. I saw a really pretty girl sitting by herself up at the bar. I asked her to go back and do some lap dances with me. While we were doing them, she told me she had been there two hours and I was the first guy to ask for a lap dance. I've never seen her since so she probably quit due to lack of income. Most of the customers who go to that club now want to look at cute girls up on stage but they don't want to spend any money so they end up looking at 200 pound fatties instead.

I've had regulars who were monopolized a lot by big spenders and often weren't available when I went to see them. There's usually more than one girl in a club I think is desirable, so the simplest solution is to find a substitute and make her my regular instead. The only problem is when I go in the club and both girls aren't busy and both head in my direction when they see me. One girl a trip is usually enough for me. I don't want to turn away the girl who seems to be always willing to spend time with me so if she gets to me first I'll do lap dances with her and then leave before the other girl spots me and heads in my direction. If the almost always busy girl gets to me first, I'll do lap dances with her but then stay for the second girl who is my usual regular.

Customers talk to strippers a long time because the strippers let them. They let them because they figure they make more money from the talkative guys than they would from the guys who aren't talkative. I had a regular who complained to me she wasn't making enough money because most of her regulars, unlike me, wanted to sit and talk with her for long periods of time. She then tried to switch away from that and just do lap dances but found she made even less money that way. She ended up quitting. I would say that if you really like your regular you should be cognizant that they won't stay working at the club unless they can reach a certain income level. You either need to give them a lot of money or not be greedy and be willing to share them with all the other customers.

I would be fine with more people driving EVs as long as I don't have to pay more taxes so the government can subsidize the purchase of them for those who want to buy them. I also wouldn't want rolling blackouts if the electrical grid is overwhelmed by all the EVs being charged up. The political left seems to be pushing EVs mostly for environmental reasons. The major cause of environmental degradation in this country, though, probably is coming from the rapid population increases. These population increases are primarily fueled by uncontrolled immigration as the population increases when people move here and then increases even more as they have children after moving here. The political left has actually been encouraging this since most of the immigrants vote Democrat. So, the Democrats are willing to sacrifice the environment in order to gain a political advantage over the Republicans.

I don't spend a lot, maybe five thousand dollars a year or sixty thousand dollars in the twelve years I've been going to clubs. I like to get out of the house and get a change of scenery so I go about once a week, pick a girl and just buy two or three lap dances with her. I like drinking and people watching while I'm there too. I do that in strip clubs and also cocktail bars, sports bars and small clubs with live music. I could increase my income and spend more at the strip club but I'm lazy. I only work four hours a day. I could increase that up to eight hours and make more money but I like working four hours a day. I've always been lazy. I got bad grades in high school, even though my father was a high school teacher. My dad would say I was "smart but lazy". I don't think I'm that smart but I'm definitely lazy.

A lot of clubs will charge door fees or require a drink purchase or both just to keep out guys who don't want to spend money and just want to hang out or take up the time of the strippers by trying to talk to them. Even with this, you can have something of a free rider problem where attractive girls are showing up because of the small percentage of customers who spend money on them but there are a lot of time wasters in the club trying to divert the girls attention over to them. The club owners will usually put up with these guys because if they weren't in the club there would often just be a lot of empty tables in the club. They may not stage tip or buy dances but if they at least pay a door fee or buy a drink they are contributing to club income. If their presence is ok to the club owner then it is usually ok to me. There may be some situations, though, where the guys with a lot of money to spend get tired of trying to compete for stripper attention with all the non-spenders hanging out in the club or feel like they are carrying most of the financial burden of keeping the club open and the girls coming in. That can engender resentment and cause them to stop showing up and club owners are aware of that possibility too.

One of my stripper regulars was a vax skeptic. She finally caved in and got vaccinated because her father kept nagging at her about it. She said he was retired and didn't have much else to do with his life beside nagging at her about things. Many old people, like this girl's father, are quite frightened by this disease. This fear is a rational response in their case but the same level of fear may not be rational in a young person. An eighty year old is a thousand times more likely to die of Covid than a twenty year old. The main exception for older people are those who have already had the disease and have natural immunity. A recent Israeli study showed people with natural immunity have one sixth the chance of getting Covid as a vaccinated person. A Washington University study showed people who had Covid had antibodies equivalent to a tetanus shot. The tetanus shot provides protection for ten years so it is possible Covid natural immunity could last for years. SARS is 80% similar to Covid. People who had SARS seventeen years ago still show antibodies. There is also cross immunity between SARS and Covid. People who had SARS years ago are less likely to catch Covid now. There are studies like a CDC study that show natural immunity doesn't work as well as vaccines but they rely on the inability of the layman to see the underlying methodological flaws in them. Also, many people tend to unthinkingly trust authority figures. Many of these government agencies suffer from what is in economics called "regulatory capture". This is the tendency of government regulatory agencies to be taken over by the industries they are supposed to regulate. In the case of Covid, vaccines are promoted for everyone because of the influence of Big Pharma. For example, Pfizer has 932 lobbyists in Washington. They also make large donations to politicians they think will win elections. This is not ideological. They gave Trump a million dollars in 2016 and Biden a million dollars in 2020. They are just buying political influence. The vaccines have been very profitable for Pfizer, adding several billion dollars to their profits this year. Without this vaccine company influence, we would probably be engaging in what epidemiologist Martin Kulldorf at Harvard calls "focused protection". People in high risk categories like being old or obese would be strongly encouraged to get the vaccine while people in low risk categories like young people and those with natural immunity could skip it if they want. Once vaccinated, the vaccine provides a good level of protection against death to the vaccinated person so vaccinated people are not at great risk from the unvaccinated.

"The more helpful discussion would be how to spot and how to help workers, including AMP employees and strippers, who are being trafficked." I work for the army and everyone in the army is given a class on spotting the signs. It's even more common overseas than here in the U.S. and, with army bases all over the world, male soldiers and civilian military personnel may come across this. Beside listing the signs, another thing that is emphasized is that anyone who spots it should not try to rescue the girl because the people involved in trafficking are quite dangerous. They should report it to the proper authorities and let them handle it.

Call.Me.Ishmael, I don't like AMPS for the same reasons you don't. So, for both me and you, it's a good thing strip clubs haven't moved in that direction. I've wondered why, though, there seems to be more restrictions on strip clubs than massage places. We haven't had a new strip club open and then stay open here in Indianapolis for over 20 years. They seem to get blocked by the city government using zoning laws and licensing laws. One suburban club opened and was forced to close after the land it was on was rezoned. A local Mexican bar put up a stripper pole and hired some strippers and then was raided by the police because they didn't have an entertainment license. It's doubtful if they could have gotten one even if they tried to. Massage places, though, open all the time here. Everyone knows that sexual activities take place in them, even more so than in strip clubs, but the city government doesn't stop them from opening. Why the double standard? It just seems very strange to me.

My sister has chronic fatigue syndrome and has even fallen asleep while out driving around in her car. Your OTC friend could have that. That is fairly common, with more than 200,000 cases per year here in the U.S.

I've had that happen. I've even had situations where I was looking for my regular and other strippers told me she wasn't in the club even when she was. When I'm looking for a regular, I usually won't even ask another stripper if they have seen her back in the dressing room or somewhere else in the club. If I'm feeling impatient, sometimes I will but I'm more likely to ask a waitress to check for me. One local club has all the girls currently in the club listed on a chalkboard behind the dj booth. That's kind of nice and I often check that when I walk into the club looking for a regular.

An upsell doesn't always happen. I just went to a bakery. When I bought some doughnuts they didn't ask if I wanted some cupcakes too. That would have slightly annoyed me if they had. That being said, it really depends on a couple of things whether an attempt at an upsell is annoying to me. If I'm doing multiple dances with a girl and she makes a brief attempt to sell me a VIP I don't mind. If it is the very first lap dance and she asks me if I want to do a VIP, talks about how much I would enjoy it, and then wants to know why I don't want to do one when I politely say "no, thank you" then it is annoying. This does happen to me. I paid for the lap dance and I want to enjoy it. I understand the girls are trying to make more money but they need to understand they need to provide an enjoyable experience for me too. There are lots of girls at the club and I'm usually looking for regulars. If I have one girl who is trying to talk me into a VIP or doing more lap dances, asking for tips or asking for more money to do something all the other girls will do as part of a regular lap dance, I won't pick that girl as a regular. I'll pick the low pressure girl instead. I'll often end up spending thousands of dollars on a regular so it is a little short sighted for a stripper to get too aggressive trying to get money out of me. The low pressure girls are smarter because they are playing a long game and trying to establish a good relationship with the customers. They know in a city like Indianapolis, where I live, that the clubs don't have a lot of tourists and they will see the same local guys over and over again. They are more concerned about the guy picking them again the next time he comes in instead of trying to squeeze the most money out of him on the first visit.

I haven't seen any Cuban strippers here in Indiana so I'm a little surprised they have migrated to Illinois but not the state next door. I generally like Hispanic strippers. I'm physically attracted to them and they also seem friendly and don't have that "I'm doing you a favor giving you a lap dance" attitude I get sometimes from other strippers. Two of my favorite regulars right now are a Puerto Rican girl and a Mexican girl. I've done lap dances with girls from Venezuela, Peru, Brazil, Bolivia, the Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Mexico, Guatemala, and Costa Rica. That sounds like a lot but that's over hundreds of strip club visits. Most Indiana clubs may have only one Hispanic girl on their roster.

"What's the risk of getting a club raided by LE with what we say on here?" I've been going to clubs for 12 years and have never seen anyone get arrested for doing something sexual in the club. I have not heard any strippers say they ever saw that either. What is more likely is that a girl will get caught by management doing something she is not supposed to and then is fired, along with the male customer being banned by the club. There is a lot of money invested in these clubs and the owners want to protect their investment. They are often cautious about allowing illegal activities, either sex or drug related, in the club. Local governments can use zoning or licensing laws to shut down clubs allowing that. I have had strippers say there are undercover police officers occasionally lurking about in the clubs here in Indianapolis but they usually spend their time doing things like fining girls for not having their nipples covered with nipple tape. They don't do something here like pose as a customer, make an arrangement with a girl to do something sexual, and then arrest her. That does happen sometimes in local massage parlors but not in the strip clubs here. The few local strip club raids I've heard about have mostly resulted in arrests for drug possession, not for doing something sexual.

I'm disappointed the NBA has got so caught up with pushing SJW politics. As a kid I was always bad at sports. I was more the skinny little kid type who could never be good at sports and spent more time doing things like reading books. I lived in a basketball crazy small Indiana town, though, and have always liked basketball for nostalgic reasons. The movie "Hoosiers" about a small town high school basketball team that knocks off a big city team for the high school championship is one of my favorite movies. So I like basketball more in spite of the leftist political beliefs of the players than because of them. I also like the music of John Cougar Mellancamp, in spite of him being a liberal, because he sings about small Indiana towns and the people in them and I just like his music. I think it is better to keep politics and sports separate. I remember when Michael Jordan was selling his own brand of sneakers. He said one time he stayed out of leftist politics because Republicans buy sneakers too. He got into trouble for that but I think he had the right idea about not going out of the way to alienate a large part of his fan base.

It's not surprising the nation's largest bank payment processor is trying to disrupt conservative fund raisers. The main problem in this country are liberal parasitic elites. The main challenge to them is coming from average people who are part of a conservative populist movement. This movement really took off with the Tea Party groups about a decade ago. They saw after the 2008 big bank bailouts and the Middle east wars that helped to shovel money to the military-industrial complex that both the liberals and left leaning neocons were problems. Trump was able to win in 2016 because he made an effort to reach out to average people in the Rust Belt states like Indiana where I live and be on their side.

I haven't been the last one there at a strip club but I've been the first one there numerous times and it's also eerily quiet before the music starts. I worked near a club and was close enough to go there on my lunch hour from noon to one. The club opened at noon. There were normally no girls or customers there right after they opened, just the manager, but I had a favorite regular who was willing to show up a little early and do lap dances with me during my lunch hour. Often the music wasn't on yet and she would go over and turn it on so it would be playing while we were doing the lap dances. It was nice having the lap dance area to ourselves. Later on she became a bartender at another strip club and the manager would let her take a break from bartending while he filled in for her so she could still do lap dances with me. I never saw her do that with anyone else and asked her why I was the only guy in Indianapolis who got to do lap dances with her. She said it was because I never caused any problems for her.

The Iroquois never developed a deep understanding of natural rights. One of these rights is the right to own private property. All land was owned communally by them. Private property is required to move from a primitive hunter-gatherer stage to the agricultural stage and then industrial stage. Because they never fully developed private property rights, they were permanently frozen into their primitive hunter-gatherer lifestyle, a lifestyle where people only had a life expectancy of around 35, a lifestyle without advanced technology or any of the modern conveniences we take for granted. If you think the Iroquois political system, culture and lifestyle is superior to that of the founding fathers and their descendants, then you need to stop posting on the internet and get a bow and arrow and go out and hunt for a deer for dinner.

@CJKent-band You say democracy was old news in the "New World" in 1776. Are you aware that the word "democracy" itself comes from Ancient Greek and the Greeks had democracy over two thousand years ago? The Founders were well read in the Ancient Greek and Roman classics and didn't need to learn about democracy from Native Americans.

By the standards of today it was classist and racist but it was in advance of the rest of the world at that time in moving away from classism and racism. Slavery existed all throughout human history and was not unique to America. Most countries then were led by despotic elites at the top of a rigid class system. You certainly would not have found things to be better in Europe, Asia or Africa in the eighteenth century. America was the first place where you heard ideas like "all men are equal and have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". After the American revolution and up to the present, efforts have been made to extend those rights to blacks and women. People from all over the world have immigrated to America because, while not perfect, it was better than almost all other places.

H.L. Mencken was an early twentieth century Baltimore journalist. Later on when he was writing about those days he talked about how a number of successful Baltimore politicians and businessmen frequented the more high class houses of prostitution in Baltimore. Some of them ended up marrying the women they met there. Many of these women had come from poorer backgrounds and this was a way for them to move up in the world by meeting successful men and then using their looks, charm, and sexual skills to get these men to marry them.

@twenty five, when you say something is true based upon the supposed prestige of those saying it, you are engaged in the logical fallacy of argumentum ad verecundiam or appeal to authority. When you call Berenson an ass clown or yokel, you are engaged in the logical fallacy of argumentum ad hominem. What Berenson said that I reported in my comment above about vaccinated people under sixty dying at higher rates than unvaccinated ones may or may not be true, but to be persuasive you need to provide counter-evidence. I would be more inclined to believe the pro-vaxx side if they didn't spend so much time engaged in name calling, trying to censor their opponents instead of answering their arguments and trying to use the government to force everyone to get vaccinated. That indicates to me that they don't have the logic and facts on their side.

"Alex Berensen LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL" Polls show that support for mandating the Covid vaccines is dropping. That's because, in spite of attempts to censor information that the vaccine companies raking in big profits and their bought and paid for politicians don't want people to see, the news is getting out that there are problems with them. It is also because, like the person I quoted above, the pro-vaxx side has a lot of individuals who are not able to offer persuasive counter-arguments. They are totally oblivious how bad they make their own side look. With friends like that, who needs enemies?

Data from the British government shows that over the last six months British adults under the age of sixty who received a Covid vaccine are dying at twice the rate of British adults under the age of sixty who didn't get vaccinated. https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/vaccinated-english-adults-under-60 This is not the only country where this is being seen. Normally vaccines are tested four or five years before they are approved. The Covid vaccines were only tested for several months. There have been zero tests on the long term safety of booster shots. If we start giving everyone booster shots, we are performing a mass experiment using the entire population as guinea pigs. We might want to at least let individuals decide on their own if they want to be part of that experiment. We should also reconsider mandating vaccines for younger adults. Older adults who are vaccinated are already largely protected from serious illness if a younger adult passes it along to them. There is some evidence that, while the vaccines protect against serious illness, they don't stop disease transmission so vaccinating young people to keep them from passing it along is ineffective while, at the same time, it exposes them to the risks of the vaccine. Eighty percent of all Covid deaths are among adults over sixty so it is really mainly them where you have a situation where the benefits of the vaccine outweigh the risks.