“America was very classist and racist... It is difficult to imagine it that way

By the standards of today it was classist and racist but it was in advance of the rest of the world at that time in moving away from classism and racism. Slavery existed all throughout human history and was not unique to America. Most countries then were led by despotic elites at the top of a rigid class system. You certainly would not have found things to be better in Europe, Asia or Africa in the eighteenth century. America was the first place where you heard ideas like "all men are equal and have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". After the American revolution and up to the present, efforts have been made to extend those rights to blacks and women. People from all over the world have immigrated to America because, while not perfect, it was better than almost all other places.

@docsavage

FYI

“The United States of America traces its political roots to the Declaration of Independence in 1776, but by then, democracy was old news in the so-called “New World.”

During the American Revolution, thousands of Native Americans already lived under a system of governance that embodied many of the same ideals espoused in Philadelphia at the time. 

As the founding fathers began crafting a more perfect union from scratch, the Haudenosaunee Confederacy of what is now upstate New York carried on with the one it had been perfecting for centuries, grounded in an oral constitution known as the Great Law of Peace.

Dating to perhaps as early as 1142, this charter is based on notions of unity, liberty and equality. It even provides for the separation of powers and outlines impeachment procedures.

Is it a coincidence that American democracy emerged in a land so long imbued with such principles?

Some scholars see these similarities to the U.S. Constitution as evidence that the Haudenosaunee — more commonly, but improperly, called the Iroquois — helped to mold the nascent American nation.

Two hundred years later, in 1988, Congress itself passed a resolution acknowledging as much. "The confederation of the original 13 colonies into one republic was influenced by the political system developed by the Iroquois Confederacy,” it reads, “as were many of the democratic principles which were incorporated into the Constitution itself."

@Did Native Americans Shape U.S. Democracy?

https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-…

“Haters are angry, because the truth contradicts the lie they live...”

^
“Haters are angry, because the truth contradicts the lie they live...”

Amerikkka IS classiest and racist

@CJKent-band

You say democracy was old news in the "New World" in 1776. Are you aware that the word "democracy" itself comes from Ancient Greek and the Greeks had democracy over two thousand years ago? The Founders were well read in the Ancient Greek and Roman classics and didn't need to learn about democracy from Native Americans.

didn’t the greek also have some slavery at that time ?

@docsavage

I am not the one saying it,

“in 1988, Congress itself passed a resolution acknowledging as much.”

"The confederation of the original 13 colonies into one republic was influenced by the political system developed by the Iroquois Confederacy,”

it reads, “as were many of the democratic principles which were incorporated into the Constitution itself."

It was also influenced by the Magna Carta, the city-state of Athens, and the Roman Republic.

@Tetradon

You should also know that;

The so-called founding fathers were British paranoid hypocrites and ungrateful malcontents. What was their cherished Declaration of Independence but empty political posturing?

The separation from Great Britain was done to justify the genocide committed against Native Americans and preserve slavery of African Americans.

Imperial expansion west over stolen Indian land shaped and deepened the American Revolution’s relationship to slavery.

^ Must have been your precious Iroquois influence.

Kent and Icey are pure unadulterated traitorous garbage. I couldn't wish enough misery on you two assholes. Either one of you fucktards do anything other than bitch and whine? Fuck you and your communities. Suffer assholes. You inferiors are always jealous.

^@skibum609

“Haters are angry, because the truth contradicts the lie they live...”

^Losers hate successful people and try to pretend that the righteous anger directed at scum is Christ like. If you don't like it here scumbag move away, take up arms, but got God's sake act like a man and not a whiny little girl posting shit from comedian and foreign teen hookers like Greta the whore.

“When haters go after your looks and differences, it means they have nowhere left to go.

And then you know you’re winning!”

“The world is waking up...

And change is coming whether you like it or not.”

~ Greta Tintin Eleonora Ernman Thunberg
~ Born: 3rd January 2003 Stockholm, Sweden
~ Occupation: Student, environmental activist

Violence is coming too. The change that comes will be the opposite of what you dirty rat fucks think.

@Skibum609

“In spite of temporary victories, violence never brings permanent peace.”

“We adopt the means of nonviolence because our end is a community at peace with itself.

We will try to persuade with our words, but if our words fail, we will try to persuade with our acts.”

“Here is the true meaning and value of compassion and nonviolence, when it helps us to see the enemy’s point of view, to hear his questions, to know his assessment of ourselves.

For from his view we may indeed see the basic weaknesses of our own condition, and if we are mature, we may learn and grow and profit from the wisdom of the brothers who are called the opposition.”

Nonviolence is a powerful and just weapon, which cuts without wounding and ennobles the man who wields it.

It is a sword that heals...”

The Iroquois never developed a deep understanding of natural rights. One of these rights is the right to own private property. All land was owned communally by them. Private property is required to move from a primitive hunter-gatherer stage to the agricultural stage and then industrial stage. Because they never fully developed private property rights, they were permanently frozen into their primitive hunter-gatherer lifestyle, a lifestyle where people only had a life expectancy of around 35, a lifestyle without advanced technology or any of the modern conveniences we take for granted. If you think the Iroquois political system, culture and lifestyle is superior to that of the founding fathers and their descendants, then you need to stop posting on the internet and get a bow and arrow and go out and hunt for a deer for dinner.

Nonviolence wins? That must be why the countries controlling the planet are Monaco and Switzerland. Nonviolence is what losers preach.

“The fact that man knows right from wrong proves his “intellectual superiority” to the other creatures; but the fact that he can do wrong proves his moral inferiority to any creatures that cannot.

~ Mark Twain

Fuck off and get Covid scumbag.^ Too stupid to do anything other than cut and paste. Time to end progressives in this country...

“So ridiculous, Tetrado, docsavage & skibum609 must work on their Anger Management problem, then go to a good old fashioned movie with each other as friends!

Chill Tetradon, docsavage & skibum609, Chill!"

~ Greta Tintin Eleonora Ernman Thunberg
~ Born: 3rd January 2003 , Sweden
~ Occupation: Student, environmental activist

:D

^ You should have heard her rage out about Glasgow.

^
She is not rong...

^ Yep. Time for her to go back to school and get some therapy for her "superpower."

Greta Thunberg talked about Apserger's Syndrome when she first talked here, very young, English not her first language. Second time she was totally dismissive about it.

Autism / Apspergers is a hoax

https://www.amazon.com/Myth-Autism-Medic…

SJG

https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=4946

“Who We Are”: New Film Chronicles History of Racism in America Amid Growing Attack on Voting Rights
https://www.democracynow.org/shows/2022/…

SJG

Thelonious Monk - Live In Paris 1964
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sswp02n…

Title says nothing. Bunch of jibberish.

America is probably the least racist country in the world. Anyone who has experienced other cultures first hand would realize that. The only people who think the opposite are products of the safe spaces of our modern indoctrination camps called universities.

The only ignorant bigots on earth are people like Greta Thunberg on the left. Only a moron would follow the ideas of a teenage retard.

For those complaining about racism in America, check out the way black athletes are being welcomed in Beijing

https://mobile.twitter.com/softwarnet/st…

You can't destroy the narrative that only Americans are bad. That's just racist to prove other cultures are bad.

“Racism is the belief in the USA that humans are divided into separate and exclusive biological entities called “races” identifiable by the color of their skin (black, brown/red, yellow and white) and that there is a link between inherited physical traits and traits of personality, intellect, morality, and other cultural and behavioral features; and that some races are innately superior to others.

The term is also applied to the cultural, political, economic, or legal institutions and systems in the USA that engage in or perpetuate discrimination on the basis of race (color) and reinforce racial inequalities in wealth and income, education, health care, civil rights, and other areas.”

“The term is also applied to the cultural, political, economic, or legal institutions and systems in the USA that engage in or perpetuate discrimination on the basis of race (color)“

The two institutions that most blatantly treat people differently based on race are the US government and universities.

I dumpa lload on dis tread

^^^ oops wrong account!

“Denying that race matters is irrational in the face of segregation and all of the other forms of obvious racial inequity in society.

It is even more irrational to believe that it is whites who are at the receiving end of discrimination.

Maintaining this denial of reality takes tremendous emotional and psychic energy.”

~ Robin DiAngelo

You work hard maintaining and denying your racism...

^ Robin DiAngelo is not a serious thinker

"The only ignorant bigots on earth are people like Greta Thunberg on the left. Only a moron would follow the ideas of a teenage retard."

Okay boomer

^ Robin DiAngelo is not rong

^
She (Greta) is not rong...

You should decide whether something said, written or quoted makes sense by its content, not by the person who writes or says it...

regardless of the letters after his or her name, title or position in society, age, nationality, physical or mental disabilities...

no matter when or where it was said or written...

^ They don't make sense no matter who says them

Robin DiAngelo is a white woman in the business of taking racial penance from corporations.

^
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something like his White Privilege and status in society when his White Privileged and his status in society depends upon his not understanding it."

^ More nonsense. And I'm only half-white.
Try again, sweetcheeks ;-)

America is not perfect, no nation is, but if you complain about it so much (Icee and CJKent) you know nobody is forcing you to live here, you can always move.

^
“nothing someone says before the word “but” really counts”...

:D

CJKent if you don’t like America you can always move. Nobody is forcing you to stay.

There is that better?

The statement, in a variety of forms;

“If you don’t like America, then leave!”

Has been passed down to generation after generation of egotistical, racist hate groups considered right-wing extremist and terrorist.

It’s something they enjoy saying as much as they enjoy saying the N-word and other racist/ethnic slurs...

It gives them a feeling of power, as if they immediate draw all of the power of the person they are attacking and become powerful due to it. 

This feeling is short-lived as it is only a state of mind, everyone knows that people that do this are only doing it because they feel insecure and lack confidence often in their own intellect...

I believe you are not a minority, so how does what you posted above apply to you?

"because they feel insecure and lack confidence often in their own intellect..."

Like someone who only quotes other people (usually morons) shows he doesn't have anything to say himself?

CJ and Icee deserve to have their nuts run over by a car.

Personally, I've never loved the "If you don't like America, then get out." sentiment. This country was founded by people who lived here, disagreed with the status quo, and took action to change that status quo. Wanting change and having the freedom to advocate for change is the most American thing you can do. People who believe otherwise have no appreciation for our history.

But CJKent, like Icee, is primarily here to stir shit for his own giggles, and truth be told he's pretty good at it. Every single one of these threads gets exactly the reaction he wants, and his biggest effort is posting roughly the same quotes over and over again whenever anyone rises to the bait. I wish I had a lake nearby that was as easy to fish as TUSCL...

Also, for a guy who advocates so strongly against racism and in favor of diversity, his taste in women looks like the burlesque chorus line at a performance of "Springtime for Hitler." So, there's that.

For most even if they wanted to leave yhe American system doesn't enable them to have the financial freedom to do so.

These threads don't get the responses the op wants. They get the responses that can be expected from delusional right wing extremists

@Call.Me.Ishmael

You wrote and I quote:

“This country was founded by people who lived here, disagreed with the status quo, and took action to change that status quo.”

You know that the undeniable truth is that this country was founded by British paranoid hypocrites and ungrateful malcontents slave owners, killers of natives, women and children..

What was their cherished Declaration of Independence but empty political posturing?

The separation from Great Britain was done to justify the genocide committed against Native Americans and preserve slavery of African Americans.

Imperial expansion west over stolen Indian land shaped and deepened the American Revolution’s relationship to slavery.

There I fixed it for you all, you are welcome.

#morebait

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The undeniable truth by any other name is still undeniable truth...

Bigots have very fragile egos. That's replacing history with a narrative that makes them feel good about themselves is identity politics at its worst and a war on memory.

They'd never talk like this openly coz they don't want people knowing how bavkward they are

^ Icey is proof that reproduction through anal sex is possible. Lulz.

So we separated from Britain to keep slavery said the stupid cunt who wrote the 1619 reject, oops project. Yes the colonist's revolted to keep slavery because England was going to end the slave trade as acknowledged by the fact that Britain was going to come into the civil war on the side of the SOUTH, right up until Gettysburg and vicksburg. We escaped from the country that supported slavery to end slavery - said the morons on the left. Spit on a progressive day is friday, drink lots of fluids.

And the struggle against racists continues

Britain and the USA have been very un-successful at “covering up” their slave-owning and slave-trading past, and present...

Britain created the USA, one way or another, and the cotton plantations of the American south, British slavery also took place 3,000 miles away in the Caribbean.

The history of British slavery can still be seen in the wealth of descendants of the British families who grew rich on the slave trade, or from the sale of slave-produced sugar, in the 17th and 18th centuries, Britain tries however to brush those uncomfortable chapters of their dynastic stories under the carpet.

Despite being illegal, modern slavery still exists in Britain, the USA and their areas of influence, usually as a result of human trafficking from poorer countries.

Slavery was part of life back then; oh well. Human trafficking is just meaningless words. I do agree that the racism of American blacks and muslims towards jews is despicable. but hey being despicable is required of democrats.

“Human trafficking involves the use of force, fraud, or coercion to obtain some type of labor or commercial sex act.”

~ US Department of Homeland Security

Slavery and Racism by any other name are still Slavery and Racism...

Sesta fosta is trumps best legacy. I know all of you agree.

Wave of Bomb Threats Terrorizing Historically Black Colleges Continues During Black History Month (shows importance of Black Colleges)
https://www.democracynow.org/2022/2/18/s…

Filmmaker Stanley Nelson on Police Brutality, Black History & His First Oscar Nomination for “Attica” (has that surreal phone call between Richard Nixon and Nelson Rockefeller)
https://www.democracynow.org/2022/2/18/s…

SJG