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12 years ago
Okay, Alucard, I get it. You don't like me, so you'll spend the rest of your life tossing pot shots at me from the sidelines.
Give it a rest, 'K?
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12 years ago
"It is one hell of a lot cheaper to live in the suburbs of Detroit than Los Angeles. "
Yeah, and it's cheaper to live in a cardboard box, too.
Dude, it's fucking DETROIT. Are you kidding? Who the hell wants to live in fucking Detroit?
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12 years ago
Yeah, she is VERY hot. I just hope it's not some douchebag guy posting some crap and her photo, trying to get her in trouble.
Personally, otherwise I think she's legit. And Vavoom, you really need to move to LA. There are lots of clubs that allow lots of mileage, and lots of customers (like me) who would appreciate you more that those clowns in Chicago. And it's cold in Chicago. And no beaches, and you can't go skiing and stuff. LA is much better.
Move to somewhere like Anaheim. There are apartments down the street from Flamingo Theater, and that club is all about high mileage. Really. And I'll be the first guy in line to get a lap dance from you. I'll even walk your dog.
Damn girl, you're hot.
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12 years ago
Okay, in the interest of science, and as a service to the gentlemen of this board, I did a little bit of research in an attempt to understand it all. I checked some numbers for LA and Orange Counties (California) to see if I could put some figures to my quandry.
Turns out there are about 13 million people combined in LA and Orange counties, and about 10% of them are females aged 18 to 24, which I figure is "stripper age". Pretty good sleuthing, huh?
Now, the unemployment rate for teens (aged 16 to 19) in California is around a whopping 34%. For the state as a whole, it's around 10%. So I threw a dart and came up with the 18 to 24 age group unemployment at around 25%. Which means that there are about 325,000 unemployed females in that age group, and for each change of 1% in unemployment there are about 13,000 more females of that age group walking the streeet. Figuratively, of course.
Now, I figure there are something like 85 active strip clubs (out of a total of about 100) in the LA/Orange county area, based on a count from the TUSCL list, and a little handwaving to account for inactive/useless clubs.
So what does that mean? Well, for each 1% increase in unemployment, there are potentially something like 150 girls per club looking for work.
Now, in reality, only a small fraction of those would even consider being strippers. And then only a fraction of those are hot enough. And then only a fraction of those would last more than a week after trying it. And whatever other stuff that I'm not considering.
So what's the point? Hell, I still have no idea. Other than when you think about it, (and as someone else mentioned earlier in this thread and I should have listened to), just because there's a spike in unemployment, that doesn't necessarily mean a lot more girls are available or looking to work at clubs, or things are that bad overall. Though with a 25% unemployment for girls in that age range, that's still pretty bad.
But 13,000 more girls unemployed for every 1% increase in unemployment doesn't seem like all that much, when you figure it's the whole of LA and Orange counties.
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12 years ago
I have given up hope of ever understanding any trends associated with strip clubs. Nothing ever makes sense. Stuff you think would be obvious, doesn't seem to apply.
Economy sucks, and more girls in the workforce than years ago. Which means more girls get laid off when things are bad, therefore more girls available and wanting to work at strip clubs, where presumably anyone can get a job if they're decent looking. But that doesn't seem to be the case. You go into a club and there are 4 average looking girls on shift. Huh? Bad economy?
Economy sucks, therefore more dancers are more eager to make a buck, so they're much more attentive to customers, and work harder while on shift? Not even close. Seems like even more the girls are sitting on their asses texting, or screwing off in the dressing room all shift.
I recall a local club, probably the best around, years ago was offering super high mileage, $20 laps with some hot girls. It pretty much had the market cornered. Excellent place. Then the owners decided to install a $150 VIP section, and make the laps just a warm up/teaser for the VIP. Economy going south, I figured it wouldn't last more than 6 months before they went back to the old setup. And now, many years later, it's still going strong. Go figure. Some guys will lay out $150 like it's candy, even with a crappy economy.
Presumably the negative stigma associated with stripping has lessened as women get more independent and people in general become less "religious". But I'm not seeing it. You'd think the cream of the crop would be out looking for work, and pushing out the less attractive dancers. You'd think it would be a customer's market right now. Nope.
I just don't get it. Any of it.
Sure, the money the strippers are getting is less than years ago. But in a crappy economy, what's their other choice? Everyone is scrambling for jobs, right? High unemployment and all, right? So you either work at the club for less money, or what? Sell pencils on the street corner?
Someone explain it to me. Please.
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12 years ago
Yeah, okay, I'll go with that. I recall a lap dance from a nasty (ie, awesome) black girl with small-average sized breasts (maybe C or so). And she asks if I want a tit fuck. I said yeah, but I really didn't expect much because they weren't big enough.
Then she spits on her hand, lubes her chest, and grabs her nipples and wraps them black titties around my dick. She drools some spit down inside the sandwich, and proceeds to give me the most amazing titty fuck I'd received in a very long time. Now that chick was a pro.
I guess I've received so few really good ones that I'm pretty convinced that there's some skill in there. But the hip thing is very true. You start getting into it and you can drive it home however you want.
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12 years ago
By the way, we've already discussed here that if you did cum from a lapdance, the dancer WANTED you to cum. We all know how hard it is to cum from a lapdance, so she had to put some serious mojo into it to make it happen. Don't worry, she won't be surprised, and if she is then it's her fault for doing what she did. And just don't get a dance with her next time.
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12 years ago
Okay, I'm going to agree 100% with Mr. Shadowcat. And it's one reason I recommend to NOT wear a condom. They end up being more mess than they're worth. If you come in your shorts, commando, with no condom, it's a simple wet spot. But with a condom, too many things can go wrong. You put it on, no hot dancers, your dick goes limp, it's hard to keep in on and fully unwrapped. And when you do get hard, now it's all rolled up so it barely covers the head of your dick. Guaranteed it will fall off on the first butt grind.
So you're sitting in your seat watching the club or whatever, you need to keep checking to see if it's still on right. If not, you gotta reach down inside your shorts and unfurl it again. Pain in the ass.
And when you do get a dance, even if it's on securely, after even a modicum of grinding it's gonna roll up and fall off. But you'll never know. Suddenly you'll see a freakin rolled up condom on the seat between your legs or on the floor.
And then, as you say, after the dance and you've splooged a good one, guaranteed that your dick is going limp pretty soon afterwards, which means the condom, which is already slippery with cum, is going to slide off. So you're always worrying about it.
Dude, just go commando and let it blow. And if you're worried about the manager, don't worry. What, are they gonna bust you for spilling your drink on your shorts? :)
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12 years ago
I really liked her. She seemed to have this "I'm a stripper, and a damn good one, and proud of it", and she really seemed to care about the customers. Though never actually saw her in person, just from what little I read from her here.
How was she doing laps and stuff? Was she one of the dirty girls? yeah, baby...
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12 years ago
The whole "mess" issue is a non-issue, or an excuse. Dancer just grabs a stack of cocktail napkins or whatever to clean up the cum. No big deal.
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12 years ago
Okay, sounds like someone is just talking nonsense here...
Baby oil, despite popular myth, is NOT for getting your dick stroked. It's not goopy enough, and you get sore after a short while. KY jelly isn't right either, it dries too quickly. What are you guys smokin' ?
You need a real lube. Something called Juicy Lube is good, but I'm sure there's others. Real goopy, washes off with water, just perfect. Even comes in flavors. Hell, baby oil is just a mess, I think you need soap to get it off, it just sucks.
Moisturizing lotion also sucks cause it dries to quickly. Real quickly.
Haven't tried grapeseed oil, but I will. Sounds good. Where do you get it? At the local lapdance supply store?
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12 years ago
Okay, now this is an important subject...
First of all, titty fucking is a very difficult thing for a girl to master. You gotta have just the right size tits. Or bigger. Most girls don't have the correct size tits, and the result is your dick sliding on her chest, with her fingers trying to do the job. Which really isn't what it's all about.
And they also have to be floppy enough to wrap around your dick, but also tight enough to provide some stroke pressure. Really saggy, floppy tits are often just too soft to give any real tactile sensation. And at the other end of the scale, if the tits are too hard from implants and don't wrap around the cock enough, you loose the full effect.
But a titty fuck with some big nasty tits can be awesome. But in my experience, it's very rare to get the right combination of tits and skills. And when she has the foresight to squirt some lotion in there, it's game on. But that's all too rare.
And really, a titty fuck is a fairly ideal move for a lap dance. Discreet (no obvious head bobbing or insertion into her naughty bits), yet effective. And honestly, it's tough to equal the flexibility she has with merely using her hands. With her hands she can vary pressure, double up with both hands, vary speed, etc. It's tough to match that with just a pair of big nasty tits.
But the big thing going for a titty fuck is just the thought of having your dick in between a pair of big nasty tits. That's freakin' priceless.
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12 years ago
First of all, black girls are hot. Asian, too. Nothing wrong with hip hop, and booty smakin', and big long fingernails, and tattoos, and weaves, and big asses, and nasty black girls who jack you off with lotion.
And the combination of black and asian can be incredible. Which is why I'm intrigued by DaddysGirl. She says she's part black, with some Hawaiian and Irish in her. Reminds me of the joke, "do you have any Irish in you?", "...would you like some?"
Okay, that's just inappropriate...
Back to the subject...
Now I need to talk to DaddysGirl alone for a minute, so the rest of you guys take off, okay?
Okay, DaddysGirl, sit down a minute. I want to talk to you. Now, tell, me, honestly, why "DaddysGirl"? Because, I've gotta tell you, that's really hot. I love it when a girl calls me "daddy". Combine that with the fact that you're part black and Hawaiian, and damn girl, I just about get a boner.
Black girls are the ones who like to call guys "daddy" during lap dances, and it makes me nucking futs. Really. So do you like to call guys daddy when you're having sex? Because that's just awesome.
And another point...could you, and all the other dancers here, post some really good photos of yourself? Hell, anyone can figure out who you are anyway, so don't worry, just post some photos. We won't tell anyone. BTW, what ever happened to that hot dancer Christal (?) who posted a bunch of really nice photos of herself? Damn, I had a crush on that girl.
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12 years ago
Mostly because the guys are douchebags, and think they're in a cool exclusive club of cool guys because they use cool secret code. But basically douchebags with no life.
And that extends to those who think they're fooling the cops by using idiot code for stuff that anyone with half a brain can figure out. Even someone with no brain. Yeah, saying BBBJCIM instead of blowjob is super secret code.
Speaking of that, there's even a regular poster here who just did a review, and instead of using the dancers' names, typed stuff like O**** and G****. Which I suppose is fine if you're talking about doing naughty stuff, but he wasn't doing, nor did he mention, naughty stuff.
And then there's the "...if you know what I mean" a-holes who fill their reviews with "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" references about naughty stuff. "And I left with a smile on my face, if you know what I mean". Yeah, you're really hiding stuff from the cops, dude.
And then there's the guys who fill their reviews on this and other sites with these obvious references to getting fucked in the VIP, but they think that somehow they're fooling someone by saying stuff like "...and she really took care of junior" or something equally stupid. Or the clowns on another site who, instead of saying "I got fucked for $200", they say "I tipped her $$". Apparently that's much too complicated for law enforcement, but the rest of the planet can figure it out in 10 seconds.
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12 years ago
Oh, and let me ammend my comments a bit to cover you TUSCL regulars, the ones who have ATF's they sit with all shift...y'know, those of you who pay the girls to like you....
If a stripper is sitting with one of you guys, she can ask stuff like "will you pay my rent this month" or "will you walk my dog while I go out with my boyfriend?"
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12 years ago
Y'know, it's really painful to watch you guys trying to be funny. Although the "Art Vandelay" from lopaw was pretty funny. Gotta remember that, I'll use it.
Anyway, it's really, REALLY bad form for a dancer to ask customers stuff like that. I can't stand getting grilled by a stripper. Yeah, they think it's harmless, and they're just trying to make small talk. But geez, at least ask fun stuff, not serious shit we have to come up with answers for. Sometimes I feel like I'm being interviewed for a job. And there are times when the dancer actually starts psycho-analyzing me, or sizing up the kind of person I am. Are you freakin' kidding me? I once had a dancer asking me kinds of questions, and telling me what kind of person I am, and finally when she asked me my sign and I told her, she said some insane shit like "oh, you're one of THOSE" and got up and left.
If you're gonna make small talk, don't ask our occupation, marital status, where we live, what kind of girls we like (geesus, if that's not the freakin' stupidest question...), and on and on with the same inane crap.
If you're gonna ask stuff, ask good stuff. Like "You want me to make you cum, baby?" or whisper in our ear "Baby, you like fucking in public?" or "Should I put on a black fishnet bodystocking, or would you prefer a schoolgirl outfit?".
Y'know, stuff like that. Use your freakin' imagination, don't repeat the same crap over and over and put us on the spot.
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12 years ago
Geez, guys, the comedy in this forum is awesome. Are some of you guys professional comedians? Really, cuz that kind of humor only comes from experts.
Anyway, I've been to Flamingo many times, and never felt dirty. So it's not a negative about the club, it's your reaction. Not saying your reaction is wrong, it is what it is. Kinda like telling a girlfriend "you shouldn't get upset by that..." It is what it is.
But personally I like being in a public lap dance area and watching the nasty stuff the dancers are doing to the other customers. You can obtain really good intel, and it's kinda hot, IMO. Especially if your dancer is a dud, it gives you something to do while you wait for the song to end. Some guys don't like it, some do. And the guys who don't like it can't even comprehend how anyone could. Go figure.
Never forget having a pretty good lapdance from a dancer, but right next to me was a stunner who was grinding a guy's lap, facing away from him, reaching around behind her back and sliding her hand inside his shorts and jacking him off. And while she was doing that she was staring at me the whole time, giving me the nastiest smirk with a "yeah, baby, I'm gonna do this shit to you when we're done" look. It's almost having a 2-on-1 lapdance from two dancers at the same time.
Yeah, that's dirty, and that's nasty. But I loved it. And when it comes down to it, you can respond to things however you want. You can decide that it's just fun, and you're there for a good time, and go with the flow, and not make it into some major emotional battle.
Or maybe there's too much going on psychologically, and it's best for you to go somewhere else. But it ain't the club, it's how you respond to it.
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12 years ago
Yeah, I suppose you could call it lazy if you had an axe to grind with anyone who wasn't as cool as you. But if you don't give a flying fuck about gathering all that awesome intel because it's just a freakin' strip club and some of us don't spend our freakin' lives at strip clubs, then it just ain't worth the hassle. And maybe also because there are a small group of freakin' a-holes who inhabit the place and post nonsensical mindless crap with their buddies, and some of us want to freakin' vomit after reading it.
Yeah, I think that's why it's useless.
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12 years ago
Well, Candy, interesting post. Sounds like you categorize yourself as type 2, the incredibly gorgeous girl who got no rhythm, is that right?
Well, first an observation...based on the photos (and yeah, they're pretty sucky cuz you used your cellphone), I'm kinda (well, very) surprised that Playboy is knocking on your door. Don't get me wrong, you've got a decent body. But wow, a playmate of the month or something?? I find that, well, surprising.
And another comment...sounds like you're really interested in hearing what your customers want. And I have all kinds of respect for that attitude, since it's so rare nowadays. Bravo on that. But probably the worst attitude you can have is thinking you're all that, and getting a swelled head. Y'know, the "I'm a playmate candidate so these guys should grovel at me feet" type of attitude. Because good looking girls who think they're gods gift are a dime a dozen. We don't need any more.
And to answer your question, the number one thing you can do if you're really interested in your customers is be nice to them. Genuinely nice. Don't treat them like shit and think you're too good for them, and only pay attention to the gorgeous guys or whatever. Be nice to everyone. And you already have the attitude that you're gonna be the best you can be. Just keep that attitude. Don't worry about how you dance, nobody gives a damn about that except guys named Melvin who live with their mothers. If you really want to be the best you can be, then go to work every day with the sole purpose of making your customers feel good. And customers like it when really hot girls spend some time with them and make them feel good. So look incredibly hot, be nice, and make the men feel good. If it's a high mileage club, give 'em so much mileage they don't know what to do with it. If it's not, then give 'em so much mileage they don't know what to do with it. Whisper nasty stuff in their ears, treat 'em nice, make them feel good, and you'll do fine.
So you're going to Dallas to work at the clubs there? Good luck. You'll have some serious competition from girls who make Playboy Playmates jealous with their hotness.
Oh, and one more bit of advice. I noticed in your photos a pair of basketball sneakers. Lose 'em. Seriously. Hot girls should not be allowed to wear stupid basketball sneakers. It's just wrong.
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12 years ago
"zbone.com.
Go there.
Read the PL reviews."
Don't bother. Zbone sucks ever since they remodelled. Pretty much useless, just trying to find where the info is (which there isn't much of) is freakin' impossible. The guy who designed that needs his head examined. Used to be great, now it's a waste.
The two clubs are very different. DVCOI is, as someone else said, great for value, but you probably won't find the dancers as good looking, overall, as TL. DVCOI you can get $10 lap dances with some incredible mileage, at TL the $20 lap dances are just a teaser for the VIP action. Personally, I much prefer DVCOI, and usually don't even consider TL because I'm not a VIP kinda guy.
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12 years ago
Oh, okay, sorry.
So I guess he doesn't actually babysit her kids himselft, he pays for a nanny to do it.
And the reason he gets so upset when you criticize strippers is he has so much invested in them. Ahh...thanks for the inside scoop.
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12 years ago
Oooo, and you're such a BAD BOY with talk like that !!! You're all "dem bitchez suck my dick and take my load". Yeah, you're tough, dude.
I'll bet when you're "ITC" you're all "um, excuse me, would you allow me the opportunity to follow you into the ladies' room and wipe your butt after you take a dump? I'll gladly pay you..."
So you really do babysit her kids?
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12 years ago
OOoo, rickdugan, I love it when you talk all tough and manly. You're such a STUD, dude !! Really. If I was gay I'd be, like, all flustered and stuff.
Let me guess...you're one of those guys who are paying your ATF's rent, and you'd gladly pay her for the opportunity to sniff her dirty laundry, right? So tell, me, do you actually babysit her kids so she can go out and screw her real boyfriend?
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12 years ago
I gave up on SD clubs decades ago, and it sounds like nothing has changed. Really I think your best choice is TJ. If you have to wait at the border, then just deal with it. Pick a good time to go when the wait is minimal, and just enjoy. You might kick yourself later for not taking the opportunity and at least trying out TJ. There's a reason why those clubs are rated #1. Don't worry, just do it.
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12 years ago
Hold on, I did think of one benefit...
Often it seems like dancers are attracted to groups of guys rahter than to single guys sitting alone. Maybe they think they're more fun, or will egg each other on to spend more money, or whatever.