ITC Stalkers

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• steve_ny

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  13 years ago

  Some guys are harmless, but there are some that are there for a reason. The stalkers are just as creepy in the outside world, I am sure this same guy will circle around Starbuck's trying to get some girl's attention. Makes me nervous for the girls leaving at 4am.
• looneylarry

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  13 years ago

  Haven't really seen the menacing stare-down jerks yet. I'd wonder if she regularly gives ITC extras or why they have have this unnatural obsession. Or whether it is a current or former boyfriend. The most I've seen has been the relatively harmless PL who has really fallen for a dancer but is not looking for a fight and would probably get his ass kicked by all of the guys and probably all of the dancers in the club. The mousey kind of guys that probably live at home with their mothers and have a learning disability of some kind. If you are getting the guys who like to do the stare-down or the license plate stare, I'd be inclined to find another club before they try and re-enact any scenes from "Deliverance".
• sinclair

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  13 years ago

  These possessive guys need to get a life. The dancer is going to spend time with whoever is dropping the most cash. I think we've all run into this situation at some time or another.
• rickdugan

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  13 years ago

  I've seen some of this, but not as extreme. My local fav has a guy who is obsessed and used to follow her around the club, when he wasn't at home dreaming up more elaborate text messages to send to her. And she had a lot of affection for him as well, at least right up until she finished draining his bank account. ;) Another old fav of mine had a guy that was just pathetically obsessed - he would bring her coffee, smokes, etc., and sometimes even run out to get her whatever money he could scroung up. When he could no longer pay for her time, he actually took a job at the club as a bar back (or what I call "bar bitch")! But again, nothing as extreme as what these dudes are doing.
• txtittyfan

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  13 years ago

  You're probably OK as long as you aren't clubbing at 2AM.
• deogol

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  13 years ago

  Damn txtittyfan - ya beat me to it! Stay ... away ... at ... 2:00AM!!!
• shadowcat

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  13 years ago

  When your ATF is not looking, follow the example in my avatar.
• GSWx4

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  13 years ago

  I’ve encountered this many times over the years but not as frequently as you describe (20 times in 10 months). If this is all happening with the same girl you’ve either picked someone who is probably playing a very dangerous game or she is innocently in a dangerous situation and should find another job far, far away. As for handling the general situation, I make sure every dancer I’m with knows that she can leave anytime she wants. They rarely do. I admit to sometimes amusing myself by screwing with the stalkers and spending more time/money to keep the dancer to myself (sometimes to the end of her shift). Other than that I simply ignore the sorry fucking losers. When I’m on the other side of the equation, I let the dancer know I’m there (visually or stage tipping). I then give her 20 minutes to free herself or I leave. And any guy that interrupts a dancer and customer (directly or indirectly) is disrespecting both of them. He should *expect* to have a cap popped in his ass.
• Alucard

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  13 years ago

  Have you talked to the Club management?
• CTQWERTY

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  13 years ago

  Weird. Thankfully I've missed out to date.
• Dudester

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  13 years ago

  Most stalkers are cowards. 9thclient, I don't know your background, but myself, I'd confront the stalker and let him know, in no uncertain terms, that his health is in serious jeopardy by watching. If it continued after that, in the parking lot, I'd seriously fuck him up.
• 9thClient

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  13 years ago

  @steve_ny: Fortunately for both of us, she's a day girl. I rarely hit these joints at night. On the other hand, the day crowd is a crowd more likely to be 'regulars'. But I agree with you regarding guys like this. A stalker ITC is probably a stalker everywhere. @looneylarry: The strange thing about the stalkers she has is they generally seem reasonably well-to-do. Not terribly weird looking (except for one) and clean cut. As for the license plate, I don't know that he did this, but my paranoia entertained the possibility! @rickdugan: I'd consider taking a job as a bar-back pretty freaking extreme! But I've heard some similar stories (re: gifts, etc) from her. @GSWx4: I thought the request to see her while in VIP was ridiculous. I informed the waitress if it happened again, there would be no tip for her. & finally, @Alucard: Only once have I alerted management, as it was a guy who was very clearly disturbed in some fashion or another. He was asked to leave, which he did - I then walked out of the club with her and paid for a valet to retrieve her car. I also escorted her to her apartment to be sure she wasn't followed. I know this isn't a foolproof plan. I also know most of the guys who stalk her spend enough money to gain a little favorable treatment from management. I still think it's weird, but unfortunately, I now know its not unheard of. There are some crazy MF'ers out there!
• txtittyfan

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  13 years ago

  And Douchester is proof some are on TUSCL.
• gatorfan

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  13 years ago

  And most cowards are stalkers but telling difference between an asshole and a stalker there's the challenge.
• steve229

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  13 years ago

  "Have you talked to the Club management?" "most of the guys who stalk her spend enough money to gain a little favorable treatment from management" As 9thClient (is that you, Eliot?) notes, not sure that talking to management would help much, since ITC Stalkers are actually a prized customer demographic for club management (hey, they're ALWAYS in the club). Manager is more likely to throw YOU out for bothering his "better" customers, lol.
• staxwell

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  13 years ago

  .380, Or stop with the 2am visits. Nothing good happens after 2am.
• bang69

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  13 years ago

  1. talk to the management 2. carry a gun. i agree with staxwell. But I'd carry either a .357 snuby or .40 cal pistol with you at all times
• Stiletto25

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  13 years ago

  I've dealt with really creepy shit more than a few times. Ive learned to be very alert and careful.
• Pete22z

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  13 years ago

  Wow I've never dealt with this either. I've been in situations where I've texted a dancer that I was coming in to see her and found out later that she was in VIP with someone else. I actually was pissed at the dancer. Not "I'm gonna get you" pissed, but annoyed that she couldn't ignore this other dude or at least let me know somehow what was going on so I wouldn't waste my evening waiting on her. She was guaranteed VIP time / $$$ by me. Anyway, you could probably let security know what your concerns are, but they probably can't do anything until the stalker actually does something violent. You probably need to seek time with your ATF when she's less in demand or seek another dancer/club. As many clubs as I've been to, I've never frequented one where I thought my personal safety was an issue. That's a deal-breaker.
• lopaw

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  13 years ago

  I've never had the fun of having a stalker mill around menacingly near me. I usually have them come right up to the table and ask my dancer for a dance. Since I'm female, they figure I must be a friend or other employee, so she's fair game. I used to let it go, but not anymore. I pity the fool who next tries to come over and steal my woman!
• deogol

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  13 years ago

  I've never had a stalker problem either. Just a second, I need to go check on someone....
• thesamurai

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  13 years ago

  Lopaw! I pity the fool too!
• racejeff

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  13 years ago

  Yesterday I read this thread and thought never had that experience. Last night sitting with a favorite club was slow so we were sitting and talking planning on going back a room later in evening. She returns from 2nd stage set and says we'll probably need to go back earlier than we thought. Then mentions a guy who tipped at stage, saying he will come over here soon. We then talked about this discussion and she states he's not really a stalker he just knows what he wants and asks for it. Sure enough within 5 minutes he comes over and says can I have a quick 30 minute dance set? We then adjourned to the back room. Also a good example of how good dancers have a notebook on us in their heads.
• 9thClient

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  13 years ago

  Regarding guns - I keep a gun in my car at all times and I'm good with it, so I'm not too concerned about the OTC stalker confrontation. And unless the guy is some MMA ninja (which I doubt because most of these guys are in their 50's), I'm not really concerned about a normal physical confrontation. And Pete, I've had the exact situation - set up a time to meet and then she's in VIP - I was pissed and later informed her that if it happens again I'll find someone who's more considerate of her regulars. But I dont understand a reason (short of some Mexican gang situation!) for me to alter my behavior or schedule for the convenience of bad-apple ITC stalkers. As far as I'm concerned, the stalkers need to alter their behavior, not me.
• Dolfan

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  13 years ago

  I've seen it with seemingly increasing frequency lately as well. I'm really baffled by it. It happens enough where I've sat with dancers and watched guys do it, either stalking her/us or another dancer. It can be fucking funny to watch, I guess most guys assume no one in a strip club is looking at them and they can do some funny shit. Conceptually its a bit disturbing to think someone is "stalking" someone right out in the open like that - think about it, if they're willing to do that kind of shit in public what kind of shit do they pull hiding behind a bush after they follow these girls home? I handle the situation the same way GSW does. Every girl I talk with for more than a few minutes knows she's welcome to leave at any point, and that I genuinely won't hold it against her. I think one dancer has left me to spend time with another customer; he came they danced, she returned, he sat with another dancer. On the other side of the situation I've again got a similar method to GSW. I'll let them know I'm there and wait a bit for her to come over - then move on one way or another. I've never been approached by one of them, I'd almost welcome the opportunity to ask him what the fuck he is thinking. It's unlikely I'd shy away from a physical concentration or initiate one myself though. I leave the .45 in the truck when I go in, I forgot once and the poor dancer almost shit herself when she realized I wasn't just "Happy to see her"
• Pete22z

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  13 years ago

  To each his own. Like I said I've never had to deal with confrontations in the club. Clubbing is a hobby that I like to keep on the down low and isn't worth a violent confrontation to me and or the possible complications that could arise from that. If I have to defend myself then I'll deal with that when it happens, but it's a lot easier to avoid it to me. I could see getting into a fight over a girl I'm dating... but over a girl who sees me as part of her job, not likely.
• mmdv26

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  13 years ago

  Getting "blocked out" is part of the SC game. Most dancers understand this, and go out of their way to avoid it, but it still happens. I have voluntarily relinquished my time with a dancer in order to accommodate some douche bag...I mean customer. Funny how "I'm going to do 2 dances for this guy and then I'll be right back" turns into 45 minutes...or more. It reinforces my belief that one should always keep a couple of balls in the air at the club. I've never received a discount because I was monogamous with a particular dancer. So, if one has trouble staying with me, I just move to another girl...and punish the one who allowed me to be "blocked-out" by not doing dances with her until she is ready to recognize my value...and give me a big discount to make amends. There aren't very many dancers worth fighting over either. Not everybody recognizes that, and that is where the trouble can start. Situational awareness is critical in strip club parking lots after dark...for a lot of reasons.
• 9thClient

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  13 years ago

  Pete - of course you are correct - there is no upside to most physical confrontations regardless of where they may occur. I'm almost entirely unconcerned with a physical confrontation ITC - I doubt it would happen during the weekday when, presumably, most people aren't wasted or totally ignorant. And I don't visit clubs in the hood. If my ATF is busy, I find an alternative or bail. I don't stalk around like a nut. I've never had a physical confrontation in any club and don't plan to start. I was just curious as to who else had experienced this kind of weirdness.
• Stiletto25

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  13 years ago

  Many people talk about not getting violent, getting "blocked out" and finding another dancer, etc.. These are good ideas. There are customers though, I've had one in particular, who don't see finding another dancer or not getting emotional over one particular dancer an option. I am speaking in full honesty when I say this. This customer spent $1500 on me a week without fail for a year an a half. Three days of $500 dances. He honestly thought that the money he spent bought him rights to me. He.would be at the club when I arrived and walk up to my car to make sure "there weren't any guys in there". He wrote me checks for lap dances because he "wanted me to know his address". He had memorized my license plate. He didn't want a backup, he wanted me. I'm glad I got away from him.
• Dougster

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  13 years ago

  mmdv26: "Funny how 'I'm going to do 2 dances for this guy and then I'll be right back' turns into 45 minutes...or more." Because strippers lies about everything.