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7 years ago
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Papi_ChuloMiami, FL (or the nearest big-booty club)
I enjoy it and do it often. About 100% of the time, when I ask a dancer if I can lightly choke her, she says yes. More than half the time, the next thing out of her mouth is "harder!".
The vast majority of young strippers either enjoy light bdsm play, or are comfortable enough when they pretend to enjoy it to the point of asking for more intensity. Exact same experience with spanking -- always a "yes" response, and since I start off super soft, more often than not they urge me to go harder.
This is an area where explicit, verbal consent and constant checking-in is warranted to make sure both parties are enjoying themselves.
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7 years ago
WHITE castle. ^^^^^ Racist
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7 years ago
These last two paragraphs in this article make me wonder if we're being viral video'ed. Maybe juice is their marketing director :) Gotta admit, after this dopey video makes the rounds for a few days or weeks, everyone is going to be aware of fries and taco bell
“Taco Bell is better than Del Taco but Del Taco has french fries so it’s a real Sophie’s Choice of fast food,” Hoppus tweeted on Oct. 29.
Taco Bell responded to that tweet saying: “That just might change soon, Mark,” along with a smiley face.
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7 years ago
In this area, some of the girls know about the local strip club forums, and even then that's only at the two extras clubs that dominate local discussion, I don't know of any girls who know of tuscl. Or if they do know about it, they're not worried about it -- vs the local forums, where the local strip club forum culture is detailed information exchange
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7 years ago
My long homage to this topic is here: https://www.tuscl.net/?page=post&id=44731 Not quite exactly what you're asking about -- ITC vs OTC -- but many of the points apply.
I don't think there's a right or wrong, it's a matter of what you personally prefer. I don't enjoy escorts or the entire experience around them. If I'm going to do any type of appointment-based sex, I'd rather do sensual massage, which is lower-mileage but the experience suits me better.
Among the reasons I like strippers better: in the club, I get to see and talk to them, and this long faux-foreplay can make the sex 10x better. Since I love being in the strip club, the comparison of "$350 for an hour FS with an escort, vs $350 for 20 minutes with a stripper" is NOT valid -- instead, I look at it as "$350 for an hour with an escort, vs $350 for 3 awesome hours in the strip club, of which 20 minutes is sex", strip club is a far better deal. In addition, only with strippers can there be progress to the best experience in the sex industry, OTC.
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7 years ago
-->"Shes cute and is my type but am i just being played."
To repeat the advice above: if you have trouble understanding that a stripper giving you a phone number is nothing but a business convenience, that's your problem, not hers. She is not "playing" you, she gave you her number to make it easy for you to do business together. If you're reading more into it than that, that's not her playing you, that's you taking a trip into fantasyland. Strippers do enough dumb shit that we justifiably complain about, that it isn't really fair to start reading all kinds of odd things into a simple phone number and then complain about that. The cute girl who took your order at Starbucks isn't into you either -- it's her job to ask your first name so she can write it on your cup.
Not meant to be insulting despite the tone, more like tough love ... you WILL eventually get played if you have so much trouble understanding very simple business gestures. Which isn't really a criticism, we were all there, at one time! But you have 20 reviews of 12 clubs, so not really a total newbie...
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7 years ago
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Doces300You can run but you will only die tired
justme: I, too, have enjoyed going back out with the girls after the encounter, to just get drunk together in the post-sex glow.
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7 years ago
While I agree with Papi's and other's philosophy that sometimes it's worth replying to even obvious fake handles with fake stories, in this case I think this particular fake handle has run its course, it's wince-worthy at this point...
Still, in the spirit of the season: my suggestion is to wire her another few hundred $$$, maybe that will kick her memory in and get her to pick it all up. Then, to quote the immortal bj99, "then she will be your girlfriend".
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7 years ago
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Doces300You can run but you will only die tired
-->"The second best was OTC with a 25 years old american stripper that was kind of new to the business, and after a few meetings ITC agreed to OTC, we would go to an hotel and would spend several hours together, cudle, kiss, make love (no condoms, because she was safe in my opinion), massage each other, she would seem to enjoy the experience (have a couple orgasms) sleep with her head on my chest, we would order food sometimes, some overnights, etc etc."
Now THAT is legit GFE, in my opinion . I think it's silly to call what most of us do with strippers -- getting sloppy drunk, strip clubs, mostly flirty sex talk, sex where it's nice if she enjoys it but in the end I don't care that much if she doesn't -- "GFE". It's nothing like what one does with a girlfriend, and calling it that makes me wonder if the writer has actually ever had a girlfriend for very long :) It's stripper experience, and awesome in its own right. I do also enjoy the overnight cuddling and the like, but that hardly makes it anything like a girlfriend
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7 years ago
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Doces300You can run but you will only die tired
-->" I myself much prefer strippers for a gfe as they just seem better at it. What do you guys say?"
I wince a bit at "gfe". I'm not looking to pretend a stripper is my girlfriend. I'm not looking to have a 22 year old girlfriend with poor judgement, poor education, and who can't control her impulses. I also am not looking to get shitfaced with my girlfriend, go strip clubbing with my girlfriend, and on and on. And I hope that with my girlfriend, I have more intellectually stimulating conversations than what our favorite drink is, what happened the last time we got shitfaced, how broke she is, etc. I love the experience with strippers, but the fact that so many guys say things like "I don't want to go drinking with her, she's not my girlfriend", makes me wonder what kinds of girlfriends some of you guys have :) Only half joking.
So, the answer is, I don't want a "girlfriend experience" with a stripper. But I"m also not looking to go straight to the hotel room, have sex, then go home -- like you, I have some trouble understanding why I wouldn't just go the escort route if that's all I wanted, save all the trouble around flakiness and the like. I want a Stripper Experience, the whole damn ride. Eat and get drunk together, go strip clubbing together, maybe we'll go back to the room and fuck but maybe she'll just blow me in the parking garage, and if she'll spend the night and we can have sex again -- sign me up, man! I do genuinely enjoy fraternizing with my stripper, but the interaction is specifically not girlfriend-like.
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7 years ago
Per everyone else: after-hours clubs in every jurisdiction I've ever been in, still have to stop serving alcohol at the mandated time, but can remain open after that.
Not surprised a few jurisdictions have other rules, like the dual-license scheme ppwh cited
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7 years ago
^^^^ #2ndBestDealInTheClub
lol
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7 years ago
For all the nightmares I had about running into someone I know, or worse yet, someone my wife knew, back when I was married, I never ran into anyone I knew, ever, that I can recall.
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7 years ago
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Cashman1234He/Him - He’s a filthy pig. That’s him in VIP with another whore.
For the most part, I like the loud music, it means we'll have to practically snuggle to talk. I have been to clubs where the music was so ear-splitingly loud that even up close, we had to scream. I don't know what they're thinking; I walk out of those
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7 years ago
While I've never done it in the parking lot, I have done it in my car. There was a no-extras strip club, and at the time the girls were allowed a 30 minute break per shift (not sure this policy exists anymore). I found a garage 2 blocks away, that had corner spaces that were surrouded on 3 sides by a wall (that is, the only opening was in the back, for you to pull the car in and out. I'd put up curtains along the back window and rear-side windows, and during that 30 minute break we'd hustle over to my car. Good times, good times.
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7 years ago
Not something I'd enjoy, but very fun to watch as a fantasy
Strip clubs and SA seem to me to be at exactly at the opposite end of the sex industry spectrum from highly depersonalized sex. I'd expect more mongers than PLs to actually want to participate in this type of experience
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7 years ago
Just out of curiosity, why cant' you name it, LM? is there a specific policy here? Or you're exercising your own discretion? I ask because some forums do have rules about discussing any other forum, but I'm unaware of tuscl having such rules
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7 years ago
larry: I think that's pretty common.
Among the reasons that I think I can keep things fresh, is that beyond the sex, I've always enjoyed interactions that are more arrangement-like than OTCing. So, at your "highest point" ... have you had her over your house? Taken her to the city for the weekend? Partied with her and one (or more) of her other slutty friends and then crashed in a hotel room together? I realize for many guys, none of that is interesting, so again, with nowhere else to go, they start rolling downhill as things get stale. I find that I can easily keep pushing the boundaries of the experience for a couple of years or more, which means she might be out of the business before I'm through thinking up new things for us to do.
But that's a matter of what you want. Many guys here just want an OTC then go home and not hear from her again. Not a criticism, but I imagine running out of fresh ideas quickly that way.
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7 years ago
In general, while it's definitely true strippers can start taking you for granted and phoning it in, I find my experience in general moves up and to the right with my ATFs (it might rise and fall like anonlvone says, but over time it's up and to the right). Two thoughts on this:
- Maybe this is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If the experience doesn't continually get better, I move on, so she never gets promoted from CF to ATF in the first place. If she's become an ATF, she's just always awesome and we're building off trust and our history to move into exciting uncharted territory.
- This is likely highly dependent on what you as a PL are looking for. At some point, you've done all the sexual acts, and if that's all you're looking for, there's nowhere else to go. For me, there's a whole lot of context around the sexual experience that can make the sex better and better.
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7 years ago
My short answer is: if you're interested, yes, you should try it. If you do, commit to 3 months -- for me, there was a bit of a learning curve on writing an attractive profile and how the communication works.
My long answer is here: https://www.tuscl.net/?page=post&id=50497
My medium answer is:
I started on SA with a few other guys on another forum; all of the other guys dropped out but me. I'm not questioning anyone's experience -- I believe RM is having an awesome one, and Jack had a terrible one, guys seem to be all over the map based on what they're looking for. Here's a summary of what I think are the plusses and minusses versus mongering and PLing, based on my particular experience:
Seeking Arrangement plusses:
- Thousands of girls who you won't find on eros or in strip clubs
- There are high quality girls, by which I mean, educated, smart, reliable, and would not otherwise be in the sex industry if not for this model
- You know that the girl your with has not just fucked and blown 5 other guys that day
- You can construct your own "arrangement model" ... you want some girl who will text you every day and travel with you? You want some girl who will meet you at a hotel for an hour and then go? You want some girl who is a bit in between -- meet you for a few hours, then hotel, then text you once or twice a week in between? Whatever it is you're looking for, you can find it, there's a very wide range of women looking for a very wide range of outcomes.
Seeking Arrangements negatives:
- While there are specific, high quality women on SA, as a group, they are flakier (I am not exaggerating, it is a good deal worse) than even strippers. Expect women to disappear mid-conversation, or after you've agreed to meet, or the day of the meet, or an hour before you meet. This is the rule, not the exception.
- Just like pictures of escorts on eros, or civilians on Match, as a rule pictures look better (often much better) than the girls themselves
- As a group, SA girls are not as hot as strippers
- I've gotten more "baby my car broken down, can you front me $300" in the last 6 months on SA, than I got in 20 years SCing. Again, not an exaggeration.
Seeking Arrangements interesting observations:
- SA is full of strippers and ex-strippers ... in fact, they are, as a group, the hottest girls on SA
- Lots of fake profiles, but you'll start seeing the patterns
- The SA oldtime SDs have told me that there was a time when most on SA were looking for classic SD/SB arrangements. It is definitely not that way anymore ... in my area, at least, girls looking for something else along the slide scale between "escort style hour model" and "classic arrangement" far outnumber the girls who are only looking for a more classic arrangement.
In all, I joined SA looking for a classic sugarbaby: meet often, for long periods of time, enjoy each others' company, get to know each other, travel together. Have ended up mostly using it for shorter-term hookups.
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7 years ago
This is my standard M.O. for OTCs. We don't always make it, but I always try to budget for a side trip to the strip club, or as an old ATF used to say, "let's go to the strip club to get horny, then go back to the room to fuck if off." Incredibly fun to bring a stripper to a strip club, just get her out of there before she either bankrupts you, or gets too drunk -- strippers are BAD drunks, and in the SC-driven party atmosphere, she'll be very tempted to drink too much
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7 years ago
jackslash-->"I get these requests all the time, and if I cut off every stripper who asked I would be pretty lonely. I don't blame them for asking. I usually tell them no. Some favs who I've been banging regularly I will lend a little cash (like $200). Do they ever repay me? No. But I don't mind sharing a little of the wealth with a young lady who pretends to like sucking my wizened old dick."
I think there's just a natural evolution in how you look at things. A guy who has never experienced this before, is going to have lotsoffun's reaction: "WTF! Fucking bitch! I'm crossing her off my list". A guy who has been clubbing for decades can handle it a bit more dispassionately, after the zillionth time he's been asking. Partly, it's not something new to him so doesn't kick off all kinds of defensive instincts. Partly, he doesn't feel nervous or uncomfortable about counterproposing something that meets HIS needs, too.
I've had an ATF with whom I sometimes floated her money before our OTC (I refuse to do Western Union and this was years ago before Venmo, so she actually gave me her checking account number and real name, and I'd just go to the bank and put cash in her account), and she always came through. On more than one occasion during OTC, I spent more cash than I expected on partying, drinking, dinner, so that I couldn't pay her all I owed her at the end of the night, I'd offer to take us to the ATM but she'd just wave her hand and tell me to put it in her account tomorrow. So, as I always say: you need to be smart enough to have rules, and wise enough to know when you should break them.
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7 years ago
s275: makes sense. I tend to drink with the girls, and we'll be buying a lot of drinks (and often food). I plan to spend as much as $100 on food and drinks, but that goes far too fast if we're both buying $15 drinks. Well shots cost $5.00 per during dayshift, so we can do a LOT of drinking, plus lunch, and still end up well under my $100 limit. If I were buying just one girl, just one drink, then I'd get her anything she wanted, within reason.
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7 years ago
-->"I don't think of my phone as a major safety device. I mean if someone goes on a shooting rampage, a gazillion others will likely call 911 before me and I can't turn my phone into a weapon to take out an attacker. For that I need close contact and martial arts or combat skills. I hope I'm never in that situation. That's not why I go to clubs."
You're having a mall ninja moment, Rick. We all realize you don't go to clubs to stop shooting rampages :) :) More common things, that I've absolutely seen firsthand in the bad parts of the city many clubs are located, include minor assaults, possible medical emergencies, etc. All still not common, but real.
To add to my list, other things I use my phone for at the club: to call an uber or lyft to get a ride to the train station, so I don't have to walk buzzed through the often bad neighborhoods. To see the train schedule so I can time things. (as I said above, to be available for my kids if THEY need help while I"m gone, is pretty key for me)
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7 years ago
Sirlapalot-->"Also a lot of times a tipsy or drunk stripper loses track of songs and under counts them."
I think drunk stripper is a crapshoot. Many girls get more fun as they get drunk, but many many many get really mean and aggressive. Many strippers have been traumatized many times in their lives, that's how they ended up at this point in their lives where becoming a stripper was the best choice, and damaged people aren't always fun drunks. But buzzed stripper is nearly 100% of the time an amazing win.
s275ironman-->"Most of the time the girls have been very reasonable with me in their drink choices."
Technique-wise, I never let the stripper pick her own drink. I control what she drinks and I order for both of us. By "control what she drinks", I mean, we have a discussion about what we're drinking beforehand. If I've decided I want to do shots, I'll tell her so ("hey, I'm ordering shots, do a shot with me!"), if I'm fine with mixed drinks, I ask her what she wants in advance. I am not remotely shy about telling her it's too expensive, I make it very clear that I'm not buying $15 drinks. Usually, the way to nicely get this across is, "I have enough for some VIP dances today, and for some cheap drinks so we can have fun. If we want to order expensive drinks, we'll do one less VIP dance, but I'd rather spend that $ on you". I think in 99% of cases, that's all it takes, she's not going to give up a $100 VIP just so she can drink Porfidio instead of Jose Cuervo.
In short you should never be a position where a dancer could order a $26 drink. In fact, nothing should be coming out of her mouth during ordering time, you place the orders, and you've already discussed the drinks with her in advance. Just my advice, it's worked really well.