Otc

49 comments

• Warrior15

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  5 years ago

  If she is spending 18 hours with you and you are getting multiple Pops ? Then you are getting a good deal. $500 for one hour of sex is too much. But spending an entire day ? If I enjoyed the girls company,, I would pay that.
• prevert

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  5 years ago

  I would be worried she takes the money and skips out early. 18 hours is a long time to be alone with a person you don’t really know.
• chowder

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  5 years ago

  I have paid more and less. If it is just an 18 hr date sounds good. If more is going to happen that is a great deal.
• Uprightcitizen

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  5 years ago

  Kidneys go for like $250k on the black market. You only need one so you should be ok (if she does not get too greedy).
• Papi_Chulo

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  5 years ago

  If you're getting sex (which is what I assumed) then it's a good deal for basically an overnighter - but if it's just her hanging out with you it wouldn't be worth it to me (too much $$$ to just hang out)
• Call.Me.Ishmael

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  5 years ago

  Seems like a good deal if you're getting what you want as often as you want it. Just make sure that she understands what you want.
• Subraman

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  5 years ago

  18 hours for a first OTC? You've got moxie, son! $500 is completely reasonable if there's sex. I'd pay $0 if there's no sex.
• Cristobal

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  5 years ago

  18 hours is a LONG time even with a person you like, I say you don't make it past 8 hours. $500 for sex and eight hours of company is a good price. Be clear with her what you expect: hanging out is too ambiguos.
• BofItech

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  5 years ago

  18 hrs was just an estimate. Meeting late this afternoon then she’s spending night. So depends when she gets up and leaves
• Dolfan

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  5 years ago

  If it's worth it to you, then it's fine. It's probably more than I'd pay, but its certainly not so high as to be outrageous or too low to be insulting. I'd disagree with being explicit about what you want, but you've got to consider your "relationship" and if that's appropriate or not. If it's purely business then go ahead, but if not trying to make it about x dollars for y sex is going to make her think about it that way and behave accordingly. Again, its about what you want.
• herbtcat

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  5 years ago

  The value is there at $500 as long as you get your needs met. BUT: Only give her the gift when she leaves. Nothing in advance. If she's a ROB she will bounce out as soon as she gets the cash, knowing you will never call LE on her.
• rickdugan

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  5 years ago

  Good Lord, you actually want to listen to this chick for 18 straight hours? You really must be starved for female companionship. But yes, $500 is beyond reasonable to keep her occupied for a whole day and night, especially if you get laid along the way.
• Liwet

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  5 years ago

  I'd say $500 is a good deal on the condition that you'll be paying less for the same thing the next time it happens.
• Subraman

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  5 years ago

  -->"I'd say $500 is a good deal on the condition that you'll be paying less for the same thing the next time it happens." In all honesty, this is a thought I had as well. Even in the most expensive area in the country, I'm not paying $500 for OTCs. But that's because I don't negotiate overnights or even time -- initial negotiation is just for a vague OTC, we get to a number we're happy with (say $350), and then I spring dinner and drinks on her... and if she decides to spend overnight with me, hey, that's great. But once we have our number, that's the price If you're negotiating for a loooong date plus overnight from the beginning, $500 is totally reasonable. My only concern is, now $500 is the price, in her mind. If the next OTC is 5 hours, will she still expect $500?
• Bamaeight

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  5 years ago

  So you started off just as a date. Looks like things have now changed to 500 bucks to see her. If this is overnight meeting just remember that you will end up going for dinner, drinks, and lots of other activities plus you’ve agreed to give her rent money and don’t know what your getting out of it. I only see one person OTC and we have become very good friends with lots of extras inside and outside. My advice would be to just make short date to “hangout” or just meet for sex if that’s what your looking for. If things work out extend it and enjoy each other for as long as you want. Very hard to put her on the clock with expectations unless both of you understand that’s what you and her want. Remind yourself it’s for fun but for OTC, it’s got to be fun for both. Other wise take your 500 go to club and enjoy afternoon with lots of girls.
• bullzeye

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  5 years ago

  Good luck. And let us know how it turns out...
• Subraman

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  5 years ago

  Definitely, report back!
• BofItech

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  5 years ago

  Went well. She got rid of the clothes pretty much as soon as she got in the room. Had some fun then went to get something to eat and hung out downtown for awhile. Went back to room for another round of fun. Went to sleep and she woke up pretty early around 5 am played a little bit and she took off for home. Said she wants me to come to her place next time. Will just have to see where things go from here. Not looking to be a sugar daddy but if it’s just to visit every once in awhile with money not expected will probably continue but 3 hour drive is a ways to go. She contacts me pretty much daily so playing it by ear for now. Thanks everyone for all the advice.
• RandomMember

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  5 years ago

  Sounds like she enjoys your company and $500 is a good deal in most parts of the country. I've only done overnights a handful of times and doesn't work for me. I don't get any sleep because of the sexual tension and I'm afraid of snoring or something. You said you don't want to be a SD -- but any long-term paid arrangement fits my definition.
• Subraman

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  5 years ago

  Sounds good. You know how I know a woman has ATF or sugarbaby potential with me? We have sex, and then I still want to take her to dinner and hang out. The drive to her is 3 hours one way, or 3 hours round trip? one way is too fucking far. round trip, ain't no thang, IMO.
• BofItech

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  5 years ago

  Things may have just changed. It’s 3 hours one way. But she just texted me wanting money so think this is a one time short lived thing
• DenimChicken

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  5 years ago

  She wants MORE money from this encounter or is just asking for money w/o anything in return?
• BofItech

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  5 years ago

  She just wants me to send her money to help her fix her car
• DenimChicken

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  5 years ago

  Yep - things have just changed. Good while it lasted, enjoy the view from the rear view mirror as she gets smaller and smaller.
• Bamaeight

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  5 years ago

  Run like hell and block the number. Never look back
• K

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  5 years ago

  She is testing you. Tell her you are happy to help her but you think advancing her money will confuse the situation. Look for some other things to do in her area and make a weekend of it. A three hour drive for some good sex and a weekend away isn't bad.
• RandomMember

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  5 years ago

  "She is testing you." ______ +1
• RandomMember

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  5 years ago

  "Tell her you are happy to help her but you think advancing her money will confuse the situation. " _____ Disagree slightly. I would just give a simple "no" to establish boundaries.
• Subraman

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  5 years ago

  AGree. No passive aggressive excuse necessary. You can couch it in warmer terms to soften the blow, but it has to be "no" with no manufactured excuse.
• K

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  5 years ago

  there is no manufactured excuse. From his posts I assume he is open to more P2P sessions. telling her he is happy to help but that he will not advance her money for sessions that will (probably not) happen in the future, in my opinion, is not passive aggressive. It sets a clear boundary. It is a P2P relationship and he is not stupid.
• Subraman

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  5 years ago

  K, gotcha, I might have over-worded it a bit. "would confuse the situation" feels like something she can (and probably will) latch onto to see what he means, challenge it, assure him she won't be confused, etc. A simple "no" is a bit too terse, at least for me; my typical response is "I'm not comfortable sending money in advance of our meetings, but would be happy to see you again ASAP" or something to that effect
• K

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  5 years ago

  subraman, fair enough. I think we both mean the same thing but we are quibbling over how we say it. Is this one of those things we are expected to insult each other and create some troll accounts to attack each other ?
• nofuglies

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  5 years ago

  It amazes me that most of you think $500 wasn't a steal of a bargain. The way you guys suck up to Nicespice, you would be at the ATM in minutes if she made you that offer. Sadly, based on her comments, you wouldn't get her for sex even adding another zero. Not meant to be a knock on Nice in any way, shape, or form. Just sayin
• King_Gambrinus

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  5 years ago

  I agree with nofuglies. There’s been plenty of times I’ve dropped $500 in a few hours at a club on drinks/cover charge/dances/tips and left without getting extras. $500 for an overnight with a stripper you’re attracted to I think is a fair deal.
• Subraman

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  5 years ago

  I don't think there's anyone who didn't say it's a fair deal, for an overnight. Every single person agreed -- you're agreeing with the rest of us in the thread, if you describe it as "a fair deal". Nofuglies said "steal of a bargain". To the extent I hedge at all, it's that I think it's a mistake to negotiate overnights with strippers. Not just overnights -- to negotiate for time at all. My experience with strippers is that if you negotiate for an OTC for (say) $350, no time period specified, there's a good chance she'll hang out for hours. If you get drunk together, there's a good chance she'll crash in the room with you. Or, perhaps, another way to say it: even in one of the most expensive areas in the country, I've done overnights with strippers for under $500 -- because I didn't negotiate an overnight. I negotiated an OTC, we got drunk, and she stayed in the room. I've done this a LOT. THAT is why I think it's fair, but not a steal of a bargain. Yes, if I approached OTC like negotiating with escorts, and negotiated to pay for an overnight right from the beginning, $500 for a hot stripper is a steal of a bargain. But the whole point for me is, I don't ever approach OTC negotiation that way. It's just a complete difference in mindset on how to approach OTCs and overnights
• rickdugan

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  5 years ago

  ===> "Not looking to be a sugar daddy but if it’s just to visit every once in awhile with money not expected will probably continue but 3 hour drive is a ways to go." Ok, you're not being clear dude. You DID give her the $500 for the initial meetup, right? Why would you think that she wouldn't expect money in the future? If what you're trying to say is that you don't want to be a long distance ATM then I completely understand. I agree with others who say that she is testing the boundaries of your new "relationship" to see what she can get. I also have zero interest in an SD arrangement as it is too ambiguous and the ROI is just not there. when you factor in extra lump sums for one-off emergencies. If what you are saying is that you don't want to pay her at all, then you're just being unrealistic and maybe duplicitous. You went into this knowing full well that she was seeking a commercial arrangement and if you didn't pay her the first time then you got one for free.
• RandomMember

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  5 years ago

  @Dugan wrote: " I also have zero interest in an SD arrangement as it is too ambiguous and the ROI is just not there. when you factor in extra lump sums for one-off emergencies." ___________________ Everyone has there own definition of what a sugaring arrangement amounts to. For example, I don't give any money for one-off emergencies, I've never gone shopping, and I've never taken a girl on an international trip. I'm pretty generous with cash, though. My definition is any kind of long-term paid arrangement where there's at least something beyond having sex -- and you still enjoy hanging out after the sex (as @Subra put it). Example of SB/SD arrangement: @JohnSmith meeting an 18-yr-old in a strip club, $1000 per meet, going on shopping trips, and international travel, stretching on for several months. Example of what is not a sugaring arrangement: @Warrior meeting a 19-yr-old on SA, fucking her in the ass, and dumping after the 2nd date. The ROI *is* there if you find the right girl, she's sane, responsible, intelligent, very attractive, you're both tested, and enjoy each other's company. That's my opinion; it doesn't coincide with the average stripclub monger. If I had a nice date like the @OP and she asked me for car money the next day, I would respond in some way that shows I have a spine and don't want to be treated like an ATM. Being treated like an ATM is *not* the same as being an SD -- and that's precisely what @Dugan is implying.
• nicespice

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  5 years ago

  Nofuglies said —>“The way you guys suck up to Nicespice, you would be at the ATM in minutes if she made you that offer. Sadly, based on her comments, you wouldn't get her for sex even adding another zero.” The way you guys suck up to Nicespice, you would be at the ATM in minutes if she made you that offer. Sadly, based on her comments, you wouldn't get her for sex even adding another zero.” I’m just going to throw it out there that if somebody wishes to help me out with $5k, I’m not saaaaying I’ll have sex, but erm...feel free to PM me.
• nofuglies

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  5 years ago

  in the words of the infamous Arte Johnson... "verrrrrry interesting".
• BofItech

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  5 years ago

  I’m not against giving her something if we are together at the time but sending her money whenever she wants something isn’t going to happen.
• Michigan

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  5 years ago

  Well at least now we've established nicespice is a whore ... We're now just haggling over price.
• greedyboy

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  5 years ago

  Michigan is right. It will all be downhill from here and Money is the only thing she wants.
• skibum609

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  5 years ago

  I wouldn't spend 18 hours with a dancer/escort if she paid me $500.00.
• rockie

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  5 years ago

  Tell her that while you like her company, you didn't adopt her finances!
• chowder

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  5 years ago

  I would just keep it pay for play right now. If you keep seeing her and want to it could develop into more of an arrangement. IME when a girl is hitting you up for money this early it isn't a good sign. I have had arrangements for months at a time where after a handful of ITC I just put it out there what else I was looking for. We agreed o. The business and never discussed it again....just had a good time. Now I was very generous because I really liked her and she was beyond a 10 in my books. But we enjoyed hanging out. Lots of times we didn't even knock uglies but we still had fun. It doesn't happen often which I why I paid up and don't regret it a bit. We still have fun just less often due to other commitments. But again she never straight hit me up for money. Just keep it play for pay for now to keep things clear.
• rogertex

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  5 years ago

  Bofitech - you are handling it well. Only thing I have changed over the years is: 1. Establish trust and likeness for each other (only to a certain degree). 2-3 ITC visits. 2. Never accept a free OTC date. Always compensate for dancers time, even if the dancer insists otherwise. Stick to going rate for the market. Not below. Not above. 3. It's just me - and against common wisdom, I state that compensation is only for time and companionship of dancer. Anything beyond that is between two consenting adults and money will not be involved. Step 1 eliminates ROBs, cold bitches, prudes and generally ensures OTC with a dancer that has good sexual appetite. (There have been some miscues) Step 2 sets boundaries - a lesson I have learned. Dancer brings beauty, charm (honey). Customer brings money. It's no more and no less. I went on a few OTC dates for free and they went emotional and with expectations. Then Step 3 usually results in a fucking good time with a superfine hottie ! Fucking good time usually is fucking and sucking but I'm really ok even without it. Hence I can afford to be less demanding upfront. I believe the most difficult OTC part for veteran TUSCL members is moving to newer and different dancers for OTC because many previous OTC dates want repeats - and TUSCL guy - if anything - is someone who likes variety. Plenty of it.
• Jascoi

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  5 years ago

  as it been said... variety is the spice of life...
• chowder

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  5 years ago

  Variety is great. But when you strike gold and find the ever elusive one it makes all of the SS you had to sift through to find her worth it and less willing to endure more SS for a while chasing another illusion. This PL can only take so much SS at a time.
• stripperlover777

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  6 months ago

  $500 Sounds Good But Would Require Atleast 1 Whole Night, May B She Would Do More Than A Night, Food & Other Small Things I Would Still Do As Extras For Her. Would Need The Whole Performance Though. Good Luck, This Dancer Needs Help! ✔️ 💲 ♥️