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6 years ago
Being a chump: it's who we are, what we do, and how we live
Chump 1: "How you livin', chump?"
Chump 2: "Chumpy!"
Chump 1: "Alriiiight!"
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6 years ago
SJG: I'm not sure I'm in agreement that that's "what it comes down to" :) lol ...
On the clubs you mention:
New Century Theater has sometimes attractive lineups on nightshift. But it's reputation among the local PLs is as a "Den of ROBs", where the girls brazenly ROB guys, and the bouncers and management appear in on it. The things PLs say about NCT are ... not good.
Little Darlings, Garden of Eden, and Roaring 20s: The times I've been to these clubs -- and I haven't gone very many times -- what I've seen are incredibly unattractive (think 3s and 4s), low-class, un-feminine, ghetto girls. Maybe you can have a wild time in these places, if the girls are to your taste, but I can't imagine the girls are to many guys' tastes... you'd have to pay me, a LOT, to touch any of the ones I've seen, and I'd need earplugs. And you'd need to poke my eyes out. I've met many attractive girls at Hustler, Gold Club, etc., who started at one of these clubs, but it's always the same story: I worked there for one (or two, or three) shifts, then switched. Any girl hot enough to work at any other club, seems to do so. Sal si puede, and all that
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6 years ago
The Nicole persona has taken over from Mtent on being the most puerile, vapid poster on the group. We finally ignored Mtent enough that whoever was behind that persona retired it, but guys continue responding to the Nicole because the troll behind it used a female name and pics?? Crazy man!
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6 years ago
On weekday afternoons:
Crazy Horse: some light extras, but no everyone offers them. The biggest crapshoot in the city -- you might run into a shift of horrible girls, you might run into a shift of okay looking girls but half of them are ROBs, you might go in and just find the right girl, and have an amazing time. If you sit at the stage, tip a few dollars each song, and most girls will give you a nude mini-lap right there.
Gold Club: best looking strippers in the city, day or night. Alcohol, topless on stage, light to medium contact only. If it's packed, turn right around and head to Hustler or Crazy Horse -- Gold Club's dayshift can get as busy as a nightshift, and the girls turn super hustlers on those days. If it's not too packed, and you enjoy low-touch alcohol clubs, this place can be super fun if you find the right girl.
Hustler: Basically, like Gold Club, only less so ... way fewer girls, fewer hot girls, fewer customers and MUCH slower hustle. If you like alcohol lower contact clubs, and you can find a girl you're attracted to at Hustler, it can be a pretty great, low-hustle experience.
As with any clubs anywhere, ask about OTC if you're interested.
Nightshift:
Condor: Not exactly low-hustle, but probably the lowest-hustle nightshift club. Many of the girls are alternative, but nowhere near all. If you're a low hustle, low-to-mid contact, alcohol club guy, this is the obvious choice
Crazy Horse: all the things I said about Crazy Horse apply, except that a lower percentage of the nightshift girls do extras, and there's more hustle and relatively more ROBs. But like dayshift, due to the contact levels that are attainable, if you do find an attractive non-ROB, this has the most potential for a really fun experience.
I haven't been to MBOT in a while so am avoiding a recommendation either way. I do not recommend *any* other clubs in the city, except the ones I mentioned, on the shifts I mentioned
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6 years ago
-->"many uneducated SC custies probably don't think/know sex can be had in a SC"
I'm sure that's true. That other thing is, even many educated PLs, don't seem to realize OTC is almost always available. Other than here on tuscl, all the local boards I've posted on, the vast majority of PLs didn't realize OTC was a thing, many ask "will I get thrown out for asking", "how do you ask?" etc
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6 years ago
It's an act of violence ... to my wallet. My wallet claims it's fine, but sometimes when I'm falling asleep, I hear it sobbing quietly on the nighstand.
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6 years ago
As I think more about this, the more I'm convinced is the central issue is: "is dick-in-hole time the only thing that matters?" (yes, I realize I'm risking creating a cringey SJG-like term). If it does, escorts can often be the best answer -- more of a sure thing, less flakiness, $300 (or whatever) gets you an hour of dick-in-hole time. If you actually enjoy being in strip clubs and count the time in the club getting lap dances, sitting at the rail, talking to strippers, etc., part of the value you're getting, then that all adds to ITC value. If you're not just looking for sticking your dick in any hole, but want to find a girl who perfectly matches your physical taste today, want access to girls who as a group are more attractive than escorts, plus her (fake) personality counts, that speaks strongly to ITC value. If you want SIGNIFICANTLY higher value than any escort could possibly hope to match, PLUS more attractive, etc., then there's no contest -- OTC. You just have to be willing to put up with uncertainty and flakiness.
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6 years ago
'course, that was for OTC, not ITC. I threatened to do a similar ITC analysis, but way to fucking lazy. But basically, I think, if you're the kind of guy who just wants to stick his dick in a hole for an hour, for the cheapest price if you ONLY measure dick-in-hole time. With a stripper, I'll usually get a FAR hotter girl, while my $300 might only last 20 minutes of dick-in-hole time, I've also spent a couple of hours getting dances, tipping at the rail, just sitting around talking with the girls, etc.
So, to a substantial extent, I see escorts winning if and only if you're in a "dick in hole time is all that counts, okay if it's a less attractive girl" mood (which I personally am never in); except it places where ITC is outrageous (like SF), if you care about a better looking girl, and count fun time being in the strip club as part of your benefit, it's an easy win, to me.
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6 years ago
Why I don't think there's any contest: https://www.tuscl.net/article.php?id=44731
TL;DR:
So, why OTC?
- My stripper is waaay hotter, I already know she matches my physical ideals
- I'm crazy about her psychologically, sexually, even before our first OTC
- She's unprofessional ... which means spending hours and even overnights without charging more. I can party with a girl I adore for hours and hours, and if she's feeling it, can do far more than we agreed to
In short, for a hotter girl, who turns me on more, the price is as much as 1/2 to 1/10th as I'd pay an escort for a comparable experience. The only advantage of an escort is: she will almost certainly show up, on time, and let you know if for some reason she's late or needs to cancel. Otherwise, escort will make you pay for every minute you're together (multi-hour sessions are unaffordable for the rare hot ones, much less overnights)
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6 years ago
"I don't work at a club...I don't do extras and I'm a man"
Two of those 3 claims are true
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6 years ago
While I think you're smart not to trust them, or any website really, I can tell you that early on, I made a second profile and paid for it for a month, to try out some different profile messages. Bizarrely, since I still think there was nothing wrong with that profile, it got suspended and deactivated -- SA refunded the fee to my credit card, and never charged it again. So, they might be dipshits, but not dishonest ones. They never told me what was wrong with that 2nd profile, there was no explicit mention of sex or PPM or anything else that sets off their sensors, from what i can tell, but there you go.
You could always just load up a Visa gift card and use that; or alternatively, nearly every credit card these days has a mechanism that lets you generate a one-time-only number, a feature that I use for many of my online purchases, and all my porn. You can use that, SA won't be able to charge the card again. Although I don't know SA's policy if they go to charge your card and it's blocked...
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6 years ago
Absolutely love it, and repeat as often as possible. That said, I'd never go on a multi-day trip with a stripper with whom I hadn't spent a good deal of time with, and know that we are compatible and I enjoy her company even while we're doing non-sexy activities... if you can get away with 200-500 a day, your budget-fu is better than mine :)
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6 years ago
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steeldog65I swear, it's just shrinkage due the cold
Typically won't make a huge difference on a girl that I am either definitely not interested in (where no outfit will change my mind), or a girl I'm way interested in (where nearly any outfit will get me calling her over)
That leaves the girls in the middle -- it's not a great shift and I have to choose among a few meh girls, say. There, outfits absolutely change my choices. Outfits that make her look like a street hooker (e.g., ribbons serpentining up her legs), too much clothes, a bottom that makes an already-marginal ass look extra flat (I still don't understand why meh-assed girls pick ass-flattening bottoms), and she's out. Pick an outfit that I like, and that flatters her body, and she's in
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6 years ago
Most, but not all, of the clubs around here ID scan for nightshift... luckily, I rarely SC nightshifts. I haven't tried it, but a number of guys have had luck just slipping the bouncer a $10 not to be scanned, at the smaller clubs; doesn't work at the bigger clubs. No ID scans at any of the clubs I go to on dayshift...
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6 years ago
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aham5I've got a bad feeling about this.
My one comment is to completely switch your PoV. As a PL, I find clubs like Saphire nothing but a complete and total waste. There's exactly one redeeming quality: lots of beautiful women. Everything else about the experience is complete shit: from the costs, to the fact that no one even hides that they treat you like a mark, to the 15% ATM fee, to the ... well, you get it.
So, don't go in with any expectation of an experience that would be remotely acceptable to a PL. Instead, go in with a "All the bros are out together and there are no wives and LETSORDERSHOTS Woooooooo!!!!". If you just go in to enjoy the beautiful women, hang with your bros, tip at the rail, and get a lapdance here and there -- and still pay an obscene amount just for that, because itsvegaswooohooo! -- you'll have fun. Just look out for the most obvious scams -- 15% charge on the ATM, any and all the rooms, credit cards, etc.
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6 years ago
I don't go up when she's on stage, I mind our table while she's up there. The only exception is if there are no PLs at all on stage, and she asks me to come up so she's not dancing to an empty stage. Then, a few dollars ($4-5) per song... I don't enjoy being up at the stage, so not tipping generously there, she'll be getting all my $ doing things that are fun for me
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6 years ago
Yep, zero interest in traveling dancers and will actively avoid them if I can identify them, although that isn't much of an issue anymore in this city. Used to be lots of traveling dancers years ago. I reckon traveling dancers are usually nightshift girls, looking at the non-PL nightshift crowd in most cases
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6 years ago
Many of the jeans the younger guys are wearing only come in slim or straight. I'm guessing most of us are relaxed.
Levi's and American Eagle usually; Silver when I'm feeling like a fancy boy or hanging out with strippers, etc
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6 years ago
Your best bet is just to google it, and witness the sexy, goofy magnificence of it all. It probably stands for "costume play" or something, but as far as I'm concerned, it stands for hot chicks in insanely hot outfits that vaguely resemble some well-known comic, cartoon, or other character, plus a bunch of male dorks who do it too
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6 years ago
-->"What if she has a tongue piercing and no gag reflex?"
In a weird way I envy you guys who just care about having a warm hole to stick your dick into, and very little standards otherwise. One of my favorite stories about a buddy of mine who was exactly that way: we're at a club and there's like 20 girls, but it's a weeeaaaak shift. My buddy looks at me and asks how many girls I'd fuck in this club. I look around, and say "two". He gets this serious look on his face and says, "I'd fuck every single one of these girls. Every one." He had more fun than I did that night.
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6 years ago
The thing I've learned from this thread is, just seeing the term "cosplayer" gets me a little excited. I have no idea how that happened, I'm not a comicon type of guy, and I'm not sure I've ever seen a hot cosplayer in real life. But man, someone posts a link to cosplayer pics, I'm getting a chubby even before I left click.
Chick is gorgeous. Hips too curvy for me, but at least not the cartoonish meat-diaper so many guys here are attracted to.
Bottom line: would.
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6 years ago
I don't want to come off like "internet badass", but these days I don't fuck anyone who doesn't make my heart beat a bit. I have to be attracted. I suppose, if I'm drunk, a 6.5 might be my basement. Any lower than that, I'd rather just jerk off and save my money until I can afford a 7.5+.
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6 years ago
Insubordination to the wrong high-up manager, too frequently drunk or on drugs, extras, stealing from or assaulting customers or other strippers, are some of the reasons I've heard frequently.
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6 years ago
Very few dancers live near me, they live in areas far to the north and east where it's more affordable. I once got tight with a dancer who lived with her parents in this area. Sometimes, she'd call me up and ask me to take her to lunch. Sometimes, she'd ask me if I'm going to the club, and if so, could she hitch a ride with me. I loved doing both. After she retired from stripping, she ended up one of my few lifetime-achievement FWB girls, so I guess that worked out :)
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6 years ago
-->"Even the strippers I'm not spending a nickel on aren't going to be thrilled about being pulled aside for a single dance or even two."
That's the one place we differ, Dolfan. None of "my" girls are going to risk losing me as a regular, by disappearing for 45 minutes. If you've been waiting two hours for her, and you send over the waitress, and she confirms it's ok with me, she'll usually do a couple of dances and then hustle back to me. If she's gone for 45 minutes, I guarantee there will be another girl in her seat when she tries to return