The Makeup of a PL
shailynn
They never tell you what you need to know.
We all have our reasons for being a PL, but who are the PLs?
I’d be willing to bet almost all of us fall into one of these categories:
Married PL. you are married, and regardless of the status of your marriage relationship or the looks of your wife (or goat in SJGs case) or the amount of sex you receive at home, it’s not enough. Strip clubbing is the best alternative especially for guys that need to be covert. Most of the guys in this category have a good amount of discretionary income to pull the strip club habit and a wife.
Divorced PL. divorced, probably never getting married again, and your theory on strip clubbing and strippers is “I’m not paying them for services, I’m paying them to go away when I am finished.” You enjoy your independence. These PLs also have a decent amount of discretionary income because they don’t have a wife.
Never Married PL. most of the guys in the category claim they simply never want to get married. In reality most of them are not sane/stable/capable enough for marriage. Some guys will be offended by this accusation but let’s face it, if you were even remotely considered “a catch” for any woman, you’d be locked down by now. These are the guys most likely to be stripper stalkers and the guys that annoy the shit out of strippers the most.
All guys in all categories above will admire going to clubs to be with a woman that would be way out of their league in real life, whether it be for looks or age difference. After all, all of us can’t be as handsome a Juice.
Disclaimer 1: Lopaw fits in here somewhere, just not sure where.
I’d be willing to bet almost all of us fall into one of these categories:
Married PL. you are married, and regardless of the status of your marriage relationship or the looks of your wife (or goat in SJGs case) or the amount of sex you receive at home, it’s not enough. Strip clubbing is the best alternative especially for guys that need to be covert. Most of the guys in this category have a good amount of discretionary income to pull the strip club habit and a wife.
Divorced PL. divorced, probably never getting married again, and your theory on strip clubbing and strippers is “I’m not paying them for services, I’m paying them to go away when I am finished.” You enjoy your independence. These PLs also have a decent amount of discretionary income because they don’t have a wife.
Never Married PL. most of the guys in the category claim they simply never want to get married. In reality most of them are not sane/stable/capable enough for marriage. Some guys will be offended by this accusation but let’s face it, if you were even remotely considered “a catch” for any woman, you’d be locked down by now. These are the guys most likely to be stripper stalkers and the guys that annoy the shit out of strippers the most.
All guys in all categories above will admire going to clubs to be with a woman that would be way out of their league in real life, whether it be for looks or age difference. After all, all of us can’t be as handsome a Juice.
Disclaimer 1: Lopaw fits in here somewhere, just not sure where.
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“”” All guys in all categories above will ADMIT “””
Fucking Siri messing up my flow again.
Jes sayin
One quibble - I’ve never had the desire to take a date/girlfriend/wife to a strip club. Not bad mouthing it, just doesn’t appeal to me. When I go mongering it’s exclusively “me” time - during which I usually follow mostly selfish impulses.
I’m married, don’t have time for strippers OTC are rather too much ITC either, so I use it as a form of therapy. I could do other things like go to a doctor/shrink, but for less than $100 my testosterone shoots up a notch after an hour visit and I can relax with a drink in my hand whenever the time is convenient; no scheduling for an appointment just a walk in basis. The added bonus is almost always ends in LDK and both parties are happy with the outcome. Don’t want any fake conversation bullshit trying to impress any stripper or her telling me about her life, just cum and go with smal talk. I believe that 15-25% of PLs fall into my category, but I’m not at the club for a social life, it’s there to meet my needs for a brief amount of time. I got a life and family to focus on, and I expect others ITC to do the same.
1. When married guys fuck around on the side, it often has nothing to do with the sex at home, at least not in the early years. Some guys just crave variety. I know that was the case for me.
2. Divorced guys often have LESS money, not more, especially when the divorce is recent. Supporting two households is more expensive than one.
I can't help but agree regarding the "never married" category. These are the guys most likely to be lonely and confuse the faux affections of a stripper for something genuine. Some of the girls that I deal with actively avoid these guys.
See, Muddy is a perfect example of group 3 - never married. He only has white suits which turns off marriage suitors when he’s wearing white out of season.
I agree that creeps/stalkers most likely fall in Category #3 (with even some in Category #2), but don't stereotype with such a broad brush.
As far as getting attached there have been a couple times I’m not gonna lie. But just trust me when I say they were some of the hottest women on planet earth. But I was greener then too. Now it’s more the opposite I’m almost concerned with how callous and unattached I am to people I’m becoming tbth. I don’t even think I could maintain a relationship at this point. It’s always on to the next one, on to the next one etc.
Lol! Same here
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Most of my regulars are in a divorced/never married boat. Idk if it’s Denver that is the reason for that or something else.
I personally don’t get some of these criticisms. Keeping regulars around has its pros and cons (more pros than cons since the pandemic in my view) but their marital status isn’t something I care much about.
Asking for a friend...or something.
For me it was a death trap of a marriage, so destructive that it was very hard for me to terminate it and then to build back.
SJG
But as a customer I go to either sit at the bar have a few drinks and people watch. Of I like drinking and partying with strippers.
Add providing her drugs and you are definitely in P4P GFE territory, icee.
But keep telling yourself you don't P4P so you can sleep at night. 🤭🤡
I suggest there could be a lobbying effort to require health insurance companies to include a "strip club benefits" rider in their plans for men. It would be less costly for the insurance company to cover the cost of some lap dances or VIPs each year than pay a doctor / shrink. It would be a win-win experience for all.
@meat: "Strip Club PUA" is hilarious! That term should get added to the glossary. How do we do that?
I'm unmarried, but I much, much more closely align to your description of divorced. I know several divorced guys who fit more into the never married description. Many of them weren't capable of marriage but tried anyway, when it failed they turned to strippers as a replacement for the affection that's now missing for their lives. I can't imagine they don't drive strippers nuts, hell I've stopped hanging out with some of them as they were too emotionally needy with me. As Rick pointed out, many of them while successful have less disposable income since much is tied up in alimony and child support. Even the married guys, again as Rick said, the guys I know who are married but hit up strip clubs do so for the variety. If they simply wanted "more" a girlfriend or mistress would likely be a more effective option. Some of them also fit into your never married description, incapable of marriage yet still married. Often "for the kids" but still with a need for affection that goes unfilled at home. I'd say its a 50/50 split on my married friends aligning to your description the Divorced or Never Married categories. I don't know any who'd fit cleanly in your description.
Sure, there's some married dudes who simply can't get enough and hit up clubs for more. And there's some divorced guys who line up with your description too. For sure, there is abso-fucking-lutely some never married dudes who fit the bill. But overall I don't think you'll bat .500 with those generalizations.
“I'm not sure I agree with you a hundred percent on your police work there, Lou."
I thought about that quote when reading your Bullet Point #3. I’ve never been married and I’m the first to admit I’m undoubtedly a first class PL, but not for the reasons you say. When I was young I was incredibly shy and fat. Not a good combination for dating.
It seems girls will date ugly thin guys but rarely ugly fat guys. And the older I got I just enjoyed being single. I liked being independent. I could be wrong but I don’t think I fit that creepy, stalker stereotype. And I don’t think I’m that unique. Or maybe I am.
Obviously it's missing the dudes who don't buy dances. The hard hat lunch guys and the happy hour/weekend night Bros.
I'm curious how common Ethical Non Monogamous guys are. Probably varies a lot by region but I'm lumping in any guy in a relationship whose partner tolerates or enjoys clubbing with him. I'm guessing it's a small slice, but I do know there are older women who give up on sex but allow their guys to have a hobby.
At first, SCs were a way to safely talk and flirt with women. I never had white knight fantasies but definitely thought about a couple more than was healthy.
I came into my own, socially, but still liked (and still like) the subversive, socially-frowned-upon aspects of strip clubbing.
Now, I both actively date and strip club. It means I have high standards for dating. I don't date women I'm not 100% into just for sex when I know I can get it elsewhere without commitment.
As for me, I’ve been married for over 20 years, got married right out of college, although I do not have any kids. After all the shit my marriage has been through, I don’t think I’ll ever be divorced although there are time when I envy you divorced/never married guys.
The unattractive men and unattractive women could marry each other but the problem in many cases is they want someone out of their league and waste time chasing after members of the opposite sex they have no chance with. The unattractive men never get married and are portrayed as losers who can't get a girl. The unattractive women never get married and end up as middle aged cat ladies who often use the government welfare state as a substitute for a male economic provider but usually aren't similarly portrayed as losers.
I will reach the Geriatric Trick category (mentioned by JackSlash) in the upcoming decade. I don’t mind that category either, it’s the truth.
I am less interested in hotties - and more interested in finding the filthiest girl in the club. It’s always a treat to find a girl who is honest and upfront about her enjoyment of being a very dirty girl (or woman). That is part of why I am attracted to strip clubs - as sluttiness is less discouraged.
I don't think so. I've seen studies that say women only consider 20% of men attractive while men find 80% of women attractive.
@yahtzee74
Remember beauty is in the eyes of the beholder or “beer holder”, “vape holder”, “crack pipe holder”, etc etc etc
From a Seinfeld episode
JERRY: Elaine, what percentage of people would you say are good looking?
ELAINE: Twenty-five percent.
JERRY: Twenty-five percent, you say? No way! It's like 4 to 6 percent. It's a twenty to one shot.
ELAINE: You're way off.
JERRY: Way off? Have you been to the motor vehicle bureau? It's like a leper colony down there.
ELAINE: So what you are saying is that 90 to 95 percent of the population is undateable?
JERRY: UNDATEABLE!
ELAINE: Then how are all these people getting together?
JERRY: Alcohol.
:D
You wrote and I quote:
“Thing is I do pick strippers up without p4p and have had some ask me to manage them.”
Pics and Vids of the strippers “asking you to manage them” or it didn’t happen.
You also wrote:
“I like drinking and partying with strippers.”
Pics and Vids or it didn’t happen.
:D
If 20% of men are attractive to women - that seems very high. Men are generally filthy creatures. We are hairy, smelly, prone to bodily noises. When we get cleaned up, we are still filthier than most women are on bad days.
On the other end, men can find many women attractive - if the woman will have sex with them. So, 80% is still a high number, but that probably adds women who are true beauties and women who guys think would look good if they were accessible - and it likely adds in women who aren’t attractive but who might not be choosy at all (ie women who guys think they could fuck).
When I was in college, I had a reputation for hooking up with girls who were complete slobs. I had sisters and they were brutally honest with me. I attempted to justify my actions by finding certain qualities in the girls I hooked up with - but my decisions were honestly cringe worthy. So, my choices of strippers don’t come as a shock to me…
If that's true, and I've seen those studies too, then it is the women who primarily are the ones with unrealistic expectations and inflated notions of their own attractiveness. If you have a hundred men and a hundred women but the women think only twenty of the men are good enough for them many of them are going to be disappointed if they want a monogamous marriage because there aren't enough men they think are attractive to go around. The math just doesn't add up. So, if this is the situation, you can't really say the men who aren't married are mostly not sane/stable/capable enough to be married. Some of them are sane/stable/capable enough to be married but the women are wasting time trying to get men as husbands they have no chance with.