Comments by jctone

I think it is sad, but not pathetic. The customer probably is getting something in return, whether it is bragging rights on having a dancer girlfriend, sex or thinking she loves him. People pay for many things to impress others even if it hurts them in return. At one of my regular clubs, some customers will take dancers on weekend trips and claim things happened. The dancers will also say "I went to away with Joe Public, but we did not do anything. I just had him pay for drinks and buy me stuff." Who do you believe, probably something in between. Basically, we all want someone. Some are willing to pay, some are willing to pretend and some are lucky to find the real thing.

The good thing about Phoenix, Arizona is a new requirement for dancers to get a license. You can ask to see the license for the real name. No, there is no test for this license. Just a payment and you get an ID/License.

Come on, RL. Do some work yourself too. What do you consider a friend in your life? Someone that cares about you. Do you hang out, catch a movie, go to a bar, help you move, or listen to you complain? If the answer are yes, you got a friend.

Stripshopper, your posting was funny. Like everything in life, there are situation that the article would completely apply. Life is funny. Many dancers did not grow up in a conventional family. People tend to look for things that are familiar. If you grew up in a bad family life, you probably try to find one that is the same because that is your perception of love.

I don't agree. Most of the times, they are asking me for information on relationships, traffic rules and medical issues. Should I start charging?

Chitownlawyer, funny! I passed. Is the bar exam next? Just joking. But your test was funny. Thanks for the humor.

HINT: If she is interested in you, she will give you her number without you asking for it. Or try this line, "Let's keep in touch." If she says no, you won't be mentally damaged, since you didn't ask for her number.

I think your husband would like it more if the dancer had to move your undergarment that not to have it at all. It would add to the excitement of the moment. Most undergarments that I have seen (i.e. thongs and bikinis) won't be a big bother if the dancer is interested.

She might become a friend. Even as a friend, is she considering a real friend or a club friend. At this stage, she is just passing the time with you. Just because you spend time talking and drinking, do not make you friends. Sales involves talking to many people to get the sale. But would you consider a sales person your friend. A friend is someone who is there for you and you are there for them. You help each other without expecting something in return. If it passes this simple example, then you have a friend.

Well, then you should go less often with your friend. It is always more fun to have someone with the same attitude and feeling about the clubs with you. I have a friend, that will stick a dollar in his mouth and lie down on stage for the dancer to get his tip. To me, that is a bit over the top. He enjoys it. But it does make me feel uncomfortable. So I don't go as often with him. His actions also affects me since I am with him. You have to take that into consideration. He is cheap with the dancers, that might reflect on you too.

Just like everyone else, dancers will think it is greener on the other side. As for the club owners charging a penalty to return, that is just greedy. It serves no purpose but to add more money to their pocketbooks. They should encourage their dancers to try out the new club. Most dancers will return to the original club because the regulars are not at the new club.

If you are really their friend, they would not be charging at all. Why charge $5 and risk going to jail? They would do it for free if you are a friend and they have some interest in you.

There nothing to be afraid of! If you don't ask, then the answer is "no" automatically. First off, you have to pay attention to the dancer. Is she interested in you? This one is easy, watch who she sits down and talks to and does not get a dance from. Those are the type of men that she is interested in. If you have to pay for conversation, she is not interested in you.

Hear, hear FONDL. Perfect way to approach this. Dancers hear BS daily. A little truth will go a long way to start a friendship. For the most part, dancers hear BS all the time from customers, their boyfriend, their family and so on. Be different, be real.

If you are interested in M for a relationship, then stop seeing her in the club. Ask her to do something with you outside the club. Lunch/dinner. If she says no, then this is just a professional relationship that exists only at the club. If this is a professional relationship, don't get all your dances from her. You have to get the dancers to compete for you money.

Where you trying to make them laugh? I am surprised if they know who Mark Twain was. Most of the dancers that I know have not had too much college or for that matter, did that well in high school. A few have taken some college classes and maybe a hand full has completed any sort of degree. I hear about a lot of cosmetology degrees, but they usually do not have an English literature requirement. Next time you are in the club, do a little survey on the educational level of the dancers. Maybe you will be surprised by results.

Don't give up that easily. We have all had some embarrassment in our lives. Maybe Mark Twain is not known for coming up with comebacks. Just be more careful next time. It could have been done more professionally by the bouncer. But we all know the educational level of most bouncers. Apologies for all those college educated bouncers out there.

Or they could just be a good dancer with great personality. Some regulars will continue to spend money and time with some dancers even after the dancer tell them they are in a relationship. This is just a hope that one day, they will break up with their boyfriend and spend time with the regular who is there for them. There are people who are willing to spend money on a dancer to keep their place in the hypothetical line for a chance to date the dancer. It is part of the fantasy. I will keep spending money and time on her, and she will one day go out with me. Some dancers will be very forthcoming to the customers and tell them that they are in a relationship.

If the option was not there, we would find some other activities. That is the norm with everything. People adapt to the changing environment. Bar people just go to a particular bar based on our comfort zone. Some go to sports bar, local dive bar, night clubs, restaurant bar, hotel bar and others. It is just a place were you are comfortable to socialize with others. I think that the fascination with topless bars is that the girls come up to you. So for some that are not incline to approach girls at regular bars or are too lazy, then the topless bar is a nice option. But if it was not available, we learn new tricks.

Every part of the business is important for the overall success of it. Looks and personality dancers are just one of the many components of a complete business. If there is a loss of one or more component, then it will impact the overall business.

SuperDude, good point. It is high school. Except some of the non-social guys have a job and money now. So the hot girls are paying some attention to them until they run out of money.

I have heard a similar saying, with McDonalds instead of Burger King. Not too BK out here. These are the nights, that the dancers would be very happy if they were smart enough to have developed regulars. What I call the smart dancers will develop regulars that they will call before their shift, thus allowing for a more relaxing evening since they know that they will make some money.

We all enjoy going to similar places and talking about it. Each of us will have a different point of view of the experience, some are good and some are not. Let's be a little more accepting of others' position on the same topic. When it comes down to it, we all enjoy the experience.

It seems that this board reflects society, some of us will complain about anything good or bad. You can either focus on the positive side of life or the negative side. If you don't enjoy doing something, then change. If you keep picking the dancers that burn you, then look at changing your choices.

I think Yoda has it right. He makes a decision to interact with dancers that appreciate him and not looking to take his money, just making a living. If you treat people including dancers with some form of respect, you sometimes get it back. Some of us on this board seems to have been burned hard by some dancers and are taking it out on everyone else. Not all dancers are bad. Not all people are good. Nothing is absolute. So those of you who are so negative and angry, let it go. You will enjoy life more that way.