Kissing clean dancers

Are you saying you finally did some tongue locking with your CF???

If that's what you're saying, congrats man!!!

How do you know she's clean? Maybe the reasons she doesn't kiss is because she knows she has something.

i think *most* dancers see kissing as too intimate to share with someone who is not their significant other. in my opinion, most dancers don't kiss customers.

that being said, i haven't been a regular of any dancer for a long period of time, and one would think if you're constantly giving her cash---she (probably) would let you get away with a little more as opposed to some guy she doesn't see regularly.

-->"How do you know she's clean? Maybe the reasons she doesn't kiss is because she knows she has something. "

I'll put in my usual claim that we shouldn't be emulating StripperWeb, where the girls use "clean" and "dirty" specifically to be cunty to girls who do extras. "Extras" and "non-extras" girls are the terms that have always been used on customer forums, except by guys who have been SWified. There's no reason to think non-extras girls are any "cleaner" than an extras girl who uses precautions. If you guys are going to use terms like "clean" to describe non-extras girls, at least tape your genitals behind you and tuck your hips back, as a further gesture of solidarity with the SW girls.

End of public service announcement

I used "clean" in the "disease free" meaning, which is how I, in retrospect perhaps incorrectly, interpreted the OP's comment.

I don't characterize dancers who provide sex as "dirty" and those who don't as "clean." Sex, even paid sex, is no more dirty than playing sports. Nor do I suffer from the delusion that what I'm doing is wrong, and so I don't project any such attitude onto the ones providing the services I enjoy.

@Subraman

The words dont matter, everyone knows what they mean.

non-extra/clean=only offers minimum service level that wont get her fired/customer goes to manager and demands a refund

extra/dirty=goes above minimum service level at that SC

Haha you guys getting hung up on terminology.

I'm just trying to understand stripper psychology, to which Papi would say is a futile attempt.

I think it's more of a health issue. Nobody wants to catch herpes. Even thought it's so common, the stigma is still there.

Strippers have to compartmentalize in order to retain some sanity. Everything that happens in the club stays in the club and means nothing to them. I don't see why kissing would be the exception.

To understand stripper psychology is to have the mind of a stripper, and in order to have the mind of a stripper, you have the have a female mind... which you don't... so you can't.

The words matter -- everyone knows what they mean, and that they come with judgement. Same way I don't think we should be using SW's term "custies" -- which, also, is meant to be insulting...

Anyway, regarding the subject at hand, it isn't just strippers, it's common in all kinds of sex work -- escorting, bodyrubs, etc -- that kissing is one of the few things that the providers can keep to themselves. I feel like it's at least as much of an intimacy thing as a health thing.

I would kiss them, but I share their concern for diseases.

I kiss no-extras girls who I know pretty well, although really, "know pretty well" is not a guarantee of anything. Many (most?) people have herpes, and most people who have herpes shed asymptomatically, so really, it's a risk. When I was still married, I didn't kiss strippers at all -- I didn't want to risk waking up with a cold sore for the first time in my life, mid-marriage.

I kiss but only on the lips. No tongue and no saliva exchange.

Its impossible to figure out stripper logic in my opinion. I try not to anymore. I'm a little over a year I believe in SCing and made out with a stripper in my first few months. We did OTC twice but nothing special between us. In the end it was just about money. Recently two older strippers I'd say in their late 30s early 40s made out with me on our first VIP. Kissing now is almost as much a surprise as having OTC out of nowhere happen.

As far as kissing I guess they use some discretion. I think most save it for the SO though.

I must be very lovable because strippers kiss me all the time. These girls are clean like all Detroit strippers.

I made out with some dirty sluts in college.

I like kissing strippers but more so when we have a "relationship "

Pecks on the lips r a bit more common but still not the norm, and DFK even much more uncommon.

Another variable is that dancers may have an SO or kids that they kiss so those type of dancers would understandably be much less apt to kissing.

I'll kiss any dancer I get a dance from if she is willing.

I have many time found dancers that would suck my cock my not kiss me because that was too intimate but the other day I heard an even stranger one. A dancer that would fuck but not suck dick because it was too intimate.

I enjoy DFK and do it with any willing dancer as long as I am her first customer of the day. :)

I doubt if anyone will know what the individual dancers motivations are - and I'm guessing the intimacy issue is possibly the most common speculative idea for dancers not kissing. However - each dancer might have a different motivation - as some might think that not kissing is the best way to continue to keep the cash flowing from a solid regular?

From a customer perspective - it's safest to not exchange and fluids.

I just don't take my Prilosec that day. Stomach acid will kill anything.

OMG you're worried about catching herpes from a dancer kissing? Studies say herpes of the mouth is a pretty common thing. Ever get a coldsore out of nowhere on your lips on inside your mouth in the winter? What do you think that is?

I have been balls deep in so many strippers I have lost count. I use protection, and the only thing I have ever left with was a lighter wallet and a lighter load.

Cashman-->"I doubt if anyone will know what the individual dancers motivations are - and I'm guessing the intimacy issue is possibly the most common speculative idea for dancers not kissing."

Agree that every individual is different. But I don't think we have to speculate on the overall reasoning. This isn't a stripper thing, it's a sex industry thing, and there's enough written on it -- much of it by actual sex workers, in their own forums -- that I'd say that in big animal pictures, the reasons are well-understood. I'm actually a little surprised that guys here seem to think this is some unknowable stripper thing, rather than a view shared by all sex workers for common and well-documented reasons... even a web search will get you lots of explanations (again, I lean towards those written by actual sex workers)

^^^ well said! That's a great post. I agree.

^^^ i was agreeing with your post above your post referencing my comment. I think we have very similar ideas and understanding on this topic.

Cool, that's what I thought! I'll also add that I think our puzzlement around the reasons a woman might fuck but not kiss a client, shows our complete inability to empathize with or understand sex workers at all (and to some extent, vice versa). Not that it's our job to do so, we're the clients, but man, that something so obvious and rational to them comes off as "impossible sex worker logic" or whatever to us, definitely shows how little we understand them.

Anyway, my previous CF did LK w/ me in the most adorable way. My CF, who is top-of-the-foodchain hot for dayshift, does not, alas.

I think that's something we as clients will continue to struggle with. I'm sure there are many things that feel very different from the sex worker side as opposed to the client side. It's something we can speculate about - and attempt to see from another side - but something that is only fully understood when working and dealing with the emotions that go along with the work.

I've had one long term fave who loved DFK - and she would cum on me during long sessions in VIP. After that first time she came on me - while DFK - she pulled her phone out - told me where she lived - and made sure my number was stored in her phone. That was the start of a long OTC relationship - and was money very well spent.

I've had other great LD girls who would do everything other than LK or DFK - but who still did extras and who provided excellent service.

I agree this is well documented with sex workers (dancers and escorts). Many, especially those with SOs, will do FS as a provider with a client but won't do kissing or blow jobs, since they see kissing and BJs as too personal.

I can assume she was clean because the last stripper I kissed in VIP was WELL over a year ago. No symptoms to this day. The kiss admittedly wasn't as hot as kissing your girlfriend, but BOY was she eager to please. Just wished she was eager to please me below the belt hahahahaha

"To me, kissing is no different than grinding. It's just something that feels good. No real feelings behind it."

Usually when girls kiss they are lowering their psychological and emotional barriers. There are some who do this with everyone, but they still are making themselves more emotionally vulnerable in the process.

So no, I don't see it as meaning nothing, or something just mechanical.

SJG

SJG, I think you're oversimplifying. Sex workers are people, and people have different views, motivations, emotions, etc. Some can disassociate from kissing just as easily with sex; others can't. For example, here are some of ways to look at it.

1. There are sex workers who can't disassociate kissing from emotions, and they don't kiss.

2. There are sex workers who can disassociate kissing from emotions, and they kiss

3. There are sex workers who can't disassociate kissing from emotions, but they do it anyway to make their service more appealing, at the risk of greater emotional wear-and-tear on themselves

4. There are sex workers who generally can't disassociate kissing from emotions, but if they like and trust a customer enough, will find it tolerable to engage in kissing.

Whether or not kissing means something or not, depends on whether the woman is in the 2nd or 3rd group (in which case, it means nothing) or in the 4th (in which case, she might be letting down some barriers for you). Pretending every woman who kisses is in the 4th group, enables guys to have unhealthy fantasies about "she really likes me".

"Some can disassociate from kissing just as easily with sex"

Yes the above can be true. But I am just speaking from my own experience kissing girls. Usually they don't dissociate once they start kissing.

There was one at the Sunnyvale Hip Hugger, lying down on the bar, moving from guy to guy, giving intense hungry DFKing to anyone who gave her $1. Seemingly she was trying to set up OTC. But this does not mean that she wasn't loving all of it.

She did what she did with any who wanted it, but I would still say that she is making herself emotionally vulnerable, more so than those who don't kiss. This is just my perception of what it was like to kiss her.

With AMP girls, the basic service does not include kissing, even with FS. But some girls do it anyway, some girls do it if approached nicely. My experience with them is that they really open up, and their basic posture afterwards is always, "please take me home with you." The experience is mind blowing for both sides.

In AAMPs the basic service standard, at least when RedBook was running, was unrestricted and unlimited DFKing. My experience with this is that the girls really do open up emotionally.

In AMPs, some girls say, "I don't kiss". But if it clicks between she and I, she is quickly completely reversing herself.

So these are my perceptions. And so my perception is that none of this is supposed to be mechanical.

So I don't talk to them like prostitutes, fembots, or vending machines, and I'm not interested in cybersex suits. I'm interested in real women, and I'm willing to take it a little more slowly and easily with them so that they might open up with me.

These are my own perceptions.

Some girls in San Franciso AMPs do lots of FS and they go the way I call, "Explosive GFE". Some girls with this experience come to south bay. The girl in the Hip Hugger was doing it this way.

What it amounts to is if the guy wants to kiss her, she kisses. She doesn't refuse, hold back, or try to throttle anything. She goes with whatever the guy does and tries to escalate.

Girl in the underground Mexican Bar table dancing circuit, she was nuzzling with me, letting me talk into her ear, seemingly trying to set up OTC. I then positioned her and attempted to escalate to open tongue kissing. Once she saw what I was trying to do, she immediately engaged without holding back. Then she immediately met it with her own escalation, upside down on all fours over me, covered pussy in my face.

Does this mean that she has fallen in love with me? No, of course not. But it does mean that she would like to play with me and engage in OTC civilian quality sex. She will do what I want, plus using every means available to escalate it. This is what I mean by explosive GFE.

The girl is getting money, but this does not mean that she is not having the time of her life, or that she is remaining emotionally closed.

This group of Latina Escorts I called Beloved, because they really do open up and engage with guys. They make the difference in the lives of so many.

And some AMP girls are also exactly the same way.

Not to disclose too much, but there is right now an AMP girl BOA. Where as most don't like reviews and try to scramble it up by using lots of different names, BOA has about 100 reviews and a unique name. She is all GFE all the time. It is just how she has learned to be. She makes lots of money, she is getting a longer career, and she is beloved. It is not just her looks, it is just the way she is with guys. She is not judgmental.

So no cybersex suit or fembot could ever replace such a girl.

SJG

To me kissing is a precursor to sex. I can't have sex without kissing then DFK then sex. It follows that order. When I start kissing a girl it's on the lips then the next step is DFK If she accepts and enjoys DFK I start playing with her tits and pussy and I know we will have sex so I start removing her clothes.

@jestrite50 Amen. Without kissing and DFK, its not a female, just very expensive by "the song" porn where you aren't allowed to jerk off.

That hoe ain't clean. Dat bitch sucked me dry right before she kissed you. Fuck deez hoes!

jestrite50 is The Master!

He knows how to get them off script and opened up, and he keeps it all civilianized.

SJG

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