A Quick Roll Or Something More

I’m straight to the hotel - and straight to getting my money’s worth. I’m not looking for gfe as some guys are. I’m looking to get in - get out - and then get back to work.

I understand that guys enjoy a well handled gfe encounter, but since it’s basically an act - I will skip that part.

I find strippers best for otc. I’ve tried others (whores, cl girls, etc) and strippers work best for me.

I'm a big fan of OTC with strippers featuring lots of GFE. My ideal OTC date starts with a fine dinner around 8pm, ends with a nice brunch about 11am, and contains a lot of "playtime" and sleep between these meals.

With my current OTC girl, sleepovers haven't happened (yet), so our 6-hour afternoon dates from about 1 to 7 consist of playtime #1 (I always manage to get early check-in at noon or so), a mid-afternoon feast, and playtime #2.

I honestly want my OTC experience to be as much like a date and as little like P4P as possible.

If you really like the girl, I would think one would tend to escalate the amount of time spent with her. If not car keys and wallet dates, at least overnighters. Not everyone can afford a regular mistress though.

SJG

-->" I myself much prefer strippers for a gfe as they just seem better at it. What do you guys say?"

I wince a bit at "gfe". I'm not looking to pretend a stripper is my girlfriend. I'm not looking to have a 22 year old girlfriend with poor judgement, poor education, and who can't control her impulses. I also am not looking to get shitfaced with my girlfriend, go strip clubbing with my girlfriend, and on and on. And I hope that with my girlfriend, I have more intellectually stimulating conversations than what our favorite drink is, what happened the last time we got shitfaced, how broke she is, etc. I love the experience with strippers, but the fact that so many guys say things like "I don't want to go drinking with her, she's not my girlfriend", makes me wonder what kinds of girlfriends some of you guys have :) Only half joking.

So, the answer is, I don't want a "girlfriend experience" with a stripper. But I"m also not looking to go straight to the hotel room, have sex, then go home -- like you, I have some trouble understanding why I wouldn't just go the escort route if that's all I wanted, save all the trouble around flakiness and the like. I want a Stripper Experience, the whole damn ride. Eat and get drunk together, go strip clubbing together, maybe we'll go back to the room and fuck but maybe she'll just blow me in the parking garage, and if she'll spend the night and we can have sex again -- sign me up, man! I do genuinely enjoy fraternizing with my stripper, but the interaction is specifically not girlfriend-like.

I won't do FS ITC. I just don't feel comfortable with my pants down to my ankles and not knowing what might happen. I prefer a GFE OTC at my house. Of course in order to do this I have to know and trust the dancer very well. So I'm not doing as many as I would like but when it does happen then it is usually worth the wait.

There are 2 types of strippers I have met OTC. Likely you all have met the same type.

Type 1 - you are there to have sex, she is there to collect money.

Type 2 - she actually enjoys your company (or at least acts like it) and wants the date to be more of an experience. Don’t forget, she still wants to get paid though.


I have made it an evening with type 1 and sometimes those are just awkward nights, striking up conversation through 2 hours of travel, drinks and dinner at times can feel forced. A businessman and a down on her luck stripper will run out of things to talk about quickly.

Know which girl you are taking out and adjust your plans accordingly.

All the girls I see OTC over there have always been in my hotel room, with one exception - the first girl I had an OTC with on my first visit. I will never forget her, she was exceptional in every way.

Over here all the girls I see are escorts, mostly English girls who in the main hire a room - usually a private apartment or rarely a hotel room.

I'm with MrDeuce and Subraman. Feel extra good that Sub is also up for a car quickie. I don't feel as deviant or cheap anymore for the times I've done that.

There's a hot dancer that used to work in a local club that is doing escort style SB dates (I found her on SA). I've seen her once, and wouldn't mind seeing her again, but when the same $$ gets me an overnight date with multiple sex sessions, clubbing, dinner, etc with my other SA girl instead of just 1 hour of sex, it's difficult to justify.

@londonguy I might have said this before. My worst P4P experience was in London, as well as one of my top 5 best. The good one was a girl who hosted out of an apartment. Completely reset the definition of GFE for me.

Shailynn - well said. I’ve almost hit a wall with some otc “dates” - where I can feel the lull in the conversation start. It seems that once the lull hits - it’s very difficult to get back to a lively conversation. My hope is that the lull hits just about when it’s time to fuck. The sex helps to in-lull the evening!

"The "girlfriend experience" generally involves more personal interaction than a traditional call girl or escort offers; it varies widely from person to person, however. There is a focus on not just having sex, but also having more of a comprehensive experience." Wikipedia.
"When an escort offers a service more akin to a 'real' relationship rather than just sex." Urban dictionary
The key here is varies widely from person to person.
Personally the best sexual and human interaction experience I have had in my life was in Beverly Hills with a russian escort that behaved as a "girlfriend" and seemed to enjoy the session (orgasms and squirt). I wrote an article about it.
https://www.tuscl.net/?page=post&id=5080…
The second best was OTC with a 25 years old american stripper that was kind of new to the business, and after a few meetings ITC agreed to OTC, we would go to an hotel and would spend several hours together, cudle, kiss, make love (no condoms, because she was safe in my opinion), massage each other, she would seem to enjoy the experience (have a couple orgasms) sleep with her head on my chest, we would order food sometimes, some overnights, etc etc.
In third place was a American Pornstar that was also working at a strip club and I had dances with her a few times and then I asked her "out", we went to dinner to the Cheecake Factory, back to my place to have the girlfriend/pornstar experience.
All the other experiences I have had ITC and OTC have been OK to me, because I have adjusted my expectations accordingly to the situation/person/circumstances.
Prepare for the worst and hope for the best and you won be disappointed. Expect Nothing and Appreciate everything.
So to answer your question I prefer my favorite number one experience.

Agree with Shailyn

Also it depends on the time of day and circumstance. If its straight from the club late night, of course its dump n go. A date now, maybe we'll do more, spend more time.
Regular chick, well you already know her and what to expect. I don't believe in prolonging a P4P situation though. If she can't move to the regular friend column, see ya. I'm just interested in trying them out, not becoming her regular ATM.

Can vary but strong preference is aligned with Deuce, except my 5- 8 hours jaunts don't include overnight.

I combine dinner and FS at the same time - while I have her bent over doing her doggy I'll have an open pizza-box on her back

Straight to business, foreplay then sex.

-->"The second best was OTC with a 25 years old american stripper that was kind of new to the business, and after a few meetings ITC agreed to OTC, we would go to an hotel and would spend several hours together, cudle, kiss, make love (no condoms, because she was safe in my opinion), massage each other, she would seem to enjoy the experience (have a couple orgasms) sleep with her head on my chest, we would order food sometimes, some overnights, etc etc."

Now THAT is legit GFE, in my opinion . I think it's silly to call what most of us do with strippers -- getting sloppy drunk, strip clubs, mostly flirty sex talk, sex where it's nice if she enjoys it but in the end I don't care that much if she doesn't -- "GFE". It's nothing like what one does with a girlfriend, and calling it that makes me wonder if the writer has actually ever had a girlfriend for very long :) It's stripper experience, and awesome in its own right. I do also enjoy the overnight cuddling and the like, but that hardly makes it anything like a girlfriend

Some of you guys have an odd take on gfe. An SP (sex provider) offers you a hole to masturbate in. No kissing, no daty, maybe a bbbj but more likely a cbj. Usually takes care of business in 1/2 hr or under. When I use the term gfe it includes kissing, daty, mutual affection, even though it is faked. I am not looking for an actual girlfriend, or having delusions of a stripper deep and personal relationship. I am definitely looking for more than a SP though, if not the cost and difficulty of bedding strippers seems like a waste of time and resources.

@joc13. That doesn't surprise me, almost all my worst p4p have been in London, but that was way back when I paid less for it, didn't see English girls and didn't research.

sometimes i have the best times AFTER the encounter... a few more drinks in a club atmosphere.... although i don't enter the PLM zone.
this still soooo new to me. and maybe because i'm an old guy.
if i were younger.... ohhhhh shit. i'd be in big trouble...

justme: I, too, have enjoyed going back out with the girls after the encounter, to just get drunk together in the post-sex glow.