discussion comment
7 years ago
One other thing I lived most of my life in Texas, California, and Georgia and none of them compare to the East St. Louis area as far as extras at a reasonable price and the primary reason I chose to move to St. Louis because of the quality of the strip clubs on the east side.
discussion comment
7 years ago
At one time I traveled extensively in the US and Europe and for the price there is not a better place than Washington Park (East St. Louis). Yesterday I had sex at the dance stage at one club $90, at another I had 2 girls sucking my dick $75, and at another I had 3 girls jacking me off at the dance table and me kissing and fondling their pussies $170. Occasionally I've been ripped off but mostly I get what I want at reasonable prices. The only place I've had a better time is in Amsterdamn in the 90s before they implemented stricter rules.
discussion comment
8 years ago
I can understand your point of view, but there are times that I don't include the girls names of girls that I fear could get in trouble by their management. In fact I just posted a review yesterday where I felt I should not include their names because I was aware that their manager reads the TUSCL site as a way to know if his girls are doing things that could get the club in trouble. In this case I've known these girls for ten years and the things we did were definitely against the rules and could get them released. In the past I have usually mentioned the girls names but lately not so much.
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16 years ago
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Book GuyI write it like I mean it, but mostly they just want my money.
I was in Amsterdam back in 1996 and 2000 before the major sex clubs were shut down over the past 2 years. The sex club is where we paid about $70 and that included 2-3 drinks and then there was basically an orgy party where everyone had sex in the same room. Most of the women there were paid by the establishment and then there were local women who wanted sex. Some ladies wanted to get gang banged which I had no stomach for. So it really just depended on how much stamina you had - could you go 1, 2, or 3 times.
I looked for some of internet sites that used to cover the sex clubs and they are no longer. It appears that many of these clubs (which were not located in Red Light District) have been forced to close. The Red Light District seemed so boring compared to these clubs.
I much prefer the sex night life here in St. Louis (east side) over what exists now in Amsterdam
discussion comment
16 years ago
My wonder girl was not able to pay her tip out twice last week. It occurred only 4 or 5 times all of last year. There are now more girls in the club grabbing for fewer dollars. She along with a few girls from the club went to work a convention 350 miles away which usually nets them $3-5K over 4-5 days. They all came home early because there were few attendees and those that came left their wallets at home.
I went to the club Saturday because I hadn't heard from my girl for a few days and went to see what was up. While I was there I got approached from a number of dancers who said your girl friend isn't here but will you do a private with me and I won't tell. They already know I only do privates with her. I didn't do any privates, but I did spend some dollars at the stage and the girls were very appreciative of the dollars. I know one dancer who has 2 children and I gave her $20 just for talking because she hadn't made a dime all day.
It is a bad situation because as I get to know some of these girls very personnally I almost feel this support obligation. I guess since I don't have a wife, spending money here makes me feel like I'm giving money to a charity. My wonder girl called me tonight and so we're getting together at her place tomorrow just so she can make a few dollars which I am more than happy to help out with. Its going to get worse before it gets better.
discussion comment
16 years ago
My experience says its very high here in E St. Louis. I only know 4 girls well enough to have them confide in me. 3 of 4 have experienced extreme physical abuse. The one that continues in the relationship is a white girl with a black boyfriend. Wy wonder girl had her front teeth knocked out by her first and only husband. He is 6'6" 280 lbs and would beat the shit out of her.
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16 years ago
Someyoung - I sent you a message with a few more details.
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16 years ago
Holly - taken from the movie Breakfast at Tiffany's. I've know some nice Nicki's (3 of my 5 best were named Nicki)
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16 years ago
My girl says she loves her job and she will be 42 next month. I think for the most part she really likes it. When I'm at the stage doing DATY with here she often says how much she hates her job and then laughs. If she doesn't like it then she is also a great actress. Some of the guys though that come to the stage can look pretty gross with definite hygiene issues that make's the job very undesirable at times.
I think a lot of girls are trapped into it and aren't happy. I think there is a higher percent of content women who are dancers only, but those that offer all the extras and high mileage then the percent of unhappy girls likely goes up exponentially.
I just imagine being in their shoes and having to do the things they do and if you take 85% of the women out there and have to do those things with them that we have done to us, I would be totally disgusted. I know for sure I wouldn't be able to get it up with average grocery store woman (45-60 years old) and if you add a hygiene issue then it would be a bad situation much of the time. yuck.
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16 years ago
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Book GuyI write it like I mean it, but mostly they just want my money.
I think there is a lot of fraud in some of the sites like adult finder and fling and the like. You ask certain questions on these sites and the answers have no connection to what was asked. You set up a meeting with a woman and suddenly she's in a car wreck and can't make it and then you find her same profile in a completely different city. Chemistry and PlentyOfFish (POF) are legit but its a lot of work to find someone interesting. I use POF for the weekly socials at bars (for us older guys) and meet some people that way. I met one woman who said she had a few extra lbs, but turned out she had about 200 extra lbs.
If your objective ia a "real girlfriend" then your two best options right now are either school related functions or one of these large mega churches that have a lot of socials for young people. These are places you can actually talk to someone and see if there is any chemistry there. If you want sex within the first two weeks then trash the church option.
For casual relationships with sex, but not a real girl friend finder, the bar scene in most large cities is your best option. There are a ton of 20 year old women at the bars right now and if you know how to dance it is a real gold mine for women that are looking for a quick hookup. There are also a fair number of 30 year olds at the bars looking for young studs just for the sex. They get turned off by the young conversation, but really like the sex.
Finally, if you are desperate like me I can set you up with women who will say they are your real girl friend but in truth they are not. They are very friendly and will have you believe that you are the only guy in town while you are with them. Even though it may cost you $100-200 per visit, it is the low cost girl friend option and will last as long as you have the cash. The trade in terms for a new girl friend are also very reasonable.
discussion comment
16 years ago
Here in E St. Louis there are a number of dancers who have golf days, but this is just them setting it up with customers. One of them told me all that goes on for about $400 and it sounded like a lot of fun. All putts were assisted by long legged women protecting errant shots from going past the hole and those that got just short of the hole a tongue was used to finish the job. Don't think any club here will put their name out there to sponsor an event like this - too much risk. But you can have a great time without a club sponsoring the event.
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16 years ago
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Book GuyI write it like I mean it, but mostly they just want my money.
Now that was mean. The links from the video got me sidetracked on to porn for an hour that I didn't want to spend.
discussion comment
16 years ago
Are these clubs open at night also?
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16 years ago
I just had a two fer at my favorite club with my 2 favorite girls. One of them I do OTC regularly and the other is her friend. Friday I was doing DATY on both of them at the stage.
I was the only one at the stage and I think since they know me they were doing it just to get some other customers to come to the stage. They invited me to do a threesome OTC in the next couple of weeks. Should be fun
Generally speaking though if I walked into a new club and got a two fer I would bet it would not be too good.
discussion comment
16 years ago
If we actually had a nice dinner then its on a different level for me than just sex and I can see spending the night together - just like any other sexy woman. If I only had sex with the woman most likely I just want to get out.
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16 years ago
Shadow - I think your assessment is pretty accurate. After posting this I thought I probably wouldn't have this type of experience in a club that I didn't go to frequently. I should do a little more exploring at some other clubs to test this theory out, but my play cash is also suffering some in this economy to not go to a sure thing.
Chitown - I live in the area and would be happy to give you any details that will aid you in your quest for new experiences. Just send me an email. I appreciated your info on Dollies because I know that club very well.
discussion comment
16 years ago
She must first pass the wiff test and you get that at the stage. If that passes with flying colors and then determine the quality of your own erection, because she can be so so in the face and have all the other tools to make it a good experience. Finally as Brother indicated see if she will do the things that you like. If it's only about the Kitty and nothing else is working then I think you should pass, however I am going to personnaly test this theory next week when I meet with a girl that it's only about the kitty, but this one is free. I am going to test out if I like it enough to endure certain issues would I be willing to pay for it if needed to. I'll keep you posted.
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16 years ago
Brother - just checked out your last review for the Blue Diamond so now I understand the 3 something thing. Keep us posted.
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16 years ago
There you go again Brother, getting freaky. I like your style. How did you get this set up. Was this just casual club conversation and how many females in the threesome. Now I have to know the rest of the story. Brother you've got it going .
discussion comment
16 years ago
Very scary indeed since this is my local neighborhood (so to speak). I was at Dollies last week, but I only go during the day, but still wow! I’m a semi regular at Dollies and always felt it wouldn’t be good to go there at night.
Three weeks ago we had another very serious attack here in E. St. Louis at City Nights. I met the guy that was attacked in which he was shot 3 times and should have died, but did survive. He was attacked at 7:30 PM which is too close for day time for me. He is a well thought of partner of a local accounting firm. Not sure if robbery was a motive there since he still had his wallet and all his money. They now have a very visible fulltime security guy outside that club.
Yes sir ree it's only days for me.
discussion comment
16 years ago
My first SC experience was in 85 in D.C. and there a dancer spread her legs and offered eating privileges. It scared the shit out of me and so I passed.
I began clubbing in earnest in 87 and essentially missed the air time only era. In 87 I went to Mitchell Bros in San Fran and they had the famous couch dances and the main attraction was the dancer would stand over you and put her pussy 1/4 inch from your lips, but some would do the accidently on purpose bump on the lips and nose and then slide down on and hump you until you came (in those days I lasted only 30 seconds and so for $20 it seemed a bit pricy).
In 88 I began traveling to St. Louis and on the Illinois side I would go to the Red Garter where there was open DATY and HJ until you came. I always left satisfied. In fact it was many years before I would even venture to the VIP or private areas because the Red Garter provided everything in the main area for less than $30.
Today you can at times get the same open type experiences here in St. Louis but they are not as open about it and certain conditions need to exist. There has been a little bit more of tightening the rules generally speaking. Yesterday for example at my favorite club my favorite dancer moved her thong panty aside while I pleasured her in licking her pussy and butt hole with my tongue for about 30 seconds. This was done just to entertain and get a reaction from others sitting at the bar. It tends to pick up her private jobs when we do those sort of things in public. As for me, I get a good hard on but its only a tease.
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16 years ago
55/ 21. Wish I would have known about it earlier. My first was at Mitchell Bros. in San Fran. Around that same time I had to fly to St. Louis every month and quickly got introduced to E. St. Louis Ill and have been hopelessly addicted ever since. I don't want to go anymore... I don't want to go anymore. I'm going to be strong and not go to any clubs today.
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16 years ago
The Red Garter in East St. Louis burned down on July 17, 1996 at 2:23 am and it took my heart with it. It was a rat hole of a place and your life felt threatened in parking there, but it was non-stop DATY and BBJ at the stages with a few surprisingly good looking girls. Never spent more than $40 (1-2 hours) and always left full.
The Chameleon Club in Washington Park burned down this summer. As a whole not nearly as good as the Red Garter, but it definitly had its moments of extreme pleasure. It deserved to burn because it was actually a very bad place during its last couple of months in business.
We've had a couple of other clubs catch fire this year as well. At the rate that some of these clubs are burning down that might be a good business to be in.
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16 years ago
Brother - we will have to make it happen. I didn't realize Columbus was hot, but you have opened my eyes. I'll have to come up there to catch a football game. Sorry to say that the strip clubs are the only thing worth catching here in St. Louis.
discussion comment
16 years ago
I had to come back to this one because of a comment made by Brother I realized I didn't mention my most erotic stage experience. For me the most erotic experiences occur in public situations where there are a lot of people and unexpected spontaneous events occur. When I go back to the private area it isn’t an erotic experience for me because I pretty much know what is going to happen – not too many variations.
So my most erotic stage experience occurred earlier this year when I sat at a table close to the stage and one of my favorites (she’s 41) was dancing when a few young construction workers (early 20’s) came in and sat at her stage. She encouraged one worker to eat her pussy while all the time she was looking at me smiling. She let on that she was really enjoying it as our eyes were locked in with one another while she was going this. These young guys were going crazy when she went to the next guy and did the same thing. She motioned for me to come sit at the stage. My dick was plenty hard at that point and she jumped down on it (what was actually occurring was not visible to others at the stage). She then informed another guy at the stage that I was fucking her. She talked about how good it felt to him. She asked this guy if he would like to fuck her. She got up and went over to this young kid and he got scared and left the table. Anyway it was one of my most erotic stage dances.