Should we start deterring those with less than enough away from the club?

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• Call.Me.Ishmael

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  3 years ago

  Just because you can't have fun for X amount, it doesn't mean that someone else also can't have fun for X amount.
• docsavage

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  3 years ago

  A lot of clubs will charge door fees or require a drink purchase or both just to keep out guys who don't want to spend money and just want to hang out or take up the time of the strippers by trying to talk to them. Even with this, you can have something of a free rider problem where attractive girls are showing up because of the small percentage of customers who spend money on them but there are a lot of time wasters in the club trying to divert the girls attention over to them. The club owners will usually put up with these guys because if they weren't in the club there would often just be a lot of empty tables in the club. They may not stage tip or buy dances but if they at least pay a door fee or buy a drink they are contributing to club income. If their presence is ok to the club owner then it is usually ok to me. There may be some situations, though, where the guys with a lot of money to spend get tired of trying to compete for stripper attention with all the non-spenders hanging out in the club or feel like they are carrying most of the financial burden of keeping the club open and the girls coming in. That can engender resentment and cause them to stop showing up and club owners are aware of that possibility too.
• mark94

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  3 years ago

  In my experience, the typical daytime customer is older, comfortable financially, and is there for the full dance experience. Figure $300+. The typical night time customer is younger and wants to give the impression of being well off financially while spending as little as possible. Figure $100. More looking than touching but being loud about it. The 80/20 rule applies. About 80% of customers, day and night, fit these profiles.
• Muddy

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  3 years ago

  To be fair Mark, Phoenix might be a different animal with all those retirees. Comparing day shift to night shift where I'm at is LOL worthy, if there even is one available in the first place.
• Muddy

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  3 years ago

  And look more clubs survived the pandemic but not for long. There no way the average American can get squeezed in so many areas and still pay more and more for strip clubs. Something is going to have to give, and I think it's going to be some of those very strip clubs. As far as what your suggesting Tiburon what you want everyone to carry around their bank statements to show the door guy? And are the STRIP CLUB is supposed to care if there costs break you? Wtf are we talking about.
• SanchoRG

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  3 years ago

  Strippers are a luxury good if you want a ride. Otherwise there is sniffers row
• Call.Me.Ishmael

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  3 years ago

  I also wondered about the possible forms of "deterrence", but then it occurred to me that this post might be intended to be humorous and didn't dump a lot of time into it. Needing to bring a note from your financial advisor to the strip club doesn't feel realistic...
• mark94

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  3 years ago

  Yeah, over the years I’ve seen a lot of pro athletes plus a rock star and a billionaire in Phoenix strip clubs during the day. Maybe the daytime customers in Phoenix have an atypical demographic.
• shailynn

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  3 years ago

  Even before the pandemic I mentioned in a thread about the expenses of going to an upscale club. I remember one night I went to 3 clubs and didn’t get a single lapdance and only had 1 drink at each club. By the end of the night I spent close to $200 in valet, door fees, and tips. Valet $10 / entrance fee $15 - $2 tip / lead to a table $5 tip / drink $10 - $3 / $10 tips at the stage / $2 tip bathroom troll / $4 tip valet when I leave. Now multiply that by 3. Just an example, the fees add up quick.
• rattdog

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  3 years ago

  who the fuck do you think you are? " you can blow $100 and barely get started on a good time." ahh the consequences of no plan no plan. I would imagine for a great time between the mix of drinks and woman, you probably blowing around $500." i checked out tiburon's club reviews - i've been to all but one of those clubs. a real good time can be had for under $200 in those clubs. so if guy who wants to step inside bergdorf goodman and is low in funds should not be allowed in? or what if another guy does have money to afford to go into that same department store but is a cheap fuck? deny him entry too? so yeah again, who the fuck are you?
• Estafador

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  3 years ago

  @Muddy why not? Let's see those bank notes baby. I promise, you won't get robbed. Your around other well off people after all lol 🤣
• Tiburon

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  3 years ago

  @sanchoRG you don't let rags on the luxury dollar coaster after all ( it was supposed to say roller but I'll leave it). But I always assumed sniffers row was for cocaine?
• Tiburon

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  3 years ago

  @rattdog I'm Adonis in human form. You jealous 😏
• ElDuderino_AZ

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  3 years ago

  @Mark - who's the day shift billionaire in Phx!??? Only one that comes to mind might be the Angels owner. Otherwise I think we're kinda stuck with a bunch of no-name real estate tycoons.
• twentyfive

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  3 years ago

  A means test would keep out the riff raff !
• mark94

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  3 years ago

  ^ Bingo
• rattdog

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  3 years ago

  jealous? yeah sure. the farts that pass by through blustering winds are making my green flags ripple.
• Icee Loco (asshole)

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  3 years ago

  Every business is on a greed rush now. And of course it isn't sustainable. Discretionary income is becoming a thing of the past. Clubs don't care who or what you are as long as you pay the cover charge and or drink minimums and at least have a drink while you vegetate in the club.
• Icee Loco (asshole)

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  3 years ago

  And showing off money just makes you a mark. Also older men don't usually have money. And the guys flexing bank rolls have no intention of spending them.
• Call.Me.Ishmael

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  3 years ago

  Icey said: "Also older men don't usually have money." Well, either that's bullshit or a statistically improbable number of old guys at my regular club have dicks like fire hydrants and more charm than Cyrano de Bergerac. Because those are the guys who spend the most time in and out of the private dance areas with the hottest and most expensive dancers. Which is really surprising, because who would have thought that guys who have spent decades building up wealth and investments would wind up with a bunch of disposable income that can be directed towards sexy fun in strip clubs? But I suspect you already know what you said is bullshit and you're just trying to pick a fight... as usual.
• jackslash

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  3 years ago

  I wish I could have a great time in my favorite clubs for only $300. I have to spend $500-$600.
• shailynn

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  3 years ago

  ^^^ that’s because you keep tipping the stripper that comes to your house too much 🤪😜😝
• Icee Loco (asshole)

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  3 years ago

  CIM other than 20fag bragging about being a millionaire the old guys on here bitch about prices and haggling with hookers. Old guys I've seen during dayshifts are cheap af. Don't buy dancers drinks. Keep 1 bottle of water the whole time there. Some get 1 or 2 dances and leave. Men don't stay single and save their entire lives to afford strip clubs.
• skibum609

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  3 years ago

  You are stupid and a liar Icee. I have seen about 50,000 financial statements in my line of work and older guys always have more money than younger guys. Always. In fact, the guys with the least money are below 40 for the most part, for various reasons, none of which pertaining to someone like you. get a job buster.
• Icee Loco (asshole)

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  3 years ago

  Tell that to the senior citizens on social security struggling to survive
• Call.Me.Ishmael

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  3 years ago

  Icey said "CIM other than 20fag..." You know, the juvenile schoolyard names is a bad look for you alone. But, hey, you do you. "Old guys I've seen during dayshifts are cheap af. Don't buy dancers drinks. Keep 1 bottle of water the whole time there. Some get 1 or 2 dances and leave." This is a disappointing argument from a person who frequently complains about other users' inflicting their limited points of view on a particular topic. If what you're saying is true, then it's only potentially true for the particular market(s) of clubs that you've visited. But I'm not convinced what you're saying is broadly true, because you like to pick fights for the giggles. "Men don't stay single and save their entire lives to afford strip clubs." I don't believe I said anything about their relationship status. They could be single, married, divorced, or in a relationship. However one might view the ethics, relationship status does not stop a lot of guys from going to strip clubs at any point in their lives. And, no, they may not build wealth over the course of a long career just to afford a strip club, but they often build wealth to afford having fun of all sorts, which can include strip clubs, etc.
• Icee Loco (asshole)

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  3 years ago

  Older white men aren't the beat strip club demographic.
• Icee Loco (asshole)

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  3 years ago

  CIM following your logic don't judge everything via your myopic views and prejudices
• Tetradon

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  3 years ago

  Net worth is well correlated to age until 75. [view link]
• twentyfive

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  3 years ago

  If we could figure out a way to keep the riff raff out of here it would be a positive development
• gobstopper007

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  3 years ago

  Had to take Icee off ignore for a minute because of this thread. No idea where he is but older white guys are the definite majority when I go into a club. Several dancers have told me they have many regulars in that category who come in often and don’t get dances, just have a drink and hang out for a bit and then tip the dancer from $100 to $300. No split with the club so dancers love it.
• Icee Loco (asshole)

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  3 years ago

  100 to 300 isn't much.
• rickdugan

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  3 years ago

  Most clubs need the under $100 crowd too, especially since old guys tend to drink less than their younger counterparts. Without the worker bees contributing there would be far fewer places in which to find the honey.
• Cashman1234

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  3 years ago

  If I understand the OP - he’s suggesting customers only spend what they can afford in strip clubs? The entire industry is based on getting guys worked up to spend more than they intended - and in some cases to spend more than they can afford! If a big bank balance is needed - then the average customer age will move up considerably. A strip club is a place where an ugly old guy like me can feel attractive because of his bank account. Those young guys might have the looks and the designer clothes - but I’ve got a nice roll of bills in my old Levi’s! If you don’t approach the stage to tip a dancer - and say hi - how will she know you want to buy dances? I guess your penetrating stare from across the room might work a small percentage of time. But tipping (and letting her know you are interested) is more reliable.
• SirLapdancealot

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  3 years ago

  @icee, hey dumbass, $300 buys a lot more than a bottle of water and 1-2 dances. You talk out of your ass and are just being argumentative. 🤭🤡
• Dolfan

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  3 years ago

  I can't see removing low end customers from a club as being beneficial to midrange spenders. And I don't see big spenders giving a shit. If you remove the low end, the midrange will simply become the new low end. You'll find yourself spending even more than you are now or perhaps bring about an existential crisis about deterring yourself from the club. There is some chance you could raise the caliber of talent with such a move, but in my opinion its likely to be significant. More likely the result is the club management and ownership would simply enjoy higher fees from customers and dancers alike, and the dancers may see some minor increase in take home wages.
• gobstopper007

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  3 years ago

  Personally I think no other customers should be allowed in the club when I am there. I can be the richest and best looking guy there. I have been in a club more than once shortly after opening when that was the case. Depending on who was working it was either unbelievably awesome or awkward
• gSteph

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  3 years ago

  I admit I live in a lower cost area. Yesterday I had a marvelous time for about 145 or so. Spent $100 on 5 lap dances, maybe 40 in LD and stage tips, 5 dollar tea. Just marvelous. Realized the cannabis gummy was coming on as we snuggled, kissing each other's cheek and ear. All 6 nipples 😋 were tasty and perfect in their own way. Still reliving those bellies and buns. No sir, I will not be deterred. Sorry if such pleasures cost so much more for some in some places.
• Cashman1234

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  3 years ago

  ^ a dancer with 6 nipples? I would be curious enough to spend a bit more for that action!
• Tetradon

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  3 years ago

  "I can't see removing low end customers from a club as being beneficial to midrange spenders." Usually that's the case, most clubbers mind their own business, and girls don't waste their time with the cheap ones (or cheap looking ones). What I hate is when a ton of them rumble in and kill the vibe. Once at Desire, about 30 or so bikers came in, occupied the entire bar, ordered one drink and just sat there. Dancers complained that they never bought dances. They barely even interacted with each other. It was just bizarre. But evidently this happens enough that they remember. "I can be the richest and best looking guy there." They always tell me that I am. And how I have the biggest penis they've ever touched.
• gSteph

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  3 years ago

  @Cashman, lol. That would be something. In a low cost area it took 3 gals to provide such pleasure . .
• Icee Loco (asshole)

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  3 years ago

  Clubs want all customers coz they spend money. There's a difference between a girls customers and club customers.
• Papi_Chulo

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  3 years ago

  No doubt one can burn thru $$$ in this hobby especially if one is a regular-SCer (vs a once-in-a-while-guy). I can def see the difference in my bank-account when I club regularly vs when I stop for a stretch of time – when I don’t club for a while I look at my bank-account and think “where did all this $$$ come from”; i.e. I kinda get surprised how quickly my $$$ accumulates when I stop for a stretch of time. For the most-part prices have not changed that much in my area of SoFlo – maybe some clubs have increased their cover $5 or $10 but of course that is a small part of the SC expenditure – I’m not much of a drinker and usually just nurse a drink for my visit; and not a big stage-tipper or floor-tipper in general – the bulk of my SC expenditure is dances and liking variety and getting w/ multiple dances is where most of my $$$ goes; dance-prices in SoFlo have remained the same as pre-Covid so my SC-expenditures these days are not that different compared to pre-Covid. w.r.t. how others spend their $$$ and if they are able to or not is obviously their business – if I know someone that is inexperienced w.r.t. SCs and he decides he wants to visit them I may give them a heads-up w.r.t. how quickly one can burn thru $$$ but at the end of the day it’s obviously not my place to tell a stranger how to spend their $$$ or where to go or not go.
• ilbbaicnl

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  3 years ago

  Why not just have large clubs in a place where the cost per square foot of floor and parking space is low? Every seat in VIP should have a timer. You punch in the time, pay her in advance, start the timer. No fixed price, whatever dancer and PL agree too. Dancers don't waste so much time waiting for the next fucking song to start. No one has any bad feelings about how long or short the songs are, no annoyance of having to count songs. If dancers aren't wasting time, that helps keep the cost per minute of dancing lower. If the strip club sector was more competitive like the restaurant sector, it would be reasonable cost for PLs and dancers would make more than they do now. A typical guy could have more fun in an SC with $50 - 100 than he could anywhere else.
• Dave_Anderson

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  3 years ago

  A charity fund for mongers low on funds sounds like a good idea. Like when someone is having a hard time financially they can rake from the fund to pay for strippers or escorts then give back when their financial circumstances improve. All strictly on the honor system of course.
• san_jose_guy

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  3 years ago

  Can't see why you would want to be discouraging anyone from going to the clubs. SJG
• JamesSD

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  3 years ago

  I think this is going to vastly vary by the club and demographic. The rich got richer and are still doing very well in this pandemic. A pensioner living off his stocks is doing just fine. If you owned your home before 2019 you could refi at a low rate and cash out some equity and still pay a low mortgage relative to skyrocketing rents. Does less guys with more disposable income raise or lower prices? My local market is weird because of TJ across the border. Guys who shop local are doing it for time and convenience, but you can't charge triple what girls 30 miles south are charging.
• mark94

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  3 years ago

  I lived in Southern California for several years. When times were good, the Mercedes dealers and private lunch clubs were over run with Realtors and mortgage brokers. When the economy went south, those places were like ghost towns. If the economy turns ( further ) south, I expect strip clubs nationwide will lose all the realtors, luxury car salesmen, and various salesmen. That’s a big chunk of their customer base no matter how many retired millionaires still go clubbing.
• Icee Loco (asshole)

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  3 years ago

  Last night I went on a date with a girl and we ended up at a strip club. There was no cover if you had an instate Id but we were charged coz we were a couple. I hated that. But the club was mostly older white men. We sat at the stage with $100 in one's and spent more than anyone else at the stage. We lasted like 2 hours. We were so high though and comparing the girls pussies lulz. But the point is we had a great time for a little money. I think clubs need to accommodate different demographics to be successful. I think the current trend in urban clubs will fail. What clubs do now isn't sustainable and.its going to be lean between now and March.