What is your breaking point to bail on ITC/OTC and just hire a pro?
herbtcat
Cool Cat in the Valley
Thursday, September 5, 2019 9:01 PM
So there are many recent posts about how to negotiate for extras either ITC or OTC and looking at some of the prices reported (noting that fees vary by market) it makes me think; how much are you really willing to pay for that potential experience, knowing the risks include:
1. ROB's
2. Nosey bouncers
3. Lack of privacy
4. Getting sloppy seconds (or thirds. fourths, fifths, etc.) without her taking a shower and cleaning up
Is there a point when you say, "Nope" I'll just hire a pro from my go-to escort site or call my go-to Sugar Baby."?
Top be sure, there are risks form hiring a pro and sugaring, but I posit they are easier to mitigate and less likely to occur.
So, what's your break-even amount, if you have one?
1. ROB's
2. Nosey bouncers
3. Lack of privacy
4. Getting sloppy seconds (or thirds. fourths, fifths, etc.) without her taking a shower and cleaning up
Is there a point when you say, "Nope" I'll just hire a pro from my go-to escort site or call my go-to Sugar Baby."?
Top be sure, there are risks form hiring a pro and sugaring, but I posit they are easier to mitigate and less likely to occur.
So, what's your break-even amount, if you have one?
Got something to say?
Start your own discussion
33 comments
My "breaking point" wasn't based on money but instead on picking up chlamydia from a stripper. Symptomless, and if I hadn't gone in for testing I would never have known that I was a carrier. That was my breaking point and when I started with SA.
I dislike ITC for all the reasons listed by @Herb: (1) bouncers (2) lack of privacy (3) sloppy-seconds. I'll also add (4) being rushed and (5) obnoxious blaring music in the background and(6) STDs. I haven't done any ITC in years and barely consider ITC sex. It's also expensive since you're supporting a brick-and-mortar establishment.
Don't like escorting, either. Too impersonal and transactional.
There's a lot of overlap b/w sugaring and seeing a dancer OTC over an extended period. Thing is, strippers don't seem to understand that SA has blown the supply-and-demand curve radically in our favor. In fact, the quality in a major metro area is probably better online than in a strip club. I've run into dancers who think sugaring involves buying them a condominium and new car. Well, good luck with that..
Escorts sound good for a quick time if you're hard up.
Strippers generally seem to fall somewhere in between. I like the variety at your fingertips and the try-before-you-buy option.
I agree that the supply curve for sugar is astronomically high. But the downside is the time required to wade through 10-20 potentials to find one good, fuckable SB that isn't annoying as fuck when hanging out.
As I read the comments, I see that where people land is more a function of their reason for going to a club, hiring a pro, or "dating" a SB. The presumed goal implied in my question was that the PL wants to nut, preferably under ideal (or near ideal) circumstances. But that may not be a universal goal, or at least not the top goal.
Still, I'd appreciate seeing more input from VIP forum members.
It's still the goal for many, just they have a preference on how to achieve-it/go-about-it
Just asking - sure others want to know too!
We have a platonic meeting/lunch/dinner/coffee and work out the business then just fun from there. We understand the expectations and rules.
Do some flake at times? Yes. We discuss this upfront and I have had to send some along their way.
I have grown to prefer the middle between OTC and Arrangement. The ITC or even lappers is just the first interview.
For me, I need the face to face before deciding to try ITC/OTC.
The online world of SA seems too flakey, complicated, and crowded to have any real fun.
But the best thing is when the most earnest, long winded manager ever, let's call him Bird Dog, does the slow walk all the way across the floor after you've upgraded to upstairs VIP and tells you that now there's an extra $100 charge to get to the back area of VIP because it's a now a rentable space for private parties. Well, we were having a private party until you shuffled your nosy ass over here. Then he decides to stand there and insist on walking through all the politics involved with changing how the pricing got changed, going to from boner-killer to boner-destroyer. Then you get to sit there while the dancer is doing everything in her power to get things going again, including things she flat out said she wasn't going to do. That's a win, btw. Then after you'd mostly salvaged the VIP in the more open part of the VIP level (because neither of you give a fuck anymore), then Bird Dog is standing on the other side of the upper level waiting to talk with you when you try and go back downstairs. Then when he waves you over into the members only part of the upstairs some other old guy is sitting there. And THEN you get to have an extended chat with the manager on shift and the general manager, part owner.
All that aside, I don't have a list of dealbreakers because every time I think I've seen it all something even strangers happens. Funny thing about Bird Dog is the first time I ever saw the guy I knew he was going to be a problem. It just took a couple of years for it to happen because I usually avoided him. That day I just happened to connect with a dancer who'd been hard to pin down and went with it.
PPM sugar varies by many factors, but mostly it's the geographical market. In Los Angeles, it's not uncommon to see PPM agreements between $300-$500. For me, I am patient enough and use good negotiation skills so I stay in the $300-$400 range.
But in lower-populated areas (and lower talent areas), like Bakersfield or Fresno, the range drops significantly to $150-$250, and the local 8's and 9's are only 6's and 7's in LA.
Sugaring is requires different skills than mongering for ITC/OTC, though there is overlap around negotiating skills. If you have the patience to wade through 10-15 potential sugar babies to find one or two gems, and, ironically, if you can ensure you never treat her like a hooker (some of the PL's here may disagree with me on this - they are wrong), you will find the experience much better than trying to splooge on a pleather sofa while trying not to sit in the last guys splooge at the same time.
Along the way, I figured out that I've had a more sugaring model for all my ATFs all these years... or perhaps that's bass ackwards, I label a stripper "ATF" if we transitioned to this OTC-based, sugar-like model
I kind of enjoyed that too, although in SF, it was always the **illusion** of the bouncer or whomever busting in. In reality, no one was going to bust in anywhere -- there's no law enforcement interest in sexual activity in non-alcohol clubs (there's no law enforcement interest in sexual activity in alcohol-serving clubs either, but there IS interest by the alcoholic beverage commission, which is worse). So, the excitement of getting busy with nothing but a thin curtain separating you from the club, I kinda like it.
Sounds like a PITA to me. To each his own, but I don't have much interest in all the time, effort and drama that seem to come with dealing with these girls, at least from what I've read on here and elsewhere. I go to the club, drink, enjoy naked girls and, if the stars align, finish the night elsewhere with one. Good times.
But to each his own. If I was single with ample time to play around with this stuff, I might feel differently. But as-of now I have neither the time and patience to wade through countless girls online, including the fakes, flakes and girls with unreasonable expectations, just to finally be able to schedule something with a decent find.
So if my sugar date (I rotate about 5 of them) falls through, I know I can go to a local extras club and get what I want for $200-$400 most of the time. If I'm going to a club for some other reason, like with a buddy, I'll only indulge beyond standard LD's if a suitable "target of opportunity" presents itself. But even if I don't close any deals, I still tend to collect 2 or 3 phone numbers for possible future OTC opportunities.
Pros, Suagrs, and Strippers all on speed dial! What could go wrong? :p
ld, what do you mean about "contacts" (SB profiles?) being "sent" to you? What site are you on? On SA, you just run a search and pick out who you want. SBs will message you, too, but many of those are scammers
ECCIE has only been useful to me when I was travelling in Ireland and the UK 12 years ago, not in the US.
I have not looked at it since FOSTA/SETSA was passed, so no idea what use it may have now.