Comments by LeeH (page 17)

Take it as a compliment. Even if it's SS, it's well-crafted SS. Not to counter shadowcat, but I think it's nowhere near "you have a big dick". Two guys can want, expect, and receive the same amount of mileage, but go about in totally different ways. Would you rather be the asshole or the nice guy? Besides, you said she's a fave. The next time she sees you in the club, and she's with another guy, she may very well give up on trying to hoover him faster so she can get over to see you. Isn't that a good thing?

Ya know, on second thought, if a dancer got truly angry (not just playing), I think I'd get angrier. I don't tell her how to dance (*and* I give her money). Where does she get off telling me how to enjoy the dance?

Geez, gatorfan, you just go on and on and on. Get to the point. ;-)

Coke is happy with dickering, too (pun very much intended). My ex was a HS teacher. Vending contract at the school was up for renewal and they told Coke and Pepsi, "one bid, low bid wins, no second chances". Pepsi underbid on the first (and only) round, and the Coke rep was flabbergasted that he didn't have a chance to counter.

Related issue: The more a dancer likes a song, the better the dance will be (whether stage or LD). So you may be shooting yourself in the foot if you ask a dancer to dance to a song that she doesn't like.

Well, here's the problem with that -- the dancer doesn't control the music, and half the time (if not more) the DJ is too much of an @ssh0le to play what the dancer asks for, anyway. (And then she's supposed to tip him at the end of the night? WTF?) I have successfully tipped the DJ to play a particular song. Apparently, most DJs don't want to piss off a customer that they may never see again, but are willing to piss off a dancer they work with every day. However, I don't know if you'd have success requesting a certain song *at a certain time*, so getting it while a given dancer is on stage is a crap shoot. Most of the time that I've done it, it's been for this one dancer whose LDs are 100000000% better if "Purple Rain" is playing.

As to the OP: 1) Some are stupid 2) Some are trying to keep more plates spinning than they're capable of 3) Some got hit up for a 2-hour VIP between the stage and you 4) Some are drunk off their ass, but hide it well, except for the occasional total brain shutdown

uscue13: "When I finally left, made sure to walk by her table while counting a stack of the $$ I had left." And then got mugged in the parking lot. ;-) I'd sooner pull out Mr Happy in the middle of a SC than my wad of money.

I've gone a few times during day shifts, but I usually feel like a dirty old man if I'm entering a SC while the sun's still up. ;-) Sunday can be hit-or-miss, IMHO. If you have a fave that *is* working Sunday, you've got a better chance of spending some time with her, as it's often slower than any other day. OTOH, if you don't have a fave, pickings can be kinda slim. I actually went out last night, and it proves my theory. Went to Oasis first - they only had 1 of 3 stages going (are you shittin' me?) and all 4 girls that went up there while I was there really needed to go to Ethiopia and fatten up. Sat there for 45 minutes and never got approached by anyone but the waitress. Sucked so bad, that I walked out and drove to Pink Pony. Much to my delight, the charmingly schizophrenic Rita now works most Sundays and I got to spend over an hour with her. Made my week. I rarely go to *any* club on a Friday or Saturday night. And I wouldn't go someplace like Oasis or PP on a Fri/Sat if you put a gun to my head. If I'm gonna shell out $10 cover, I want to sit down. Call me weird.

I think using the word "dance" (outside the club) was ill-advised, and definitely led to confusion. That said, totally non-sexual OTC is not unheard of. I've taken 3 different dancers to dinner (at my request) and it was nothing more than a dinner date. I enjoyed her company and she enjoyed mine and a good time was had by all. All three have asked about doing it again, and I've managed it with 2 of them. Sometimes, a woman just wants to be treated like more than a piece of meat (I threw that one in just for Dougster).

gatorfan, far be it from me to argue against CIP, but it doesn't take sperm to release dopamine

shadowcat: "todays waitress may be tomorrows dancer" Bad memory, dude -- or at least wishful thinking, but in reverse. At one club, today's bartender is yesterday's dancer. And she's the hottest woman in the club. I've yet to convince her to come out of retirement.

"I know some clubs that do this for safety reasons" -- samsung, I like you and all, but BULLSHIT. It's for the $$$.

My guess would be letting off steam at the end of the work week. Isn't that what most of us are doing, only she GETS money instead of shelling it out? As to the other "shit in the game" -- no hubby or kids and she hangs with regulars -- this bolsters the "fun" part. Although maybe not "friends" per se, the regulars are a known quantity that she can hang with. But still, $200 is $200. So I still go with both fun and money. One of my former ATFs only has the one job (as a dancer), so she's primarily doing it for the money. However, sometimes she'd rather just shoot the shit with me, even if she knows I'm not gonna drop my usual bundle on her that night. Frankly, I think the best (or at least, most fun) dancers are the ones who are in it for both fun and money.

@kingcripple - Never had that problem and I'm also very slow/cautious about touching. And I've gotten complimented on it. And have even got a free HJ in VIP just for being a gentleman.

Holy schnikes! No nudity and no contact? Boomer's only saving grace (since they have no contact) is that the dancers can be very brazen about their nudity.

Ick, Dehaan needs to go to Ethiopia and fatten up

gmd, been there. Sucks big time. My ATATF (all-time all-time fave -- fave of all ATFs) "retired" from dancing at the ripe old age of 23 because she didn't need the money anymore (her other gigs blew up in a good way). I still have some pix of her, so if I really wanna torture myself, I can look at those.

I can testify to what samsung1 said: "beta-blockers (like Atenolol)" and which is often prescribed as a BP med, can mess with Mr Happy (making him Mr Not-So-Happy).

Have to laugh at the stories of guys who left glasses in VIP or don't even wear them into the club. With my vision, f I did that, I'd be getting LDs from the bouncers, and be none the wiser.

vince, I don't mean that I feel sorry for guys that don't want to do it -- whatever floats your boat. But I do feel sorry for guys that did it and had a bad experience.

BTW, when I say "LD", it's not something you "go back" for. It's there on the floor, maybe a bit secluded. Decent LD mileage in Atlanta will be a good bit of rubbing of her body parts on your body parts, alternated with some more-visual-less-contact stuff; if you're lucky, maybe a surreptitious crotch grab or two. For the "more visual" parts, I definitely need my glasses so I know they didn't just substitute a bouncer. ;-)

Re: dancer taking your glasses off you and trying them on -- only had that happen with one dancer (C), but she knew she could get away with anything with me. She remarked that what she saw was what things looked like without her contacts. So one night we're talking movies and C recommended "Closer", (1) b/c we both like Natalie Portman and (2) b/c C likes Portman's character's attitude about being a stripper. Early in the movie, Portman runs into Jude Law on a bus, takes off his glasses and puts them on herself. Next time I saw C, I told her that now I know where she got that from. ;-)

Gee, I almost feel sorry for those of you that have the "it never ends well" mentality -- maybe I'm just lucky, but I'd put it at about 3/4 of the time, it works for me. Granted, much of those times, the first dancer is a fave who knows my tastes. Usually, she's just trying to throw a frickin' bone to another dancer who's having a lousy night. It's understood that I'll get a dance or two from dancer #2, and then she is to shove off, so I can spend a lot more money on dancer #1. And then there's C, who is very bi. If the #2 dancer doesn't appeal to me, I'll buy a dance from her, anyway, *if* she'll do the dance for C.

Good experience -- zip your lip Bad experience -- spill the beans, but be as specific about said beans as you can -- sometimes your "bad" may be another person's "tolerable"