Kissing clean dancers
We all know that everything that happens in a strip club/show club is an act. Even the smiles are not genuine.
To me, kissing is no different than grinding. It's just something that feels good. No real feelings behind it.
In my experience, kissing clean dancers is not that elusive if you're a good regular and get VIP.
Are clean dancers more concerned about the health aspect, getting in trouble or do they really see kissing as too intimate to share with someone who is not their significant other?
I am a clean guy and VIP offers some privacy yet my CF says not to get used to it or come to expect it all the time.
To me, kissing is no different than grinding. It's just something that feels good. No real feelings behind it.
In my experience, kissing clean dancers is not that elusive if you're a good regular and get VIP.
Are clean dancers more concerned about the health aspect, getting in trouble or do they really see kissing as too intimate to share with someone who is not their significant other?
I am a clean guy and VIP offers some privacy yet my CF says not to get used to it or come to expect it all the time.
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If that's what you're saying, congrats man!!!
that being said, i haven't been a regular of any dancer for a long period of time, and one would think if you're constantly giving her cash---she (probably) would let you get away with a little more as opposed to some guy she doesn't see regularly.
I'll put in my usual claim that we shouldn't be emulating StripperWeb, where the girls use "clean" and "dirty" specifically to be cunty to girls who do extras. "Extras" and "non-extras" girls are the terms that have always been used on customer forums, except by guys who have been SWified. There's no reason to think non-extras girls are any "cleaner" than an extras girl who uses precautions. If you guys are going to use terms like "clean" to describe non-extras girls, at least tape your genitals behind you and tuck your hips back, as a further gesture of solidarity with the SW girls.
End of public service announcement
I don't characterize dancers who provide sex as "dirty" and those who don't as "clean." Sex, even paid sex, is no more dirty than playing sports. Nor do I suffer from the delusion that what I'm doing is wrong, and so I don't project any such attitude onto the ones providing the services I enjoy.
The words dont matter, everyone knows what they mean.
non-extra/clean=only offers minimum service level that wont get her fired/customer goes to manager and demands a refund
extra/dirty=goes above minimum service level at that SC
I'm just trying to understand stripper psychology, to which Papi would say is a futile attempt.
I think it's more of a health issue. Nobody wants to catch herpes. Even thought it's so common, the stigma is still there.
Strippers have to compartmentalize in order to retain some sanity. Everything that happens in the club stays in the club and means nothing to them. I don't see why kissing would be the exception.
As far as kissing I guess they use some discretion. I think most save it for the SO though.
I like kissing strippers but more so when we have a "relationship "
Another variable is that dancers may have an SO or kids that they kiss so those type of dancers would understandably be much less apt to kissing.
I enjoy DFK and do it with any willing dancer as long as I am her first customer of the day. :)
From a customer perspective - it's safest to not exchange and fluids.
I have been balls deep in so many strippers I have lost count. I use protection, and the only thing I have ever left with was a lighter wallet and a lighter load.
Agree that every individual is different. But I don't think we have to speculate on the overall reasoning. This isn't a stripper thing, it's a sex industry thing, and there's enough written on it -- much of it by actual sex workers, in their own forums -- that I'd say that in big animal pictures, the reasons are well-understood. I'm actually a little surprised that guys here seem to think this is some unknowable stripper thing, rather than a view shared by all sex workers for common and well-documented reasons... even a web search will get you lots of explanations (again, I lean towards those written by actual sex workers)
Anyway, my previous CF did LK w/ me in the most adorable way. My CF, who is top-of-the-foodchain hot for dayshift, does not, alas.
I've had one long term fave who loved DFK - and she would cum on me during long sessions in VIP. After that first time she came on me - while DFK - she pulled her phone out - told me where she lived - and made sure my number was stored in her phone. That was the start of a long OTC relationship - and was money very well spent.
I've had other great LD girls who would do everything other than LK or DFK - but who still did extras and who provided excellent service.
Usually when girls kiss they are lowering their psychological and emotional barriers. There are some who do this with everyone, but they still are making themselves more emotionally vulnerable in the process.
So no, I don't see it as meaning nothing, or something just mechanical.
SJG
1. There are sex workers who can't disassociate kissing from emotions, and they don't kiss.
2. There are sex workers who can disassociate kissing from emotions, and they kiss
3. There are sex workers who can't disassociate kissing from emotions, but they do it anyway to make their service more appealing, at the risk of greater emotional wear-and-tear on themselves
4. There are sex workers who generally can't disassociate kissing from emotions, but if they like and trust a customer enough, will find it tolerable to engage in kissing.
Whether or not kissing means something or not, depends on whether the woman is in the 2nd or 3rd group (in which case, it means nothing) or in the 4th (in which case, she might be letting down some barriers for you). Pretending every woman who kisses is in the 4th group, enables guys to have unhealthy fantasies about "she really likes me".
Yes the above can be true. But I am just speaking from my own experience kissing girls. Usually they don't dissociate once they start kissing.
There was one at the Sunnyvale Hip Hugger, lying down on the bar, moving from guy to guy, giving intense hungry DFKing to anyone who gave her $1. Seemingly she was trying to set up OTC. But this does not mean that she wasn't loving all of it.
She did what she did with any who wanted it, but I would still say that she is making herself emotionally vulnerable, more so than those who don't kiss. This is just my perception of what it was like to kiss her.
With AMP girls, the basic service does not include kissing, even with FS. But some girls do it anyway, some girls do it if approached nicely. My experience with them is that they really open up, and their basic posture afterwards is always, "please take me home with you." The experience is mind blowing for both sides.
In AAMPs the basic service standard, at least when RedBook was running, was unrestricted and unlimited DFKing. My experience with this is that the girls really do open up emotionally.
In AMPs, some girls say, "I don't kiss". But if it clicks between she and I, she is quickly completely reversing herself.
So these are my perceptions. And so my perception is that none of this is supposed to be mechanical.
So I don't talk to them like prostitutes, fembots, or vending machines, and I'm not interested in cybersex suits. I'm interested in real women, and I'm willing to take it a little more slowly and easily with them so that they might open up with me.
These are my own perceptions.
Some girls in San Franciso AMPs do lots of FS and they go the way I call, "Explosive GFE". Some girls with this experience come to south bay. The girl in the Hip Hugger was doing it this way.
What it amounts to is if the guy wants to kiss her, she kisses. She doesn't refuse, hold back, or try to throttle anything. She goes with whatever the guy does and tries to escalate.
Girl in the underground Mexican Bar table dancing circuit, she was nuzzling with me, letting me talk into her ear, seemingly trying to set up OTC. I then positioned her and attempted to escalate to open tongue kissing. Once she saw what I was trying to do, she immediately engaged without holding back. Then she immediately met it with her own escalation, upside down on all fours over me, covered pussy in my face.
Does this mean that she has fallen in love with me? No, of course not. But it does mean that she would like to play with me and engage in OTC civilian quality sex. She will do what I want, plus using every means available to escalate it. This is what I mean by explosive GFE.
The girl is getting money, but this does not mean that she is not having the time of her life, or that she is remaining emotionally closed.
This group of Latina Escorts I called Beloved, because they really do open up and engage with guys. They make the difference in the lives of so many.
And some AMP girls are also exactly the same way.
Not to disclose too much, but there is right now an AMP girl BOA. Where as most don't like reviews and try to scramble it up by using lots of different names, BOA has about 100 reviews and a unique name. She is all GFE all the time. It is just how she has learned to be. She makes lots of money, she is getting a longer career, and she is beloved. It is not just her looks, it is just the way she is with guys. She is not judgmental.
So no cybersex suit or fembot could ever replace such a girl.
SJG
He knows how to get them off script and opened up, and he keeps it all civilianized.
SJG
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