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8 years ago
@neon44 Never "help" with bills. Just say "I feel you" or "that sucks" when she talks about traumatic stuff. She can only get your money by "working" for you. She isn't telling you why she was fired. Probably did drugs ITC and the SC doesn't tolerate that. Other dancers will rat to the manager she has drugs on her, and the manager will fire her because if there is a police raid, the stripper and manager/owner will be arrested for trafficing, not just the stripper. The stripper will turn "states witness" and say the manager gave the drugs to her to put in her bag as the cops were walking in the door of the SC.
You can be "friends" with her OTC aslong as she responds to texts and follows through. She might be at a new SC already but wont tell you because she doesn't want her old customers to see her in her club (spread rumors, or call her by her wrong stage name).
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8 years ago
Usually I automatically reject post-partum. Too fat, deflated saggy tits. But on the other hand, the post-partums are some of the highest mileage strippers in talking attention and VIP room attention, while the child-free strippers are stuck up bitches who barely will touch you or look at you ITC. I guess it is because post-partums dance as a job, while the childfree dance for fun, drugs and new clothes. The post-partums know their income declined dramatically from day 1 of stripping or child-free days so they know how to treat a customer right. I've learned to just look at the face of a post partum and never her body in VIP.
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8 years ago
@Estafador "I, unlike many of these folks here, am of the mind that I come to the strip club so I won't have to hit on women they hit on me. If I have to ask for a dance from a stripper, that totally defeats the purpose of what TUSCL citizens call "fantasy world"."
I agree. These girls act like it is a regular civie nightclub, not a SC. "we are being paid to party every night, I dont even think I am working when I am at the SC". Finding another SC to replace the club I describe in this thread is tough. All other SCs around me are pastie clubs due to zoning code. No pussy, no $ is my rule. I'd have to get on a plane to find a replacement SC.
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8 years ago
ATF quit my SC this week and my bro whose apartment was a hotbox for years swore off weed forever last month and now "sober" 2 months. I need to find a new supply.
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8 years ago
Now with a suit, my hood SC is getting rediculous, the suit stopped working. I went upto a 10 out of 10 dancer standing at the bar I VIPed last week, asked for a dance, she actually refused but with stripper shit. "baby where r u sitting? Go sit down and ill come by" she then went over to a gangbanger with shutter shades at the bar and grinded for free.
At my other dive less-hood SC, my kindda fav was told to leave me by a bouncer because she sat with me for 15 minutes talking.
I think I am going stop comming here unless CF #1 is here and she texted me today she quit my hood SC after 2 weeks and now works at a bikini bar in the sticks. As much as I loved my hood SC for 9 months, if I am lighting money on fire at a SC, it better be warm and not hip hop make it rain strippers that get $100 a song without a guy even looking at her or touching her so when I try to make them talk they are GTFO. Its hilarious the visit after I met my ATF I get a no door fee card, a week later ATF quits, and all the dancers shut down on me. I am starting to think fav #2 told all the dancers to stay away from me after I played with her clit and almost DATYed her in VIP room. I did ask if I can touch, she smiled and said yes and fake orgasmed from it. Almost DATY means I kissed her stomach and inner thighs and her landing strip but I never kissed closer than 2 inches from her pussy lips for health reasons. Fav #2 buzzed her hair to bottle blonde gelled and spiked butch lesbian today from black and long and never sat down to me when she did before. Looks like she thinks I raped her and she told all the other dancers what happened. Fun conspiracy theory. Due to the hair fav #2 gone off my fav list.
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8 years ago
@grand1511 There were 2 other dancers that I did in that time. I also ordered food. Maria finally sat down about 20 minutes after Kelly left for the night. I left after I was done with Maria since I had nothing more to do. All dancers I wanted that night were processed and no new ones will be coming that late at night.
@JohnSmith69
"First, tell the girl that you want dances from her from the outset and make it clear that you've got money to spend. Often you can't rely upon eye contact, silent stage tipping, and raw desire. From your story it sounds like you didn't even tell her that you wanted a dance until the end of the night. At that point she's happy to dance for you but you're in too much emotional turmoil to even consider it. Sure she should have known long before that you wanted a dance, but lots of guys stage tip and don't buy dances. Be assertive."
Thanks for your response. I didn't want to walk upto her and say "I wanna dance" with Kelly. I could've, but I decided not to. If she won't sit and talk, she is not worth the $ for a LD later as #6. She needs to try and compete with fri/sat #1 and #2. I am not sure how to say the following 2 sentences without being completely offensive.
"you aren't hot enough that I will buy a LD from you with no small talk, so if you want $, you better sit with me and talk shit"
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"if you sit with me and chill you will get some dollars for being a sweetheart vs no dollars".
I know that 100% of all attention, attraction, they "like me" is fake in a SC, but I can't lampshade to a stripper directly "babe, can you sit with me and pretend you like me and pretend you are obsessed with me? there will be a lil something in it it for you", that really ruins the fantasy to call it fake to a stripper before she starts her job.
@chessmaster
"Usually they will smalltalk afterwards if not beforehand."
Nope. That is a unicorn in my city. Just twice in 9 months of weekly SCing at this club did that ever happen (a dancer sat down next to me after LDing her). The 2nd time is DS/CF #1. A number of strippers at my club, will never sit with a customer, or just once per night, probably a dealer. They stand at the bar, or sit in the corner of strippers on phones. Others are "wanna dance" or dont even ask they just walk over and start table air dancing without asking. Occasionally there are manager/bouncer involved fights between customers and strippers over the stripper doing a table air dance without asking. The customers dont even think they bought anything and I completely agree with them. The fights are documented on TUSCL reviews. Table dances are supposed to be contact LDs in this SC. A table air dance is a rip off. Probably because I club solo I've never experienced a dancer trying to table dance me without asking. All the air table dance without asking reports on TUSCL say these were groups visits, not solo. The dancers figure alpha guy in the group will pay up for the air table dances to not loose face infront of his homeboys that he is cheap. That doesn't work when your friends are real friends and dont think that way about you.
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8 years ago
After 3 years of frequent SCing, it is still hard for me to not think negatively about sex workers. My CF actually matches every single negative stereotype about strippers there is but I love her anyway. When I get the urge to go judgmental, I just stop and look at myself. Why am I not married/LTR? Why am I in a SC? I am no better than any stripper. I am a perv and you are a ho. We are both going to burn in hell for what we do, but atleast it will be hot and steamy fun down there.
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8 years ago
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ItsmytimeI’ve had enough and I can’t take it any more
One SC I've been to always has a uniformed armed off duty detail cop just inside the front door. He doesn't seem to have any purpose except stand around since the pat down and ID check are done by regular black jacket bouncers. I check the badge, it was the correct PD for that city. Seeing the cop was so crazy, I googled it and was true that that SC hires real cops. The mayor of the city and the police commissioner say while the business maybe offensive, it is not illegal and they can't discriminate against which business want a detail cop. The cop is $60 per hour for detail work, city takes 25% of the $60 as their fee.
Internet rumor says the detail cop is protection money. I never found an official explanation for the detail cop.
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8 years ago
Once an hour till my dick bleeds from chafing.
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8 years ago
@shadowcat "IME the person that answers a club's phone is usually the door girl and in clubs where there are more than a few dancers, they have no idea who is there."
In both of my regular SCs (dancer list is a secret and dancer list online), door girl collects the house fee which changes on when the dancer arrives and enters the dancer into the POS so VIP rooms can be billed. The bar staff at both SCs often leaves the POS screens with the dancer list visible to anyone who walks by.
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8 years ago
In some parts of the USA (white trash areas) dancers and customers both need day care services at the SC. Check cashing, liquor store, day care, strip club, all in the same strip mall.
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8 years ago
@jestrite50 Amen. Without kissing and DFK, its not a female, just very expensive by "the song" porn where you aren't allowed to jerk off.
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8 years ago
Thank god Showcase isn't on the list.
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8 years ago
One of my regular SCs posts their dancer schedule online. The other regular SC says on privacy grounds they won't say if any particular dancer is working there and basically told me to either pay the door fee or fuck off.
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8 years ago
"btw im a newbie to the strip clubs"
be careful
"She wants me to come to her house and chill and have a drink.. anyone ever experience this? And yes I have this particular girl's number and no I didnt ask for it"
Meet outside the club at a restaurant or public place first. Otherwise it might be a robbery by her boyfriend or a prostitution sting. If she can't sit through a dinner or a public place, before meeting at her house or your house, something is fishy. Relationships are an investment, even if its P4P. In a medium posh to upscale hotel you can sit and chat in the lobby before revealing your room number to her by taking her to your room. At a private house, motel, or an apartment, its impossible to not reveal your address.
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8 years ago
>Porn stars A) generally ask for about 3-10x the going rate for the same dance from a club girl
It was $150 in VIP room for the touring, rarely seen in public, pornstar, IDK if it was 1 song or 3 songs, but that same SC's VIP room is $600 for 3 songs. The pornstar was cheaper than a regular stripper. $150 was worth it, $600 for a possible air dance, hell no.
B) won't be giving you any extras,
Got titty sucking and touching anywhere ontop of her clothes I wanted. Unknown about extras, I didn't ask. Same pornstar has an absurdly high escort fee through a well known over prices agency. The VIP room LD was well well well below her official price at the escort agency.
C) may well have a bouncer with her the whole time
No cameras, probably no bouncer (although obviously one is within scream distance always in any SC).
D) will probably not allow much 2-way contact if any.
Titty sucking and touching over her bottoms her pussy.
On the other hand, my regular SC has a former pornstar who works 2x a week since forever, she is on my blacklist since she allowed no touching in corner LD area unlike all other strippers in the club and tried to upsell VIP with vauge promises. Traveling rarely seen in public pornstar was the sweetest, most smiley girl ever and could hold a convo. Like Lexi Belle sweet. Makes you think "shes a pornstar, how the fuck is she one without a dead inside ghetto tough chick attitude?"
Regular SC former pornstar in my SC is just about the money and ice cold. IME from porn conventions 75% of pornstars are "dead inside" and just about the money. 25%, like Lexi Belle are sweet, talkable, and GFEish. Most people's experience will be 9 out of 10 pornstars are a bad or boring experience to meet IRL. 1 out of 10 will make you think you think you are hallucinating that such a nice girl does porn. I pick my pornstars nicely and can tell by their body language at booths how they will be once I open my mouth. I've never had a bad experience when I sought a pornstar IRL. When I by accident run into a porn star at my group of regular SCs, I usually have to google who the fuck they are, and Im not interested since I never heard of them before.
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8 years ago
@Dolfan I agree. Every text I send a dancer, I like to pretend a booking/intake cop will be reading through her message history the next time she is arrested. Her phone could also be her pimp's phone when she is not at work, or her BF "in denial she is a stripper" could take her phone while she is nodded out and be responding to me to set up a man to man showdown or robbery that nobody fucks his girl. I will never discuss drugs or sex, or $ for drugs or sex over a phone, text or voice.
There is also the problem that some strippers have no fucking clue what SC customer face is connected with what number or they dont store customers as contacts or something. They talk to every PL the same way, you arent Mike or Gus, you are "papi", so all papis get turned down for OTC and are told to go ITC where she will make a decision in person whether to OTC.
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8 years ago
@shailynn No, white gangbanger had a stubble beard and I am taller than him. Riff raff is 6'2". I am shorter than that and I would be looking at gangbanger hairline or above his head if I looked straight ahead instead of downwards at him. Wrong facial hair, wrong height, but otherwise very close.
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8 years ago
Dancers never file income tax, or under report most of it. Most dancers are on welfare too. It is a cash business. If you want "employee" status, you would earn $10-$20 per hour after taxes.
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8 years ago
When I was new to SCs 2-3 times dancers tried to pull more than club prices from me, "touching is extra". I paid at the time, but obviously no tip. 2 of them I never looked at again. 1 was such a stunner I didnt black list her, future dances from her had no "extra fees for no extras", but after many dances I realized she will never offer more than minimum service level and she is worthless to invest further in. At this point I am cynical enough and not giving a fuck that I'd stop the dance and say "lets go and ask the manager what the prices are here for dances" if a dancer tried to charge more without prior agreement on the main floor for what I am paying for.
"What would you gentlemen tip after two LDs with good two way touching, breasts and butt finished LDK style?"
$5, absolutely not more than $10. $0 if she never made eye/face expression contact with me in VIP. All dancers in my SC offer that without tip, or they are supposed to without tip. No stripper will ever get more than $10 tip unless she offers something the other dancers dont (and you have to try the other dancers to know what is standard). If she sits with me a super long time before, or AFTER the VIP room, she would become a >= $10 tip during LD girl. I sometimes tip nothing for VIP room, then make it rain at the pole whatever I was planning to give her in VIP room if I know she will be up on stage eventually that night. Warning, some shit dont stink top earner dancers may NEVER go on stage the whole fri/sat night since they think the pole is degrading. If she hides in DR or VIP with a regular or a whale to avoid the stage, oh well, move on, she doesn't need your tips, pay nothing more than the club minimum.
"Dance prices were 35 but the dancer quotes "her price" of 40 each, so I'd already spent 80. Pretty new here and want to be fair."
Were you told of the above normal prices before you entered the VIP room or VIP corner or did she tell you during the dance? Do you pay her/other dancers directly or do you pay a waitress or bouncer first? The question is, was she honest or did she try to hustle you, and did you have adequate opportunity to reject the elevated price?
$35 a dance is high for the USA. Somehow I'd think there is a cheaper kind of dance at your SC. Maybe its called a table dance, or bottom on VIP or semi public corner dance instead of VIP booth dance.
You do need a little bit more experience or to read TUSCL reviews to know whether each dancer sets their own prices or not in your SC. I once had a 3 or 4 dancer say "how much will you pay for a song?", I quoted a 1/4 of the official price ($5), she agreed to do 1 song (it was a pity dance for a long talk, but on a previous visit I just gave her $5 for sitting and talking a long time). No other dancer (20-30 of them) have ever done that to me since.
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8 years ago
@Subraman
The words dont matter, everyone knows what they mean.
non-extra/clean=only offers minimum service level that wont get her fired/customer goes to manager and demands a refund
extra/dirty=goes above minimum service level at that SC
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8 years ago
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Papi_ChuloMiami, FL (or the nearest big-booty club)
No. Needs lipo everywhere but the tits.
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8 years ago
Coffee offer was real. OTC sex is unknown. I think business travelers are safe (stalking/pimping/haggling/being poor) and easy marks, since the stripper will never see them again. She did her job perfectly if you forever wonder if it was real or fake.
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8 years ago
Final update, I think I found my ATF. We are "just friends" or "best friends" on the main floor and OTC, and in VIP she flips like a light switch to the biggest whore with no discussion of tips or $. After VIP, she always sits with me for free till I leave or club closing aslong as no new customers walk in. When new customers walk in, she always goes and greats them, but is usually back in a couple minutes after they decline her. Whether she likes me or not, IDK and IDC, its a SC, but she is perfect at faking a GF experience, and that is all that matters. 2-4 hours of her attention+VIP room for $100-$150 total spent for the night is an amazing deal.
She admits she has a SO but said it in a way that sounded like it was her dealer, not her BF. This is also her 3rd club in my city in 3 weeks. She left/asked not to return to 2 SCs in 1 week before finding my SC. According to her, the first one gave her 2 shifts, then refused to give her a schedule and said "we will call you when we want you to come in". The second one she quit since she refuses to drink alcohol ITC. The waitresses told her how to secretly say "no alcohol" but it was a lie. She was in the CR with a high spender and did the signal for no alcohol but the waitress kept giving her alcohol drinks. My ATF was forced to drink the alcohol drinks, and after the CR time, my ATF was wasted and confronted the waitress about what she was given. The waitress denied there was alcohol in the drinks and said ATF was imagining it. ATF never went back to that club and started at mine instead.
She never brings up what we do in VIP. I dont think I will either. We just communicate through facial expressions and body language and I get what I want. No words are exchanged. The thought has crossed my mind to ask her if she will get fired from this SC if someone reviews the tape in the VIP, but let us not spoil a good thing, so Ill never ask.
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8 years ago
I've had dancers refuse to do test LDs and say VP room or fuck off to me. That dancer later sits with what I presume is her regular customer. Some dancers will sit with their regular most of the night rather than work the floor or chat with random customers without knowing if random customers will buy anything or not.
@DaOnion
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Her: Wanna dance?
Me: Not right now, but...
Her: Turns het back to me mid sentence and walks away.
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You just told her you are broke or she is ugly. You need to find different words to say. Perhaps someone else can suggest better phrases. IDK, I'd say "I just came to watch girls tonight" which means you might stage tip but you wont buy LDs. Or "I just got here, Im thinking of getting dances tonight, but I want to see who is working here tonight first". Or "I just got here, Im thinking of getting dances tonight, but I want girls on stage first before I make up my mind", or "I want to first see you dance on stage".
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I decide to give her the benefit of the doubt and start over.
So, I walk up to her say hi and ask her name. She refuses to tell me her name. She says it doesn't matter what her name is. It's a fake name and she's not going to waste her time telling me. She says I've been here a while and haven't gotten a dance yet, so she's not going to waste her time talking to me.
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You told her she is ugly or you are broke.
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Again, she cuts me off midsentence, and says "I'm not going to sit here and talk to you, because some other guy might see us talking, and it might prevent me from selling a dance to someone else" and she walks off.
Bitch! So, at that point I had enough and was ready to ho somewhere else. Anywhere else. To spend my pocket full of money that I was planning to give to her.
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You told her she is ugly or you are broke.
Live and learn.