Comments by GSWx4

Alucard “NEVER had a Dancer confess to lying. Sounds like SS to me.” LOL at the SS comment – she lied to me by telling me the truth. Now that is devious! But seriously, sometimes I think I must live in some different SC world than a lot of my fellow TUSCLers. I expect strippers to lie. I encourage strippers to lie. For their own protection as well as my own amusement. I never confront strippers with their lies. I have nothing to gain or lose either way so why be rude. On RARE occasions they can be honest though. With this girl it wasn’t some kind of SS. More of a case of just not cut out to be a stripper. The fact that she had fabricated an alternate life story is completely normal to me. Truthfully it was the *extreme* guilt that she had combined with the *everything* comment that struck me. But as to confessions, I think sometimes strippers have a need to confess to someone in an attempt to somehow hang onto reality rather than be consumed by the lies that they often end up living. A telling confession (of sorts) I once got was when a stripper friend went to an all day/night party instead of her court date. In the club the next day I asked if she had gone to court - meaning that morning to make sure they didn’t issue a warrant. She started telling me how she had missed court due to an emergency and proceeded to tell me that her friend was in a terrible accident. I voiced my sympathy just as another dancer came up and thanked me again for taking her to the party. My friend looked at me and said: “I have no idea why I just lied to you. Didn’t we talk at the party?” Yes my dear, for about two hours - mostly about how you were blowing off your court date in order to be at the party.

SnakePlissken. “Germany has cheap, legal, clean, and hot prostitutes. Why would you bother visiting a German strip club.” Two different experiences. The whorehouses tend to be warehouses full of prostitutes or high-priced spas where the sole purpose is to pay and get a nut. SCs are more like the states. You can sit, drink great beer, watch/talk with naked women and for those who partake, the full menu is still available. To each his own. BTW *clean* is a relative term.

shadowcat “I have looked at a lot of reviews for clubs ouside the U.S. just for comparrison. Excluding Canada & Mexico, Israel appears to have the best clubs for what guys on TUSCL are looking for. Dancer quality, mileage and value.” Best certainly have to start with Thailand, Philippines, and Colombia. Germany and Spain are both good and I like Central America but the danger level is probably too high for most TUSCLers. My experiences with clubs in Israel were less than thrilling - high-priced whorehouses. IMO/E most clubs outside of the States beat U.S. clubs on all three counts. Yes there are many that are prohibitively expensive but the opposite is much more common (going to the tourist clubs is usually a mistake). In the case of ramrise’s review, again in my opinion, they saw him coming and took advantage of him. If you read DodgerBulldog’s review of the same club from 2007 you will have a better appreciation of what ramrise could have had. Unfortunately there is little coverage of foreign clubs in the form of reviews on TUSCL. Thus those people who don’t know what they are doing or what to expect become easy prey.

@F_D. It is important to define terminology in any serious debate/discussion. The common usage of the terms conservative and liberal have become simple pejorative labels. In fact those common uses are merely descriptors of two sides of the same coin and neither side is entitled to lay claim to either term. These are the people who believe that they have the right and duty to dictate to others – what to do, what not to do, what to believe, what not to believe, etc. In short they are elitists who in their hearts believe themselves to be superiour to all others who *must* submit to them. The competing political ideologies are mere smoke screens in a competition to determine who will be the slave master. Unlike the 1984 Orwellian usage, true conservatives and liberals (in the literal definition) are exactly the same people. They believe in individual freedom, self reliance/responsibility and have little or no interest in what others do as long as there is no negative effect on innocents or the safety/security of the common society. Now back to my whiskey.

“so tell me the worst stripper car you've seen” That would be the stripper’s car that was torched in the club parking lot one night. And just to burst the stereotype bubble, I knew a dancer who drove a brand new Corvette that she paid cash for. It probably took her only about a month to earn that much.

I’ve encountered this many times over the years but not as frequently as you describe (20 times in 10 months). If this is all happening with the same girl you’ve either picked someone who is probably playing a very dangerous game or she is innocently in a dangerous situation and should find another job far, far away. As for handling the general situation, I make sure every dancer I’m with knows that she can leave anytime she wants. They rarely do. I admit to sometimes amusing myself by screwing with the stalkers and spending more time/money to keep the dancer to myself (sometimes to the end of her shift). Other than that I simply ignore the sorry fucking losers. When I’m on the other side of the equation, I let the dancer know I’m there (visually or stage tipping). I then give her 20 minutes to free herself or I leave. And any guy that interrupts a dancer and customer (directly or indirectly) is disrespecting both of them. He should *expect* to have a cap popped in his ass.

The true extent of sex slavery would shock even the most cynical person. Its victims are not limited to poor Hispanic or eastern European immigrants. Africans, Asians and many born and bred US citizens are virtual or literal slaves. While their chains may be psychological terror, drug addiction or threats/acts of physical violence against themselves or family, sometimes those chains are also literal. I am in favor of decriminalizing prostitution in the US but that is NOT a solution to the problem. Sex slavery exists in Canada, Europe and other locals around the world along side of legal prostitution. Next to pedophilia, this is perhaps the sickest and most unforgivable of crimes against humanity. Consenting adults means *ADULTS* and *ALL* parties are consenting. And yes, if you frequent SCs you have most probably encountered sex slaves whether you know it or not.

A thief is a thief and they should be prosecuted criminally. As for the corporation, whether the stolen information provided them with a competitive advantage or not there is no plausible reason that they would accept it other than the hope that it would. A civil suit may be the best recourse to gain an upper hand competitively for the injured party – Hooters. Business is business. As far as Hooters, there is a disparity in quality of servers around the country based mostly on the pool of available talent. Food-wise, not very good with only a few items that are decent. I’ve never been to a Tilted Kilt but I was stuck next to a Twin Peaks for about a week. While their menu looks good the food sucks. I tried eight different items and none were acceptable. There was also only one server/bartender who had any customer service skills. The costumes were not a bikini-like top but rather a tight, red and black plaid half shirt. A plaid lumberjack theme? Really? Must be a fetish thing or something. They did do bikini car washes though. Doubt that they will be a serious competitor or possibly even survive. As a side note I recently met a dancer who used to be a Hooters Girl. Is Hooters a gateway for strippers???

Hate to call it stupidity and it was a stripper so it’s not fair but… In a full liquor club that is notorious for hiring under aged (not yet 21) girls despite the local liquor laws. Dancer asks me to buy her a drink. I tell her I would be happy to *IF* she is old enough. In her most indignant voice she says “I’m 22.” I ask, “What year were you born?” Glassy eyes, open mouth and gears grinding to a halt she just stands there. Another fine product from the US education system.

Can’t say for sure about all dancers but I’m reminded of when a dancer was trying to clean up her life and got a job as a cocktail waitress. She was so proud she told me that she was “now brushing her teeth and wearing panties.”

@f_d. No problem. I only make offers like that if I’m sure they won’t be accepted (please don’t tell that to your fellow strippers).

@f_d. A difference in perspective no doubt and my perspective seems more and more to be unique. If you *promise* not cry and don’t mind if I drink a few beers first I might be willing to listen to *your* problems. lol

f_d. I never tell a stripper anything about myself but I have listened to many dancers’ problems. Not their SS but sometimes they just feel comfortable enough to open up and if I enjoy their company, I’m polite enough to listen. I do really hate it when they start crying though. I suppose that’s the same for you with PLs.

“I don't have to speak, she defends me, a drunkard's dream if I ever did see” - GD When leaving the club with my sweetheart one night another stripper insulted me as we walked by. My sweetheart turned around, walked up to her and cold-cocked her knocking her off her stripper shoes. I asked why she hit her. She said the other dancer had never been in a fight before and now she had. Never saw the loser again.

@minnow. “In the times I've seen dancers arrive/leave club, they've driven solo, taken a cab, or rode with other dancer. People have been watching too many HBO specials, or listening to bathroom troll.” I agree that the stereotype is over done but I regularly see dancers being dropped off/picked up by some guy. Husband, BF, pimp, brother – who knows – but I see it all the time.

@gmd. Too funny. I knew a dancer quite well who confided she was breaking up with her BF (a married guy) because he was falling in love. She went on to say that though they had been having unprotected sex she was worried because she WASN’T pregnant. WTF? She said she wanted a baby but not a BF/husband. She then gave me a *look* followed by a suggestion. I ran away like a little girl.

I know a divorced dancer whose ex-husband pays child support and still helps with the kids. She said she would rather do without a BF than hook up with a loser. Guess that pretty much eliminates me.

2--music too damn loud 5--fat/ugly dancers (especially if they are slapping their asses)

I used to regularly go to clubs with a close bi-stripper friend. We had different tastes in dancers and she paid her own way so it worked out well. Pitfalls? None. Recently took another girl who was completely straight. We had a good time just checking out a high-end club that she had never worked at – dinner, drinks and eye candy. Pitfalls? She called me crazy for thinking this is what she had in mind when she said she wanted to go out.

Curious post. It might be that the economy is worse than ever. The casinos/hotels have extensive security and have been quick to ensure this doesn’t go on. About six months ago I was sitting at the bar in a casino and a crack whore walked in off the street and propositioned me. She walked straight back out when I declined but I was somewhat stunned because, like I said, IME the casinos don’t allow this to go on out in the open.

@juicebox69. Oh young Jedi Knight you have much to learn. Setting aside the whole p4p thing (which I can understand and appreciate the ease and convenience of though it’s not for me) there are other considerations. Playing Russian Roulette can be thrilling but like a drug some people need it more often and in stronger doses to keep getting the same rush. Should you some day find yourself playing with an ever increasing number of rounds in the cylinder or playing with 4 separate guns in a single day or wake up not having any idea where the latest one came from, perhaps you too will consider limiting yourself to an occasional game loaded with no more than a single round. If on the other hand you really feel lucky you could try using a semi-automatic. There’s always a chance for a misfire. As far as strippers, which I do have a modicum of experience with, worse than not knowing where that pussy has been is *knowing* where it has been.

@GMD. Of course txtitty fan is correct that it is an unknowable answer to a question born out of boredom but your observations were one side of the coin that I considered. I did assume that the guy must be cleaning up but I also thought people were joking about cumming in their pants when I first read that here. Then I wasn’t sure why he was taking another girl for LDs when he got no more than 2 feet out of the men’s room. As I said, I’m not a practitioner so I don’t know what the post-extras rituals are. Always seeking to learn I turn to the TUSCL experts. What I really need is fewer boring nights. :)

@JGoose. No need to be sorry. Just the product of a rather boring night and a wandering mind. To answer your questions: 1) Yes 2) Sure, why not? 3) You didn’t see *these* nekkid women. There’s a reason so many SCs have TVs. @steve229. Great idea. As soon as they subscribe I’ll sue them under the ADA so they have to install a recliner to accommodate that old back injury my doctor is about to give me. @GMD. Hope springs eternal.

@motorhead. You forgot the lame jukebox, lack of a bar to sit at, men’s room the size of a broom closet (equipped with troll), serious over abundance of silicone, and all this for a low $20 cover charge day and night. Maybe I should reconsider but then again, no. Just kidding – enjoy and Tampa appreciates your patronage.

“If the majority of members aren't interested in extras then why are the top two rated clubs a couple bar-brothels in Tiajuana rather than ones in Las Vegas or Miami where clubs are either genrally upscale and/or custom service driven?” Why is the sky blue? Why is Mons Venus - a non-extras club and nothing more than a bus station waiting room decorated in a 1970’s Hugh Hefner style – highly rated? But seriously, two Mexican border town whorehouses that are hardly even close to the best whorehouses in the world? They just happen to be in easy reach of the masses who rate them highly as they’ve never experienced anything like them and are no comparison to their local Déjà Vu.