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3 years ago
Pretty face is a must. Engaging and flirty attitude a must. I prefer petite girls with a round ass. Not a phat ass. A firm round ass and a toned body. Tanned legs are a bonus. Been on a bender where I lean towards mocha AA’s with a white girl body.
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5 years ago
Sounds typical to me. Strippers have their own way of thinking. If you try to make sense of it you will drive yourself crazy. If you think it is ever anything more than about money....that's when you start to fail. She isn't flakey. She just had something better to do. You are always just an option....sometimes the best at that moment. Don't let the illusion cloud your judgement. Just accept it and enjoy the good times.
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5 years ago
Moved to 90% OTC with ATF. Only go to clubs if I can't see her. Been hitting the clubs hard the last few years and kinda burned out with it right now.
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5 years ago
LW - I find dancers are using their cell number/social media and the club as a conduit to various activities OTC. I find the dancer who doesn't a rare breed these days.
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5 years ago
Hard to say anything about a Unicorn just because I don't know how other PLs are other than the ones who post here. Even at that everyone has different interest. Plenty don't want a CF and want variety. Others like the less (relatively) hassle/risk with a CF.
I wasn't looking for a ATF/DS but I got attached to one. It has mostly been great and worth it for me. It started out as a regular ITC and I paid above market to keep her attention. When schedules didn't align OTC was sprinkled in. Over several months it became 80/20 OTC/ITC. We have become pretty good friends along the way and just have fun when we are together without any bs or pressure.
Honestly I don't see myself in this situation ever again and wasn't looking for it this time. For now I am riding the wave knowing it will end one day.
Maybe that makes me a Unicorn.
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5 years ago
It just depends on what experience you are looking for. I am not concerned with keeping track or how someone else thinks about it.
Sometimes a smash and run is in the cards while others savoring the experience is more desirable.
How you or someone else qualifies it is irrelevant.
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5 years ago
Yes. Just depends on my mood the club and the girl. I would say I trend toward 70/30 OTC/ITC.
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5 years ago
20 or so I would guess All with the same ATF. Maybe a third were platonic - hanging out, dinner, coffee, no business. Hell she picked up the tab a few times. We still meet up ITC but it transitioned to about 80% OTC earlier this year.
I have a couple more on deck that have been bugging me about OTC. Just haven't had time and I prefer the ATF when I do. But see the others ITC enough to keep them on deck.
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5 years ago
I have had better luck transitioning a DS into a repeat OTC relationship. I see a dancer I like. Get some dances and just ask her if she is interested. Some say no but most say yes honestly.
We have a platonic meeting/lunch/dinner/coffee and work out the business then just fun from there. We understand the expectations and rules.
Do some flake at times? Yes. We discuss this upfront and I have had to send some along their way.
I have grown to prefer the middle between OTC and Arrangement. The ITC or even lappers is just the first interview.
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5 years ago
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Sounds like a fun gal. She comes with a warning label so just proceed with extra caution. Could be a blast though.
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5 years ago
Me and my ATF will have some drinks and apps before the super bowl. Then after a while we work up an appetite and hit a restaurant on typical encounters. Sometimes we will go to a nice restaurant first and then to the game. We mix it up. Just depends on our mood.
We were so spent from playing last week we just got Uber Eats and put on some Netflix.
Good times
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5 years ago
Just depends on the club, level of activity, and quality of talent. A typical LD Factory maybe $200 - $400 for quality. A UHM club with A level talent can be in the $600 - $1000 range. I tend to frequent nicer clubs and don't go bargain hunting.
I admit I don't go out of my way to drive the prices down. If I see what I want, and I know the market, I will pay slightly above. It has worked well for me.
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5 years ago
Here you go....https://www.tuscl.net/article.php?id=46846
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5 years ago
First of all OTC can be very dangerous. Just a few days ago a PL posted about almost getting jumped by some dudes in a hotel room. I suggest you search these forums for the OTC guide. It is spot on. You cannot be to cautious.
It is like poker - if you can't spot the sucker at the table it is you. She is playing chess and you are playing checkers.
Don't get me wrong - if it is a regular, CF, DS that you have spent some ITC time with for a while then you increase your odds of sniffing out trouble. It isn't fool proof but it can show red flags if they exist.
Be safe
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5 years ago
Someone more skilled than I might be able to link the OTC guide here. It is pretty spot on.
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5 years ago
My Fav 7Ups
Mons - Tampa
BBD - Dallas
Flight Club - Detroit
Mens Club - Houston
The Lodge - Dallas can be fun and the ladies are hot no doubt. Just a different vibe with the whole evening gown thing. Have to be in the mood for that type of club.
Will swing by Cheetah sometime. It is hard when other clubs are more fun.
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5 years ago
I am not opposed but discretion should be at a maximum.
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5 years ago
Tampa club girls are decent - sans Mons which most are young and hot. Even the high mileage clubs have a median of 6 imo. A few hotties, a few that will do, and some no goers.
Flight Club in Detroit, a few in Lexington,KY, and The Pony in Huntsville, AL consistently have very good looking dancers on average....with FC the only one with mileage available. Most clubs will have one or two hotties.....these usually have a bunch of them. There are some outliers but in general this is my experience from the lakes to the gulf.
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5 years ago
To me southern women are more attractive. As far a clubs go it is a club thing. There are some rust belt clubs that have some absolute hotties working there and some southern clubs that I wonder how they stay open with all of the dogs in there. If a club can have higher hotness requirements and can keep the doors open then it doesn't matter where it is located.
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5 years ago
3 is about average. More or less depending on talent level, timing..... In the end the vast majority will negotiate. Never accept their first or second offer. How much you want to haggle is up to you. The talent can be really good at FC so I wouldn't ever go in looking for a bargain.
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5 years ago
I have been an RIL once and I got burned, mostly emotionally and it was my fault. I have had a few CF's since, and my ATF now and am attached but with my guard up. It has morphed into more of an arrangement ITC & OTC.
I know it is going to end one day so I just keep it at a distance like I would any other vice. Just got enjoying the ride.....albeit with my guard up at all times.
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5 years ago
Variety is great. But when you strike gold and find the ever elusive one it makes all of the SS you had to sift through to find her worth it and less willing to endure more SS for a while chasing another illusion.
This PL can only take so much SS at a time.
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5 years ago
Hard pass. I have a zero tolerance for fruit loops. I don't care what she looks like. And this one isn't my type anyway. Too made up/fake.
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5 years ago
I have a yes, no, or maybe scale. You would be a yes on looks alone to give you a chance.
Personality would determine how often I would repeat. And ultimately what we were both looking to get out of the deal. If you were confident without being stuck up, could hold a conversation, and seductive enough to entice me I would give you a spin or two.
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5 years ago
I would just keep it pay for play right now. If you keep seeing her and want to it could develop into more of an arrangement.
IME when a girl is hitting you up for money this early it isn't a good sign.
I have had arrangements for months at a time where after a handful of ITC I just put it out there what else I was looking for. We agreed o. The business and never discussed it again....just had a good time. Now I was very generous because I really liked her and she was beyond a 10 in my books. But we enjoyed hanging out. Lots of times we didn't even knock uglies but we still had fun.
It doesn't happen often which I why I paid up and don't regret it a bit. We still have fun just less often due to other commitments.
But again she never straight hit me up for money. Just keep it play for pay for now to keep things clear.