Comments by docsavage (page 40)

Most of the strip clubs I've been in tend to be carbon copies of each other with very little variation in them. Here in Indianapolis the only variations are a few black clubs and a few clubs that try to be "upscale". "Upscale" often ends up meaning they charge higher prices without providing a better product so that ends up not working. One local club, Brad's, does play classic rock on day shift and has a good number of older customers coming in. I've had some strippers there on the Brad's day shift tell me they do better with old guys. Some girls have trouble selling lap dances to young guys in groups. The girls I've known who do the best with old guys are often the more friendly type. A lot of old guys, like myself, worry that the strippers would rather be with young guys their own age and don't want us old guys there. Them being friendly to us signals to us they want us to come in. Girls with children to support and girls who are working their way through college also tend to do better with old guys because they are a little more serious about making money and therefore are more willing to spend time with older customers. Also, girls with children or pursuing an education often seem a little more mature than the "let's party!" type of stripper so older more mature men feel more comfortable with them.

I think it is a false idea to think the acquittal was done to protect the privileged. The Democrats have become the party of the privileged. A recent Winnipiac poll found a +1% approval rating for Biden's handling of the economy among white college graduates but -54% among working class voters. The Democrats inflationary economic policy boosts the stock market, which helps the wealthiest people who own stocks, while the rising prices resulting from that hurts working class people barely getting by. The Democrats open border immigration policy depresses working class wages while providing cheap labor for the rich. The Democrats Covid policy benefits big corporations by providing them huge profits from mandated vaccines. The Democrats plan to forgive student loans benefits college graduates while not helping someone like the working class waitress or truck driver. The Democrats crime policy wants to eliminate the possibility of average people defending themselves from criminals while rich people who can afford private security guards don't have to worry. So, of course, the Democrats don't care if those riots harmed small business owners who had their businesses looted or destroyed and don't care about anyone, like Kyle Rittenhouse, who wanted to take part in trying to stop that.

Harem House had the third highest number of reviews here in Indianapolis four years ago. It has been replaced in third place by Club Rio and dropped to number four but it is probably now below PT's, The Pony and Red Garter also. The long time owner died and someone who didn't know anything about running a strip club stepped in to replace him. Strippers there who came into contact with him told me was unfriendly acting towards them. The clubs compete with each other for the best girls so club owners and managers need to treat their best girls good. Harem House had five of their best girls go to Brad's, one to Dancers and one to the Pony and it really hurt Harem House to lose so many of their top girls. The club had been going through a slow decline because the surrounding area was but the club decline was hastened by the way it was run.

Eighty percent of Covid deaths so far have been people over sixty. This high risk group should be strongly encouraged to get vaccinated. For them, the risk of the disease exceeds the risk of any side effects from the vaccines. The OSHA employer mandate was not a good way to get to this goal of vaccinating the high risk elderly since most of this age group are retired and out of the workforce. We have probably had a lot of extra deaths since the beginning of this epidemic because we have not focused on protection of the most at risk groups. The general lockdowns had limited effectiveness and all the money the government printed up and passed out to try to counteract the negative effects of them is now leading to high inflation. We never had nationwide lockdowns in the past even for really dangerous epidemics like smallpox. The lockdowns, mandatory mask wearing and vaccine requirements haven't stopped the disease. California, which has had an interventionist approach, currently has four times as many cases as Florida, which has been less restrictive. So we should have focused on the higher risk elderly from the beginning, starting with Cuomo not putting infected patients in nursing homes. We should have developed better early treatment options for them instead of waiting until they were so sick they had to go in a hospital. By then it is often too late to save them. We should especially have focused on nursing homes, testing the patients and staff regularly and also any visitors. Elderly people living on their own could have had government subsidized food delivery, taxi service so they didn't have to use mass transportation and so on. That would have been cheaper and more effective than mass lockdowns. Our government officials and mass media encouraged a nationwide mass hysteria about a disease that 99.7% of people survive and promoted ineffective methods of reducing deaths.

MasterT71, you are right. Babes East is called Jiggles now. Harem House is Jaguars. The third club on Pendleton Pike is still PT's. None of the three are doing very well. I was in Jaguars last night around eleven. There were no dancers and no customers in the whole club. I've seen that on days or early evenings in the past but never late at night that I can remember. Late nights are usually the busiest time for clubs so there has always been at least a few people there late at night. As for PT's, they had lost a lot of white middle class customers so they brought in a manager who hired more white girls and switched to a rock music format. That didn't work. The surrounding area has changed too much and a lot of those customers are gone for good. It just drove off black customers. The last time I was there they had dropped the rock format and were playing more black music. In addition to Indianapolis clubs closing and declining customers overall, day shifts seem to have been hit especially hard recently. Day time attendance has been down since the Covid lockdowns ended. It didn't return to where it was before. Clubs are either opening later or open early but have no girls or customers. Club Rio and Brad's still seem to have girls and normal day shift hours.

Concerning black stripper quotas in clubs, in some big cities the majority of the girls applying for stripper jobs are black but a big potential source of club income is still white suburbanites. If the clubs hired the same percentage of black girls as applied, they would end up lacking in diversity. Different guys like different types of girls so club owners want to have some of each type of girl. The problem in many cases for white suburbanite customers isn't so much black girls in general but the more ghetto types of black girls. This is not just a problem for these customers. I've had a couple of my favorite black stripper regulars tell me they were quitting because their club was "getting too ghetto". So the more ghetto acting black girls are driving the other ones out of the clubs. In addition to driving out the less ghetto acting black girls, The more ghetto acting ores attract more of the young gangster wannabe thug types of male customer. They feel more comfortable with those types of guys and socialize with them when they come in, which encourages them to come in. These guys cause more trouble in the club so club managers don't want to hire strippers who act as a magnet drawing these guys into the club.

"Suppose that, instead of a vaccine mandate, you had to pay a $10,000 fine if you went to the hospital with rona, and you didn't have a medical reason for not being vaccinated? Would the anti-vaxxers be down with that?" I would be down with that on the condition that I have easy access to any medical treatment I want. This means Ivermectin, HCQ, monoclonal antibodies or anything else. If I'm blocked from early treatment options and I get sick and end up in the hospital then I don't think that is my fault. It's the fault of the medical monopoly we have in this country which prevents freedom of choice in the area of medical treatments.

Racist feelings often come from personal experiences. I grew up in a mostly white small town and never felt racist towards blacks. Then later in my twenties I lived in a big city. I didn't have much money and had to live in a bad part of town around a lot of ghetto blacks. I had a lot of bad experiences involving them and my racist feelings toward blacks increased. When I got older I started making more money and moved to a middle class neighborhood. Now most blacks I come in contact with are middle class blacks. I get along with them fine and my racist feelings towards blacks have decreased. I think a lot of my past racism was really more classism. I like people who have middle class values. I don't like ghetto blacks so it might appear sometimes I'm racist. I don't really like the white trash types of whites either, though.

Like this reviewer, I've noticed on recent visits that the average dancer quality is higher than I remember it being in the past. Being downtown, it has more visiting tourist customers than many other local clubs and the number of those have remained about the same over the years. There has also been some gentrification in recent years around the downtown area. The rest of Indianapolis, though, has undergone a slow decline. Like many large cities, Indianapolis has slowly become more crime ridden and the city government has slowly become more corrupt and inefficient at delivering public services. That has caused a loss of population to the outer suburbs. No new strip clubs have opened here in over twenty years. Several of the smaller strip clubs here have completely closed and the remaining ones have had a decline in customers, especially the high spending type. Since the Red Garter hasn't had as big of a decline in those types of customers and there are fewer clubs overall competing for the top girls, it has had an improvement in dancer quality. As a local, I have it in my regular rotation of clubs to visit.

It's been my observation that the list above is closer to what girls in a regulars heavy club follow than the list provided by the dancer in the previous thread. Those rules might work in an environment where little of your income comes from repeat customers. I've known a couple of dancers who tried working in Vegas but weren't successful because the habits they had developed from years of working here in Indianapolis worked against them there. You can't teach an old stripper new tricks and they couldn't adapt to their new environment. Most of my regulars have had long term careers because what worked with me worked with other customers too. Here are some things I would list as things I look for in picking girls. 1- You should think more in terms of treating a customer in a way to make him want to come back than extracting the maximum amount of money from him on the first visit. 2- Look around the club. Do you see a lot of empty tables? If so, all those tables had guys sitting at them at one time but they never came back after they had a bad experience. That's why all those tables are empty now. If you want a full club, learn not to be like the girls who drove all those customers off. 2- High pressure tactics are a turn off. Don't spend the whole first lap dance you do with me trying to talk me into doing a private room with you. I paid for the dance and want to enjoy it. If I can't then I'm going to cut you off after one dance and avoid you on my return trips. 3- When you start at a club, learn what is standard for your club. If every girl in the club allows breast touching, then don't angrily yell at a guy if he touches your breast during a lap dance. Be polite when informing him your rules are different. 4- Let the customer know up front about what your rules are if they differ from most of the other girls. 5- Be honest. Don't say lap dances are $30 in the club when they are $20. Except in tourist cities, most customers know what the price is and won't like you lying. Also, don't miscount dances. 6- Work with the other girls. If a customer wants to spend time with another girl don't block him. If you sit down with a customer and he obviously isn't interested in you get up and give another girl a chance with him. The other girls should be doing the same thing. You will have more customers coming in if they can get with the girls they want. 7- Be a little bit of a friend with the customers. Some of them come into buy lap dances but also come in to see the girls selling them the lap dances. Be one of the girls they want to come in to see. 8- You are not his girlfriend. Don't act annoyed if he hasn't been around for awhile and then comes in to see you. Even the most ardent regulars will want some variety and will take breaks from seeing you. Be friendly when he shows up. 9- Ask, don't tell. Ask him to buy you a drink instead of ordering one and then telling him to pay for it. Ask him if he wants company before sitting down. Ask for a tip, don't tell him to give you another twenty dollars because you need the money. You would think girls would never order customers to give them tips but it has happened to me more than once. 10- Pay attention to potential problems with your clothing. Be aware your fishnet stockings might catch on a customer's shirt button or swinging around your sharp toed boots up on stage might hit him in the face. Also, don't have clothes that take half of the lap dance to get off before you get on his lap. 11- Don't get really drunk or high on drugs in the club. A few guys looking for extras will like a drunk girl they can take advantage of but most guys shy away from that. They want a girl who is mentally focused enough to hold a conversation and able to get through a lap dance without passing out.

These types of lists display a basic ignorance of economics. Prices are ultimately set by supply and demand so there is no "just" price for a lap dance, total amount spent in the club, size of tip and so on. Customers have a right to spend what they want and if the girls don't think that is enough they have a right to ignore them. There have been plenty of times I offered to buy a couple of lap dances from a girl and she rejected me for someone else offering to spend more money on her. I accept that and don't get angry. I may be wrong because there are no facial expressions or vocal tones I can observe but, just as written, the above list comes across as being angry and demanding. I noticed this lack of understanding of supply and demand with a girl I did lap dances with last night. I went to a club nearby. I started doing a lap dance with a girl. When I touched her breast she told me there was a no touch rule in the club and if I wanted to touch her I had to give her $30 instead of the $20 which was the price set by the club. I told her what she was saying wasn't true. I said I had been to this club a hundred times, touching was always allowed and I wasn't going to pay her more than what I knew all the other girls there would accept. She looked annoyed that she was caught lying and then switched to trying to gain my sympathy by saying she was trying to charge me more because she had been there three hours and hadn't sold a single lap dance. I was somewhat sympathetic but those girls need to understand that if there is little demand for your lap dances and you have trouble selling any at the current price, then the solution is not to increase the price. Increasing the price will just further decrease demand.

Here in Indianapolis lap dance prices have only gone up about five dollars in most clubs. This is not a tourist city and the local market won't support high prices. PT's here tried to let the girls set their own prices a few years back. A lot of them started charging forty or fifty dollars per lap dance and customers stopped coming in until the club changed its policy to a twenty five dollar set price for each lap dance. Fifty dollars for a lap dance is too much here. I think about going less but it has more to do with the decline of the quality of the girls in the local clubs rather than price increases.

Brian Jones. The best period for the Rolling Stones was when he was in the band. He added a lot because he was a multi-instrumentalist who could pick up and play almost any instrument. You can hear unusual instruments like marimba, sitar, dulcimer, mellotron, harmonica, recorder, and saxophone on the Stones songs in this period and they were all played by Jones.

Paul Volcker raised the interest rates to twenty percent in the seventies to subdue inflation then but something like that is less likely now. The federal debt is so large now that if interest rates were raised the government would not be able to afford to pay the interest on that debt without major spending cutbacks in other areas. Politicians and the voters and campaign contributors who support them won't want that done. In addition to not wanting to cut back spending, politicians also want to be able to continue to print up money to give to their supporters. So the inflationary policies won't end. This will be disastrous in the long run but the political leaders we have now are not much better than political leaders in third world countries with recent hyperinflation like Zimbabwe or Venezuela so it won't stop. The best thing to do may be, as twentyfive above says, is have fun. You should do sensible things like not keep a lot of cash, which will rapidly decrease in value, but not spend a lot of time worrying about something you have no control over. As far as strip clubs go, the inflation will cause an upward pressure on prices. At the same time, as the economic situation deteriorates there will be fewer guys with good paying jobs and more unemployed ones so demand for strip clubs may drop. The combination of rising prices and decreasing demand are likely to hurt strip clubs. I've talked to some long time strippers over the years. They have told me strip clubs never really fully recovered from the 2008 crash. The era right before that may have been the peak of demand for strip clubs, with a long slow decline from there on out.

I've lived in Indianapolis my whole life. I like having long term relationships with people. I've been able to regularly see my parents, sister and nieces and high school and college friends by staying here. I've even been able to see people again I knew in my younger days who left and came back. For example, some of them moved to California. They recently came back to Indiana because they were tired of the high prices, high taxes, rolling blackouts, forest fires, crowded highways, hordes of homeless people, poop on the sidewalks and so on. I've also worked at the same place for 40 years and have known a lot of people there for a long time. I've even known some strippers in the local clubs for a long time, like 7 or 8 years.

@herbtcat, things like personality, sense of humor and so on certainly help in gaining the interest of much younger strippers if you are on old guy but all that is secondary. It's primarily about the money. Once the situation changes and I am no longer a potential source of income their interest in me dries up. I've had a number of strippers as regulars over the years who have left the stripping profession. They liked me, at least more than a lot of the other customers, and the few times I've run into one after she left stripping she has been friendly and cordial to me. Not a single one, though, has ever shown much interest in seeing me once their stripper days are over. The few exceptions were situations where they thought I might be a potential sugar daddy. Once they decided that wasn't going to happen, any further interest in me evaporated. A 65 year old guy might have an entertaining personality but there are plenty of young guys who do too. Why would some young girl want to have a sexual relationship with some guy old enough to be her grandpa if there is no money involved and there are plenty of guys around her own age interested in her? I'm not saying it couldn't happen but it hasn't happened to me, even though women generally like me, in the 12 years I've gone to strip clubs. I wouldn't even waste time looking for such a girl.

I'm past retirement age. When you are this old I think you just need to accept that you have to spend a lot of money on these girls to get them to spend time with you and even then there is some reluctance on their part. They really would rather be with younger guys. I could have received more friendliness from the strippers if I had gone to clubs when I was younger but I spent those years with my girlfriends and I really don't regret it. In addition to these girls not really wanting to be with old guys that much, I also think many of the girls in these clubs don't really think in terms of trying to maximize their income. Some of them think of strip clubs as a place to do what they would normally do anyway, drink and party, while picking up a little extra money on the side. Spending a lot of money on a girl who doesn't care that much about money is going to lead to disappointment on my part because she is not going to put out much effort to keep me spending it. So I need to be selective and look for the girls who are either serious about making money or girls who just naturally happen to be the really friendly type. Some of my best experiences have been with a regular who wasn't quite certain I was coming back. If you go see a girl for a long time there will inevitably be a time you go see her when she is in a bad mood and is rude and unfriendly to you. Strippers often regret this later after the guy leaves and start to worry he won't come back. I had one regular who was unfriendly to me while she was in a bad mood one time. The next time I came into the club she immediately came over and sat on my lap, something she had never done before. My all time favorite was in a bad mood one time and took it out on me. When I went back the next week she was much more friendly than she had ever been to me and when I left I was surprised when she suddenly hugged me and said she loved me.

Girls can often change on what kind of customers they like. I'm an old guy and often have new girls in clubs ignore me. I'll ask them for lap dances while they are on stage. As soon as they get off stage they head straight for the best looking guy in the club and sit down on his lap. If I go back to the same club a couple months later and ask for lap dances from the same girl I'm often more successful. Some good looking guys go to clubs because they know the inexperienced strippers will hang out with them. After awhile, these girls realize they aren't making that much money from these guys and if they want to pay their bills they need to focus on other guys. Those often happen to be the guys women usually ignore.

I had a regular once who told me she looked at guys watches. According to her, if the guy was wearing an expensive watch then he was more likely to spend money. It had never occurred to me that strippers might be looking at watches but since how much money they make depends on how good they are at picking out the right guys to pay attention to they probably learn to observe all sorts of things about the customers.

A lot of the members who approve or reject reviews seem to really want detailed price information. I don't really care about something like whether beers are four dollars or eight dollars. Either way I can afford that. I also don't care that much about the layout of the club. If someone wants to put it in their reviews that's fine but I don't miss it that much if it's not there. What I care about is what the girls look like, how friendly they are, and what are the best times of day and best days of the week to go there. The best time, day and place to actually have a good chance to find a pretty stripper to do lap dances with me is the most pertinent piece of information to me.

>I've seen studies that say women only consider 20% of men attractive while men find 80% of women attractive. If that's true, and I've seen those studies too, then it is the women who primarily are the ones with unrealistic expectations and inflated notions of their own attractiveness. If you have a hundred men and a hundred women but the women think only twenty of the men are good enough for them many of them are going to be disappointed if they want a monogamous marriage because there aren't enough men they think are attractive to go around. The math just doesn't add up. So, if this is the situation, you can't really say the men who aren't married are mostly not sane/stable/capable enough to be married. Some of them are sane/stable/capable enough to be married but the women are wasting time trying to get men as husbands they have no chance with.

The number of men who can't get married is not as high as is commonly believed. It's not a situation where most women are hot 20 year olds but most men are fat bald middle aged guys. There are a lot of unattractive women walking around. The percentage of the female population that is unattractive is equal to the percentage of the male population that is unattractive. The unattractive men and unattractive women could marry each other but the problem in many cases is they want someone out of their league and waste time chasing after members of the opposite sex they have no chance with. The unattractive men never get married and are portrayed as losers who can't get a girl. The unattractive women never get married and end up as middle aged cat ladies who often use the government welfare state as a substitute for a male economic provider but usually aren't similarly portrayed as losers.

The stealing is not an unintended consequence of liberal policies in Democrat run cities but in many cases is actually planned. By driving out middle class residents who might vote Republican, these Democrat politicians guarantee that they will maintain future control of the city. In political science this even has a name, the "Curley Effect". James Curley was a early twentieth century Boston mayor who drove all the wealthier Yankees out of Boston with his policies, leaving the poorer Irish in permanent control of the city. This middle class exodus has an effect on a lot of urban strip clubs. When middle class guys move out to suburbs they are less likely to go to inner city strip clubs they have to make a long drive to get to. As they decrease as a percentage of strip club customers, the type of strippers who appeal to them decrease as a percentage of the strippers in the clubs because they have more trouble making money. This has a snowball effect as middle class guys can't find girls they like when they do go and then further decrease their visits because of that. I started going to Indianapolis clubs 12 years ago. I lived on a street with 3 strip clubs and I don't think I would have developed the habit without being so close to them. I moved further out of the city to get away from increasing crime and now go to Indianapolis clubs only about half as much as I used to because they are worse now and it's a longer drive to get to them. I may even have to move further out of the city because where I live now is starting to have increasing crime. I just had a catalytic converter stolen off my car and it cost me $1500 to replace it. I told my next door neighbor that and he told me he just had his motorcycle stolen.

I live in Indiana. At one time Indiana had more cafeterias than any other state in the country. Most of them are gone now. Someone recently wrote a book which had a nostalgic look back at them called "Tray Chic". One cafeteria chain called MCL still exists here. Young people call the food there "old people food" and mostly don't go there. It's pretty much the type of food everyone here in Indiana ate 50 years ago. The old people going to it are just eating the same food they ate back when they were young.

Tdn77, every club I listed in my top five I've been to in the last three months. I go out to a strip club almost every week and rotate around to different clubs. I'm not a three or four times a year visitor to strip clubs. I can afford to make frequent trips because I usually just buy two or three lap dances on each trip. It's the spending of large amounts of money on extras or buying private rooms where you hope to get extras that turns a hobby like this into something expensive. It's always nice to just get out of the house and go someplace. That's especially true for me because I telework from home. You feel more of a need to leave home sometimes and get a change of scenery when your home is also your workplace.