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3 years ago
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ilbbaicnlKeep it in my pants when I do OTC. If I were a stripper it would stand for I like big bucks and I can not lie.
@docsavage, sorry my friend, but that's total horseshit.
A stripper (or any woman) will think you are too old ONLY if YOU think you are too old. I retired two years ago and I still have amazing times, including doing the horizonal mamba, with 18-35 year old strippers and sugar babies 3 or 4 times a month. Attitude, personality, sense of humor and confidence are so much more important than youth. And to be honest, having a good amount of disposable cash helps a lot. Now there are certainly strippers who prefer younger guys, and I pass on then as soon as the size of my big, hard wallet fails to close the deal. But those are the strippers who haven't learned that stripping is a job, not a party. Once they grow up a bit and learn that guys over 40, and especially guys over 50 have the most cash, they change their game.
I will talk to any stripper that wants to talk to me at a club. But I rarely spend money, even for a $10 drink, on a stripper over 35, especially if she looks over 45. My friends who see me dating women in their 20's often ask me why I don't date women closer to my own age. I just smile and tell them I don't have to. Rule of thumb: I don't want to bang any woman who has an 18+ daughter I'd like to fuck more. MILF's are for younger guys with no cash.
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3 years ago
IMO, this is a high risk/low probability of success situation - especially if you have never met (and fucked) in person.
Risks:
- You may lose your money (airfare, hotel, etc.), especially if she asks you to send her cash to buy airfare.
- She may never show.
- She may take the flight, then get sent home without proper visa or passport, no vaccination, etc.
- She may change the flight and when she lands meet someone else. (That's real life, people.)
- She may arrive, but be a different person than you expected.
- She may arrive, delay the expected fun for days, then tell you she's changed her mind and won't close the deal.
- Sha may arrive, with drugs, another person (who could be a minor and/or not her relative) and get arrested at the airport.
Rewards:
- BEST: She arrives, gives you road head on the way to the hotel/your home and never stops pleasing you until you take her back to the airport.
- GOOD: She arrives, greets you warmly and you have a pretty good time for a few days.
- WORST: She arrives and you both feel a little awkward, but you go through with your plans, fuck once, and you can't wait to kick her out of your car at the airport.
Of the three "reward" levels, you are more likely to get Good or Worst - meeting someone in real life for several days of 24/7 contact is very different than a 2 hour Facetime once a week.
Now you know the calculus. Good luck solving this equation.
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3 years ago
I was a road warrior for over 30 years. Two queen beds are always the way to go.
At most hotels, the king bed costs about the same as 2 queen beds.
Plus sleeping on the wet spot (hers or yours!) sucks.
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3 years ago
The closest I've been to a gang bang (except that one time in high school) was when I was invited to visit a porn shoot in the late 90's. No, I was never on cam an didn't have sex with anyone there. But the movie was about a local starlet who was turning 21 and they lined up 7 guys who each fucked her three times - Hence the title: 21 Gun Salute.
To answer one of your questions, the minimum numbers for a gang bang are this:
Two or more guys with one woman is a gang bang.
However, according to "International Law" two women with a guy is a threesome. Hey I don't make the rules... I just live here... looking for more threesomes.
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3 years ago
I've always found Chapelle only moderately funny. And in the last 5 years, his jokes are predictable and tired.
Now Conan on the other hand - boring AF. He should go back to writing for The Simpsons.
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3 years ago
I have gotten laid in all these places/experiences, except Tinder. Looked at it, but never gave it a serious try.
They all have pros and cons and they all follow the same basic rule: The more you spend, the better the experience and the lower the risk - except for outright scams, of course.
Oh and one time in a bar next to the Fairmont hotel where I was staying in San Jose I was picked up by a MILF that wanted to cheat on her Hubby. Good times - until she mentioned that he worked at - I'm sure you can see this coming - the Fairmont Hotel.
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3 years ago
I approved that article. Or at least one of the dupes.
Although I was bothered by the lack of line breaks into paragraphs, I felt the content was worthy of approval. Judgement call.
Don't get me wrong here... I take an almost perverse pleasure in rejecting unpublished articles. Especially the one-line bullshit attempts to get free credit from cheap ass hats. And I kick plagiarists with equal joy as well. I mean FFS, Google works, dipshits.
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3 years ago
In a low-end club well-known for extras, took a new dancer to the 30-minute VIP for my 1st dance with her.
Not even 3 minutes into the dance, she dropped her panties, pointed her ass at me and said: "You want to slip it in?" Of course I obliged (because I am a man-whore) and rewarded her with a cream pie about 15 minutes later. As we were walking out of the booth she told me she meant I should slip my finger in... But since I had tipped her an extra $50 she was happy. We started a SD/SB thing that day which lasted 1 year until she moved south. I spent a lot of money on her, but none of it was for condoms.
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3 years ago
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drewcareypnwnot the real drew carey, but I play him at strip clubs...
How to tell if her boobs are real:
If you can touch them, they're real.
You are welcome.
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3 years ago
@ilbbiacnl
Most major cam sites take about 50%. They typically use "tokens" which typically cost the buyer around 10 cents each. So a tip of 100 tokens to a model equals about $10, and the model will net $5. There are other sites, like Streamate, who use "gold" instead of tokens at $1 per gold tip. But that's the business model. The viewer pre-buys tokens, or buys "gold" as it gets used. When the tokens are sent to the model, she can cash out.
Easy money? No, not really. Like dancing, this is still a job. If you work hard (30-50 hours a week), develop regulars and build your online brand, you can get good money. And also like dancing, if you phone it in, only work a few days and hours with an irregular schedule, you will fail. It's the online equivalent of the "Wanna dance?" strippers and the "sit down, chat and connect" dancers we talk about here so much.
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3 years ago
@shailyn,
"Camming became popular about 7-10 years ago and has (as far as I know) fallen in popularity since then."
I disagree. This has become the center of online adult entertainment on a global scale. If you look at the revenues at the corp. level, camming surpassed video sales and streaming a while ago. If you look at individual performer incomes, you see a wide distribution of numbers, with the top 3-8% making serious bank - perhaps as much as $100k per month. And anecdotally, if you ever visit an adult trade show (AVN, exxotica, etc.) you will see that cam sites have the majority of floor space rented and spend the majority of promotional and sponsorship dollars.
Why?
- It's easy to enter the business - an internet connection and a web cam is all you need.
- It's inexpensive to create and distribute "content"
- The tools needed to grow your brand, assuming you have desired content, are (mostly) free social media accounts.
- No agents
- No studio/production companies taking the majority of revenues and retaining the profit (other than Cam Studios who provide a place for some models to walk in and work).
- Global audience reach, without paying tariffs, export/import fees, or customs delays
- Product portability - a model can use any channel (web site) they want and often use multiple sites to stream simultaneously.
- Instant access - Customers can buy the product in the privacy of their home, or hotel room, etc., 24x7.
Cam sites report viewers in the millions on a regular basis.
No, it's not falling in popularity. It's the fastest growing segment in the adult industry.
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3 years ago
For those interested... I have met 3 webcam models between 2012 and 2021 and took each one on as a Sugar Baby for a time. It was an equal mix of perseverance, token investment, personal charm (i.e.: NOT being a creep), and geographic luck (they lived close to me).
All of them were (and one still is) off the hook in bed. But I am the exception here. Especially when you realize that over 85% of the most popular models are in Eastern Europe and South America.
Kidding of the OP aside...I suggest similar rules to those of strippers and hookers apply:
- Never send them money (except for clearly agreed to tokens for specified activities).
- Never believe you can meet them, or fuck them (with RARE noted exceptions)
- Be kind, respectful - but not a doormat.
- Don't be a creepy fan-boy, or try to demean her.
- Don't be Captain Save-A-Ho. It ain't gonna happen.
- Every token (dollar) you send her is likely going to her boyfriend/studio manager/pimp.
As to how to optimize your... ahem!... "enjoyment"... while minimizing your investment: Note which sites allow you to stay in a room without tipping. Don't bother paying for a VIP show, or spying on a VIP show. The rates you will pay are HIGHER than booking a hooker - a real good hooker! Specifically, set up a registered account on Chaturbate.com with a real anonymous email address (try protonmail.com), but DON'T attach a credit card or ever buy tokens. You will be able to lurk in any room for as long as you like without getting banned or kicked. But you won't be able to, and should not, type any comments in "room chat" or PM's to the model(s).
Good luck. And try not to spill lube on your keyboard & mouse or iPad. :p
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3 years ago
Um.... are you drunk, or am I drunk? So confused.
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3 years ago
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shailynnThey never tell you what you need to know.
Typical misleading story deliberately pushed by the LE authorities, and gobbled up by the press because sex stories sell.
"Dubbed "Operation Ohio Knows," the weeklong sting was intended to create a deterrent for those who seek sex for pay or profit, Yost said."
This is NOT a trafficking sting. The quote above says it clearly. It's a prostitution sting with the HOPE that some of those arrested can lead LE to human traffickers despite there being NO evidence of any trafficking, except that of the minors involved.
I'll predict now that, as in similar stories announced in several other states in the last year, there will be ZERRO indictments or convictions for human trafficking. Zero. They will pressure the johns to cop to a misdemeanor solicitation plea, and the "victims" (aka consenting adults) to enter some rehab or support program to avoid prosecution.
The ONLY bad guys here, and I hope they get convicted for life, are the pimps who forced or coerced minors into prostitution. They need to be housed in a super max prison where the local gangs can show people who prey on minors what their intestines look like as they bleed out.
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3 years ago
What I can tell from your post:
1. You discovered the internet yesterday.
2. You are learning how to type one-handed... but not learning very fast
3. You got carried away and hit your token purchase limit on these sites in less than 20 minutes.
4. You are still learning how to talk to naked girls who suck a rubber penis for a living.
I'd say you are off to a good start! Let us know when you crack the Webcam code and figure out the minimum token tip needed to get a woman to call you Daddy.
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3 years ago
You will get better intel following twitter or Instagram accounts of popular "models."
If they have an OG page, the link will be in their account profile/bio.
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3 years ago
The first, and most reliable method is history. If she gave you want you want the last time, she's highly (though never guaranteed!) to do so again.
Next, as others have suggested, is to have a conversation with her. General stuff at first, then increasing focus on what her dances are like, and what you'd like them to be like. Questions like "what are your rules," and "how do you feel about ____?" (Mention one of these BJ's, HJ's, nipple sucking, etc., and see how it goes) can be helpful as well. Note: It's they way she answers more than what she says. The more specific her answer the better. Plus neither of these questions are solicitation for sex. You can ask anyone how they feel about a blow job without it being a quid pro quo offer.
And the test drive is somewhat useful as well, though imperfect. At an extras club near me, many of the dancers who will offer anything up to CFS in VIP will not do anything in the regular lap area that could be illegal. But you can judge her attitude and perhaps get her to talk about VIP options if she gets a good vibe from you (i.e.: She can feel your hard-on through your shorts and see your salacious smile) and trusts you.
Again, much of what and how a dancer will signal you about her VIP's may be controlled by club management. So an alternative source of good intel can come from befriending a bouncer. Chat him up at the door, at the bar, maybe tip him a $20 (don't insult him with less) and he may be at least willing to let you and a dancer go VIP without "safety checks" and might actually point out the best dancers that fit your needs. If the club regularly has extras going on, the bouncer (and usually, but not always the DJ or Manager) will know. He may even have sampled the talent once or twice, or more...
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3 years ago
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ilbbaicnlKeep it in my pants when I do OTC. If I were a stripper it would stand for I like big bucks and I can not lie.
Short answer from P411 member for the last 6 years: yes, it's worth it.
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3 years ago
This why I keep a travel-size tooth brush, tooth paste, and mouthwash in the side cabinet panel in my bathroom. When a new/diff SB is coming over, I pop in a new set and she feels special. Then I raw dog her from behind, because... why not.
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3 years ago
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
@Papi_Chulo, one way it could be even worse than transition surgery is if she wants to use @Rick as the "tissue" donor!
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3 years ago
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TetradonI'll act nicer if you'll act smarter.
All good. All true. Well done.
@Founder, this should be linked from the home page forever.
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3 years ago
Important clarification, please:
Male cum or female? It makes a difference.
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3 years ago
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
@Rick, don't miss out on bigger opportunity here. Sure agree to see her more often to enable the surgery. BUT make sure you also ask her to provide a few (3-5?) sessions for free AFTER she heals. If you're going to buy them, you should get to play with them.
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3 years ago
Technically accurate review with virtually zero useful information other than drink prices. Meanwhile IF the club has retained it's special charms, the reviewer missed the virtual walks of shame and the smell of fresh jizz on stale carpet.