Strip Clubs vs. Escorts?

No. Strippers, IMHO, are the best. Unlike escorts, you get to see strippers and talk to them in advance. You know what they really look like and you learn if you have chemistry. Sex with strippers is more fun and more GFE.

IMO sex with a stripper OTC is far superior to most escorts I have experienced. Inside the the club does pose problems, uncomfortable positions, time constraints, etc. An OTC stripper though has probably not serviced 15 other guys that day, has more time as she doesn't book every 1/2 hour. She is also better at pretending she wants you than an escort as her money in the club somewhat depends on that talent. My preference is always gonna be stripper

Have to agree. Sex with strippers is superior.

Seeing what you are purchasing is the key.

Setting up OTC for sex is the best of both worlds, IMO.

Well many independent escorts have websites with tons of pics so you do see them in advance - and if they are reviewed on theeroticreview.com or other sites you know exactly what they allow - all in advance! Doesn't that count for something?

Extras (ITC or OTC) with a stripper is more of a process. But can be worth it in the long run.

The primary difference between a mid/higher-end escort and an equivalent stripper is that the escort is more dependable and manages the money end better.

I don't believe there's going to be a big difference in STD risks, but that's just a guess.

Strippers are best. They act interested in you much more than escorts in my experience. Also, you have time to interact to see if you get along. Plus you get to see what she looks like first.

I agree with jackslash but I've really never tried escorts.

"Doesn't that count for something?"

Yes, it does. There are ways to make an educated selection when it comes to escorts. And there are stories surfacing here all the time about stripper OTC going badly to some degree or another.

Seeing an escort is less spontaneous and more of a planned, predictable appointment. Extras with a stripper is more spontaneous, which can be great or mushroom-cloud bad. It all depends on what you like and where your comfort zone resides.

Figure out what you like and don't let anyone tell you that you are having fun wrong.

Also, I draw a distinction between escorts and the terrifying, high-volume fuckpigs on Backpage.

Around here, Backpage is the sex industry equivalent to the cantina scene in Star Wars.

My long homage to this topic is here: https://www.tuscl.net/?page=post&id=4473… Not quite exactly what you're asking about -- ITC vs OTC -- but many of the points apply.

I don't think there's a right or wrong, it's a matter of what you personally prefer. I don't enjoy escorts or the entire experience around them. If I'm going to do any type of appointment-based sex, I'd rather do sensual massage, which is lower-mileage but the experience suits me better.

Among the reasons I like strippers better: in the club, I get to see and talk to them, and this long faux-foreplay can make the sex 10x better. Since I love being in the strip club, the comparison of "$350 for an hour FS with an escort, vs $350 for 20 minutes with a stripper" is NOT valid -- instead, I look at it as "$350 for an hour with an escort, vs $350 for 3 awesome hours in the strip club, of which 20 minutes is sex", strip club is a far better deal. In addition, only with strippers can there be progress to the best experience in the sex industry, OTC.

I thought the average escort these days was less than $350 an hour, depending on incall or outcall sometimes. But it probably does take at least $350 (with at least $100 for the room and another $100+ tip to the girl in addition to her regular cut) to get FS with a decent stripper in most clubs (Follie's excluded). But if you're going to be out the same amount of money, the stripper is probably preferable (although the experience in a VIP room is definitely worse than a hotel), but i don't really care for the other 3 hours of front room BS. But then again, front rooms around here are pretty lame as the girls are always trying to get you in private.

"I thought the average escort these days was less than $350 an hour"

There's probably regional differences, but around here it's hard to get a good looking escort (min. 7 or 8) for less than $400. Usually more.

And by "around here", I mean Boston. Providence's escort selection is lackluster.

These guys are in denial most strippers are escorting anyway.

Around Chicago, $300 seems to be the "average" so average looking escort whatever that means. But i didn't know that looks were that much of a premium in the escort world. I didn't think an 8 or 9 would cost over 50% more than a 6 or 7. Anyway, at the few extra-friendly clubs around here, half an hour starts at $300 or more (basic service which includes the cost of the room which is between 30-50% of that $300) which usually requires a tip to the bouncer between $20-$75! for privacy and at least $100 tip (probably more for FS) to the girl especially if she's an 8+, so around $500 for more for a short half hour (an hour is probably preferable which almost doubles the total cost) compared to $300 or so for an hour with the escort.

And why are you slandering the good women of BP? 60 min for 50 bucks is a bargain.

Also, I draw a distinction between escorts and the terrifying, high-volume fuckpigs on Backpage. Omg lmao that is the best description of backpage ever

For me?

I like the window-shopping. It gets me horny and gives me the confidence that I'll like the girl I pick.

If the girls are displayed in a manner in which I can compare and contrast, pick one and try to interact with her, spend some time moving from one to another ... well, then, by the time I make my final choice for a fuck-session, I'm likely to feel satisfied with whomever I pick.

In Amsterdam, window-girls work better for me. In London, same thing, except the walk-ups aren't exactly at a "window" and frankly I dislike that. In Frankfurt, the step-up buildings are effectively window-girl towers, so, I lke that.

But in the USA, strippers in a strip club work better for me. It's the best place to go see several hotties, try to interact with some, see what the vibe turns out to be. (There is the possibility of some shopping to be done on the internet, comparison and window style, but for me, the time delay between the comparison shopping and then the eventual act is really defeating the purpose of the shopping.)

I have done both and feel that sex with strippers outside the club is better than escorts. The one problem with having sex with strippers is setup time. With an escort, you're dropping a bunch of money on a stranger and you can't be guaranteed a good experience even if she is legit (according to theeroticreview.com or other review sites).

A lot of the time you've paid her for is going to be spent trying to get to know her. With a stripper, you're also spending money to get to know her, but it's a whole lot less. Actually, you'll probably spend time with her for free getting to know her and then spend money for the lap dances after.

As you continue to see your favorite stripper over time, she'll start to understand your sexual preferences and get more comfortable with you. When you finally do get her into your/her bed, the foreplay will be phenomenal and the sex way more satisfying.

Clubs and massage parlors are better than escorts.

The problem with escorts is the high investment required to find a good one. There are review boards, but they are include a large contingent of escorts as members for advertising and interaction. Review forums need to be boys clubs. When there's a high amount of female participation, reviews become less honest. One escort board allows its female members to choose a "no review" policy. Often after a bad review they complain to the moderators and have the review altered or removed. A different forum has even automatically prevents reviews from being posted if the score for the escort is too much lower than her average.

All this leads to reviews being more like advertising than information. I stopped using escorts years ago, but when I did, I found no relation between good reviews and good service. A bad review accurately indicates bad service, but I had numerous lousy experiences from escorts with dozens of all positive reviews.

There's also very little relation between escort price and looks/attitude/service. Escort boards enable golden pussy syndrome by building up the escorts image with fluffed up positive reviews. Less informed dudes pay the high prices without knowing they can get better elsewhere.

Strip clubs provide the best service, experience and value. The difficulty is that you have to master the PL game. But after you do, escorts become a waste of money by comparison.

F2F first meetings always better. So find your girls in strip clubs.

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Strip clubs allow for more interactive, condition-based pricing. A stripper can offer a special deal because she needs some specific amount of money to cover a bill. Escorts have more rigid pricing... Or least the impression of it if you went through her website first.

Escort sex is mostly a-la-carte; just sex - w/ strippers one is often able to interact w/ them more and in different ways (talk to them for a while; drink w/ them; get-dances; etc).

Picking the girl and fraternizing with her are part of the fun. And you only get one time to first meet the girl. I would never waste that.

SJG

I have experience with both escorts and strippers, but since I have yet to do OTC with a stripper, I can't really make a fair comparison. Having sex with an escort in a private hotel room is not the same as having sex with a stripper inside a VIP cubicle that only has a curtain for privacy.

With escorts, I never used Backpage as a source for finding a service provider. I would always use review sites that would also allow girls to post ads. I was able to find a few girls that were my type and also charged a reasonable price. However, I only contacted a provider if they had enough reviews to convince me that they were legit. Most of my experiences were good. At least one of them happened to be a former stripper, and she gave an excellent GFE.

With strip clubs, I do find it actually to be a lot more convenient for a lot of the same reasons others have already mentioned. I like the fact that at a club, you have several girls to choose from. Then, once you get the attention of a girl you're interested in, you get to talk for a little bit, see how well you get along, and then (provided it is an extras club) comes the fun part. Sure, in the club the sex will be a little rushed. I actually don't mind having sex in the VIP at a club. I guess for me, the fact that I know I'm really not supposed to be doing it adds an element of excitement. Some of the Detroit area clubs I've been to actually have decent sized VIP cubicles that don't feel all that cramped.

But with the stripper you get the adventure of meeting her and getting to know her, and maybe some ITC action. But then asap, she becomes your escort.

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SJG

This being TUSCL, I would imagine the bias would be in favor of strippers. If the same thread was posted on TER, I think a very different bias would prevail. I think most of the reasons given here in favor of strippers are legit but the TER crowd would feel just as strongly with their own legitimate points.

I think a lot of it comes down to how much one enjoys the interacting, seeing, flirting, etc. that comes with meeting strippers. You can get that with multiple visits to an ATF escort but you don't get that for the first meeting. Well reviewed escorts are pretty reliable as to cost and services. It's kind of like ordering something online if you trust the company. Strippers are more like shopping at a brick and mortar store as one gets to touch and see the merchandise. My suspicion is that one's preference has a lot to do with how much one enjoys the shopping experience versus hating the shopping experience.

I hope Lopaw chimes in on this thread.